i think that 1 grim tutor is the way to go 1 more business and it's cute and expensive
Man, that is an old-school list. Looks like ANT from like 3 years ago. Cool to see people still playing what they love (even if I can't get behind the choices...).Originally Posted by Asthereal
It seems like that list might have trouble getting thresh consistently by turn 3 with the Burning Wishes and Chrome Moxen and no free cantrips. What's your take on that?
To people playing Carpet - I'm very confused by its inclusion. What do you board out to bring in Carpet? What does it actually help you accomplish, and where do you bring it in?
Just from watching ANT on feature matches, I've seen it sit on the board and make 4 mana while the player is desperately trying to do anything but make land drops, and I've also seen it in play against thresh where it made like 1 or 2 irrelevant mana. Like...isn't ANT already good at making lots of mana between Cabal Ritual and 15 lands?
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I board in Carpet of Flowers against most blue matchups like Stoneblade, RUG and so on.
I do not use it against fast blue decks like Reanimator or SnT (Xantid Swarm would be good here ^^)
It mainly makes your time a lot easier against taxing counters. You drop in in the early turns and in your combo turn you will have enough mana to pay for their counters.
It can also be used like rainbow rituals, playing them in mainphase 1 and switching directly to mainphase 2 to get the mana. Because of this I usually take out 1 or 2 Cabal Ritual and 1 other card for my Carpet of Flowers.
Carpet of Flowers also serves as unwasteable rainbow mana. Just deal with their hardcounters and you are good to go ;)
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I've fiddled between Carpet and Xantid. It usually depends on what you expect. I usually go with Xantid because we really do need a silence effect against Leylines/Griselbrand and I only really want Carpet against RUG. As for Bob in the Sb, I have had it before but realized you don't want to play that game. Against jund, they will still have Lilianas. You also don't want to dilute your deck. Here is my SB:
4x Abrupt Decay
3x Xantid Swarm
3x Slaughter Pact
2x Chain of Vapor
1x Tropical Island
1x Karakas
1x Tendrils of Agony
I hate boarding in abrupt decay against non CB decks because it is so horrendous with Ad Nausem and against Wasteland. You usually are against GY hate post board so Pact makes your Ad Nausems stronger. I've also considered 1x Empty in the side but havn't got around to actually testing it.
@Phazon: I just don't get a list with Probes to work like I want it to. So I decided to run a list that works more smoothely, though it's probably suboptimal. You know, a list is only as good as the pilot can get it to be, and I seem to mess up every time I play a list with Probes, so the cut seemed logical. At least, according to Spock.
I had no real issues in getting Threshold on turn 3. One time my first Cabal Ritual was unthreshed, but my second was threshed. And once I wanted to go off and use Chain of Vapor as a Storm engine, which would bounce my Petal, sac a land and then bounce my LED, but when I cast my LED my opponent countered it with FoW. So no chance to use Chain of Vapor to fill up my yard with both it and the land I would sac. That was the weird match against EsperBlade by the way. He made some odd choices. Of course going off at that moment was wrong in retrospect since he had a FoW plus a blue card, but he had already burned a FoW by then, so I thought I should give it a shot.
An opponent at the Sunday IQ kept a hand of fetch, Ponder, Force, Sneak Attack, Griselbrand, and Leyline of Sanctity x2 on the play. Needless to say, I won on turn 3 thanks to double Xantid Swarm.
I think it's actually NEEDFUL for you to say how you did it. Double chain or goblins?
This thread drives me crazy. There is almost no useful information here. Just fanboys arguing over which storm deck is better. Or whether Burning Wish is good in ANT.
Get this... Both decks have pros and cons. Get over it.
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That's what happens when a deck has so few customizable slots and everything has already been talked through. It is not like we are expecting M14 or Theros to really change what cards we are going to use.
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Honestly, what useful information are you looking for? No one gets good at storm by listening to randos on the internet jawbone about their favorite build; they have to learn by experience. The biggest change in 2 years was Past in Flames...as a more efficient IGG. A year before that it was Probe...as a more efficient Thoughtseize. This year it's Abrupt Decay...as a more efficient Wipe Away. The deck doesn't fundamentally change. And clearly it's still possible to do well without new tech - Asthereal and others will advocate for that. So again, what do you want us to be talking about in here other than arguing for marginal differences between decks?
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Tournament reports, SB'ing suggestions, interesting or difficult scenarios you've come across and what lines of play you chose and actual reasons behind deck decisions. Civil conversation would be neat too!
He Forced my turn 1 Swarm, so I resolved another one on turn 2, and I made 18 Goblins on turn 3. His turn 2 land that he topdecked was an Ancient Tomb, so that made the 18 gobos enough to kill in one swing if he ever activated the land. I boarded in my 1 Echoing Truth for situations like this though, but my hand wasn't nearly powerful enough to find the bounce spell and PiF kill him that turn.
I think it's fine for people to debate Burning Wish in this thread. I mean isn't the point of discussion to come up with an optimal list? Jay, you were the most vocal about wanting to debate Burning Wish from the beginning, and you said people are "idiots" if they don't play Ad Nauseam in this deck.
What is the merfolk matchup like without red for Pyroblasts? I understand you have A. Decay, but I find it hard to believe that the match up is a favorable matchup. I know that Swarms are decent against merrow as was spoken about earlier in the thread, but between their crazy critter base and them being even a moderately competent player in the form of knowing what to counter (tutors, Swarms/Carpets, PiF, AN, etc.), it seems pretty scary. Looking for advice on how to play against it apparently.
-ABC
Against Merfolk it plays out like that:
- Do I have Swarm? Resolve that and you're golden.
or
- Do I have enough (fast) mana to pay for taxing counters? If yes you're golden.
Usually they have only FoW as real counters and basically no removal for your Swarm. So you "just" have to create tons of mana to pay for the taxing counters before they kill you with their fish...
Abrupt Decay (and Pyroblast) are kinda bad as you don't want to expose yourself to Wasteland if you don't have to.
So if you're playing green I'd only board in Xantid Swarm (and Carpet of Flowers), no Decay, no blast.
BTW has anybody time and experience enough to write a proper primer?
I've often wondered myself what kind of Merfolk match up we have. (Un)fortunately(?) there are no Merfolk players in my local meta whatsoever so I haven't had a chance to test it. I would imagine in it's in the medium-to-hard bracket due to a very fast clock when completely undisrupted combined with a lot of main deck counterspells.
On another note I'd like to report my latest tournament experiences:
Having picked up ANT roughly two months ago I'm still in my infancy as a pilot of the deck, but I have been getting the hang of things recently at least to a point where I'm no longer making glaring errors (or so I hope ;)). I've exclusively been playing a list with Burning Wish, but yesterday I had prepared a deck without Burning Wish, more in the UB Adam Prosak vein. I started playing some test games against a friend of mine playing BG Pox. Already there I felt uneasy as soon as Deathrite Shaman hit the board and I was looking at my hand with my single win con Tendril's of Agony that I had topdecked into on turn 3. Certainly not an unwinnable situation at all, but the DRS just made my Tendrils awkward, as a single discard spell and subsequent DRS activation would end my game on the spot unless I could find a brainstorm to hide it / shuffle it away.
During the actual tournament I ran into similar situations where it just felt incredibly vulnerable and unflexible without the Burning Wishes. I'm hesitant to pass judgement on the actual functional merits of either deck, but suffice to say it definitely suits my style of play and my temperament as a player to play a version of ANT that runs Burning Wish.
Having said all that I'd like to hear what people think about the following sideboard:
2x Xantid Swarm
2x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Virtue's Ruin
1x Duress
2x Abrupt Decay
3x Chain of Vapor
1x Diminishing Returns
1x Empty the Warrens
1x Tendrils of Agony
1x Past in Flames
I've opted to drop Ill-Gotten Gains as I asked myself how often I've ever played it and the answer was disturbingly close to nil. Maybe I'm just not skilled enough to be playing it, but it just often seems completely irrelevant when an opponent has counter magic in his yard, which is a frequent occurance ;)
The two Sensei's Divining Tops used to be Carpet of Flowers, but I just feel that I already have the two swarms for fighting decks with islands in them (two different approaches, I know), and the top is just a bloody amazing Card when facing discard.
These four should suffice:
Adam Prosak: Legacy Storm Primer.
Timo Schünemann: The Legacy Laser - UBR Ad Nauseam Tendrils.
Carsten Kotter: Eternal Europe - The Cabal Rises.
Ari Lax: Legacy Storm Primer (a bit outdated, but still very well written, thorough, and relevant).
I learned Storm with this artikel, too and all of them are Great. Mention that the only List playing burning wish is Schünemann's and he swiches to 16 cantrips and 4 infernal Since abrupt decay is legal.
(shhhh... Dont Play wish ;))
I solved the 5th Business spell and Grim tutor is a Bad Card - Problem
By playing Empty MD. You Board it in against Rug and Bug, wich are Not your best matchups, so having it Main can only help.
what is ad nauseam? baby don't hurt me, no more
it remains the question what value EtW has if you have to cast 2 turns of cantrips to find it and still Need to generate the 3R. This deck cannot dump a T1/2 EtW like it's brother and so I asume EtW is too slow as a threat and if it's expectable to infernal for it, isn't PIF the superior choice as a Tutor Target in like 90% of all cases?
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