Ok, I'm new to this thread so I have a few question here. I don't understand why people are running 1 IOK. Im sure theres a good reason. Someone just needs to tell me what it is. Why not Liliana Vess over Elspeth? Also, why no Jitte. Jitter just seams to good no to play here.
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IoK shouldn't be viewed as IoK #1, but rather as Thoughtseize #5. It gives you effectively 5 turn discard spells to play, which is really important. Elspeth makes all of your guys bigger and flying (important as Legacy doesn't have that many good maindeck flyers outside of Clique and Tombstalker) and also can just win games all by herself, and protects herself too. Elspeth costing 4 mana instead of Liliana's 5 is huge. On top of that, none of Liliana's abilities are relevant when you're running Top + Bob, as card quality/draw/dig shouldn't really be an issue.
Jitte is played maindeck because it can just dominate boards. I'd probably run it in a build running 14-16 creatures instead of the standard 12, but I don't think it's terrible.
Without Moxen, the 4th Top seems very nice. I'm running the extra land in its place (which has been good against Stifle/Wasteland shenanigans). The extra discard is great, especially against combo. I'm running Path in his IoK slot, but I'm seeing a bit more creature stuff right now. I'll try both.
@ Multiple threads
Unnecessary. I don't hate on other versions of the deck. Plus, all versions have been doing well, and I don't think there'd be enough activity on 5 threads to keep them all alive.
@ Jitte
Jitte is fine, but maybe in the board as a 2-of. In the main, I'd say two would be better, especially without Stoneforge. I'm a fan of Elspeth, though.
@ Budget list
I'll comment more after a Chem exam tomorrow. Plus, I'm trying out a new list that's been wrecking some face. It's really off the charts, but I'm afraid some of you will resent the changes I've made. Prepare for a decent decklist tomorrow night, though.
-Matt
I feel like his 1 Bojuka Bog should be SB and replaced by a Maze.
No, if you've got one Maze main, another in the board is meh. Bog is better.
-Matt
This is right. Though killing Jitte's is a big bonus, Only 12 dudes + Jitte is a just weird. I have had alot of success with Maze, I love that card, it is just cheats with Kotr. I agree, bog should be in the SB. Double Maze MD is useless though. I'd just play another fetch. I hate CIPT lands. Bog is way too slow against dredge and Karakas is a better out against reanimator's legends.Originally Posted by Arsenal
I have cut down my GSZ numbers and the dryad arbor. The mana it makes is not suitable for this deck since it can't cast hymm. GSZ is much better in a 2 colour deck or a deck that wants to power out Natural Order. I am currently Favoring the Inquisition of Kozilek lists with the 4th Top and no moxes.
He isn't playing any Maze in the 75, hence my concern.
I run 1 bog 1 maze and 1 karakas main as my utility land package for knight....In my opinion I love bog main....Its 1 land in the deck that CITPT....you can play around it early or pitch it to mox if its not needed....There are just way to many uses for it main...Its boss against dredge if you open with it...you usually win, If you stick an early knight you usually win....It can hit a graveyard and keep your oppnent off of tombstalker or ghastly demise....You can win knight wars you can block and shrink a theyre knight....It keeps goblins from any chance of a bidding if they play any...The current meta has so many uses for bog...I find more the longer I run it....
So I want to play this deck. What list do you guys think is better? This list came in 2nd at a 100 man tournament this past weekend that I was at. What do you think of this list?
4 Goyf
4 Bob
4 Knight
4 Hymn
4 thoughtseize
4 vindicate
4 swords
3 mox
3 top
1 elspeth
1 E.E.
1 IoK
3 bayou
3 scrubland
4 wasteland
1 canopy
1 maze
4 marsh flats
4 catacombs
2 swamp
1 plains
S/b
1 bojuka
1 Karakas
2 deed
2 duress
2 edict
3 grip
4 plague
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Looks like a pretty standard Mox list. Not really sure what sets it apart from other Mox lists; Mox lists generally have about 2-3 flex spots, where that guy is playing IoK, EE, and Elspeth. Those 3 cards can be almost anything you want.
I can't seam to find a no mox list. Maybe someone can post one or just tell me whats in the mox spot
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I got 7th place in that same tournament with almost an identical maindeck. The only difference was -1 es +1 karakas. I'm a big fan of this version of the deck
What are the bad match ups? Btw nice job Jon. I watched a few of your games
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sdematt pointed out this non-Mox list a page back: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=37281
In place of Mox, this pilot chose to have more 1cc turn 1 plays in the form of 4 Tops and going up to 2 IoK (combined with 4 Thoughtseize and 4 StP is 14 total turn 1 plays that all are pretty badass).
In the end, it really boils down to your feelings about Mox Diamond. Some players swear by it as it sometimes allows your powerful 2cc spells to be played on turn 1, mana fixes, dodges Wasteland, and pumps your Knight/Goyf. Others dislike it due to inconsistency issues (opening hand of Wasteland, Mox, Plains can be awkward), being a horrible topdeck, and the thought that our curve is enough to manage the game (no need to mana accel as our turn 1 plays should be buff).
Went to a tournament tonight, and obviously took it down playing a new list. It's pretty Deadguy, but I don't know anyone in there, so I'll share it in both.
The list:
4 Wasteland
4 Marsh Flats
2 Polluted Delta
1 Plains
4 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Scrubland
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Umezawa's jitte
1 SoFI
3 Vampire Nighthawk
3 Abyssal Persecutor
4 Dark Confidant
4 Phyrexian Revoker
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Diabolic Edict
2 Top
2 Cabal Therapy
3 Thoughtseize
1 IoK
4 Hymn to Tourach
3 Dark Ritual
Sideboard:
4 Engineered Plague
1 Retribution of the Meek
3 Tariff
2 Perish
3 Duress
2 Serenity
Round 1: Dave with Merfolk
Game 1:
A newcomer to Legacy, Dave was playing Merfolk. I get stuck on two lands, he lands Lord, Jitte, Reejery, Reejery. I die.
Board in: 4 Plague, Out: 1 Hymn, 1 Revoker, 1 Thoughtseize, 1 Random
Game 2:
A little different story. I grind him out with Revoker on Vial, then push with heavy discard and run out a Vampire Nighthawk with Jitte. I get there. Nighthawk is SO freaking good here.
Game 3:
I open a hand of Marsh Flats, Swamp, 2 Dark Ritual, Vampire Nighthawk, 2 Abyssal Persecutor. I run out T1 Nighthawk with T2 Persecutor. He dies shortly.
Score: 2-1 in games, 1-0 in matches
Round 2: Matt with Merfolk
Game 1:
He mulls to five, but I get stuck on two lands with all three drops. I scoop to save time after he triple Standstills.
In: 4 Plague, Out: some discard
Game 2:
I ritual into T1 Engineered Plague. He doesn't have Force, but shows me the Daze without the Island down. I get there by discarding his Lords and beating face.
Game 3:
I wreck him with another T1 Plague, but he fights through it. It gets to about turn 15 when I've finally got complete control with a singleton Nighthawk online. He Echoing Truths my Plague, then spits out Lords and other goodies with Force backup. I reply back with Swords of Fire and Ice, Jitte, and Plague from my hand. He can't counter them all, Nighthawk gets there so hard.
Score: 4-2 in games, 2-0 record.
Round 3: Chad with the mirror
The reason I built this was I helped a friend get into Legacy after 15+ years out of the game. This deck was cheap enough to build, and fun to play. His list was my list with no Stoneforges, but Vindicates and Innocent Bloods.
Game 1:
The mirror here is absolutely horrible. We play a 50 minute game of lay a threat, RFG it. It comes down to a Top war, but I basically run out of cards. Literally, I basically died by milling. Ugh.
Game 2: I quickly get there, but he decides to give me the 2-0 so I can crush the finals if I cut him into the prize. Seems good, so I do that. No boarding here.
Round 4: Mani with R/B Painter (Caleb's list)
We decide to draw it, but I forget to ask what he's playing before we draw. I decide to take the draw but we play it out. suffice to say, I fucked his shit up.
Game 1:
He lays a Grindstone early on, but I hit him with heavy discard. The first game was T1 Ritual into Hymn and Top, hitting his Painter and Intuition. I lay a T2 Revoker on Grindstone. He can't counter, and tries to slow roll with Welder. I Edict it, and lay Confidant which is countered. I try Nighthawk, he forces again. I land another threat and he scoops.
I ask him while sideboarding how the Emrakul plan works out, and he says pretty good. I board in Tariffs, Retribution, and Serenity.
Board in: 1 Retribution of the Meek, 3 Tariff, 3 Duress. Out: Abyssal Persecutor, useless cards. At this point, I was threat light with all answers.
Game 2:
He tries to slow roll the Grindstone again, but I Revoker him. He switches to the Show and Tell plan to try and blow me out. He Intuitions for 3 SnT, I Top draw another land for the lols. I'm holding a Tariff and 2 Serenity. I Tariff it away to the crowd's "WTF?" statements, and pay for my Revoker. Afterwards, I try to push, but he counters many threats with Painter on blue and pitching lands to Force. He goes for 3 Emrakuls with another Intuition, making his new Welder useless. I Tariff away the second Emrakul and proceed to lay fat Nighthawk beats.
I receive $25 store credit for my efforts, and buy most of the deck which I was borrowing :)
Record: 8-2 games, 4-0 rounds
Props: Equipment, and Tariff was a fucking champ.
Slops: Not bringing most of my cards, and the store selling me a Beta dual.
All in all, a good day :)
-Matt
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Neither of you two played Deed main. Why is this? It's awfully good, especially with Affinity on the rise again.
Hi guys I need your help on deciding something. I'll be going to a T2 tournament this Sunday and I know there will be lots of people there selling cards. So I'm planning on getting some stuff for my rock deck if I can. I have about $70 that I can spend and would like some suggestion on what the best cards would be to get. Here is what my current list looks like:
1 Twilight Mire
3 Treetop Village
3 Marsh Flats
1 Windswept Heath
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Brushland
1 Godless Shrine
1 Overgrown Tomb
2 Tainted Field
2 Tainted Wood
4 Swamp
1 Forest
2 Plains
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Hymn to Tourach
2 Crime/Punishment
4 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Pernicious Deed
2 Phyrexian Arena
1 Elspheth, Knight-Errant
4 Wall of Blossoms
3 Eternal Witness
4 Knight of the Reliquary
SB:
4 Enginnered Plague
2 Choke
2 Diabolic Edict
3 Duress
2 Dueling Grounds
2 Enlightened Tutor
I would like it to remain as a control rock deck. Some things I was thinking of are some more Windswept Heaths, an Eternal Witness and maybe some Sensei's Divinating Tops. Any suggestions?
Mox builds typically don't play Deed for obvious reasons. It may play EE instead, but that's really a flex/meta slot to tinker with, so there's no definitive inclusion warranted for it. Non-Mox builds though? Deed is pretty boss.
Brad Nelson's list played Mox and Deed, but that's just crazy talk :P
I will play Deed in this deck, always and forever, just to watch Affinity cry.
-Matt
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