Commander 2013 discussion

[apple713]

I'm predicting Supreme Verdict, Terminus, and Wrath of God to be en vogue throughout the next year.

liliana of the veil, pernicious deed, massacre, infest, engineered plague, moat, ensnaring bridge... none of these are regularly seen in the top 8 decks of legacy tournaments. Supreme verdit and terminus are really the only answers that are currently being utilized. Liliana has the potential to remove this if they dont have another creature in play.

This guy is better than every white protection card ever printed. It's like printing the best counterspell ever in White thanks to stuff like Lapse of Certainty and Frontline Medic. I'm sure everyone would be thrilled about that. The most disgusting thing is, decks like D&T have been waiting for cards like this for years. You know, in the color where it makes sense.

I mean look at Paladin En-Vec, who is supposed to be "strong" for a white protection creature at 1WW. This guy is so far ahead of Paladin En-Vec he isn't in the same universe.

i guess the card that we should expect to be printed is "W : choose a player. if that player controls a spell on the stack remove that spell from the stack and exile the card."

I think this card is beyond stupid, but then I have the same opinion on Delver of Secrets and Deathrite Shaman. Stupid or not, it looks to be stupidly effective and I now need to preorder some of these. At least it'll be affordable while its in print thanks to it being part of a special release. I do hope it's the card that breathes some life back into Stoneblade variants because I miss that deck.

this is along the same lines of delver and DRS.

Magic has evolved over the years. The initial concept of each color still exists sure buts things have changed for better or worse.. kinda like democrats and republicans. Point is im pretty sure the guys with rights to the IP of MTG determine what slice belongs in which pie.. roll with it.

The problem with nemesis identity is when creatures like this are printed, along with already existing creatures like delver of secrets, you continue to add cards that do not belong in the color pie to that color. Over time maybe in the next 2 years, regardless of the type of deck you want to play, combo, control, or aggro, you play blue. That should never be the case because then everything that isnt blue is playing red elemental blast...

blue should absolutely not get the best aggro creatures. They should however get creatures with abilities because blue is about trickery and subtle utility.

I guess i should stock up on Llawan, Cephalid Empress <-- main deck?!?

[Kayradis]

Helene Bergeot stated it : They are not supporting Legacy (not in those exact words but you know what I mean).
They don't care about the format.
They care about...
Hmm...
Well....
Money?

Next year? My Little Pony & MTG crossover.
You heard it here first.

[Lemnear]

Gabe, don't steal my pony troll pic I used here before

[Kayradis]

"What has been seen cannot be unseen!"

LOL

Should have put Copyright Lemnear next to it.

[rufus]

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The problem with nemesis identity is when creatures like this are printed, along with already existing creatures like delver of secrets, you continue to add cards that do not belong in the color pie to that color. Over time maybe in the next 2 years, regardless of the type of deck you want to play, combo, control, or aggro, you play blue. That should never be the case because then everything that isnt blue is playing red elemental blast...
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That or the new non-targeting Switcheroo they just added.

[Esper3k]

If Identity Nemesis makes a significant impact, I think we'll see an uptick in Jund, which already has tools to deal with him (Liliana, Golgari Charm being two of the more major answers).

[ReAnimator]

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=550076
There is a picture in the thread.

Restore
1G sorcery
Put target land card in a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.

So this looks interesting.
Can get any land from any graveyard.
Use it as an Untapped Rampant Growth in the early game, re-buying a fetch or some such, or just grab an extra wasteland.

[Dice_Box]

Or grab the other guys wasteland and hit him with it. I mean in elves we don't run Wasteland to this is cool. The other use could be to grab something nuts like Cradle back... I like.

[Lemnear]

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=550076
There is a picture in the thread.

Restore
1G sorcery
Put target land card in a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.

So this looks interesting.
Can get any land from any graveyard.
Use it as an Untapped Rampant Growth in the early game, re-buying a fetch or some such, or just grab an extra wasteland.

Nice design ... A 2-mana Sinkhole if anyone has a waste in their gy

[TsumiBand]

That land sucks. some people really like Shimmering Grotto or whatever it's called, but I can't stand stuff that makes me pay for mana fixing. Unless it's like Cabal Coffers or Nykthos or something. In EDH, naturally.

Might be cool with that Zombie that keeps its counters when it changes zones, I guess. And being able to turn a 6/6 into a 7/7 or more is kind of cool, that's a whole turn off the command damage win.

Okay maybe it's all right.

Edit - Restore is badass. Fetchlands, cycling lands, etc, hells yeah.

[UnderwaterGuy]

That land sucks. some people really like Shimmering Grotto or whatever it's called, but I can't stand stuff that makes me pay for mana fixing. Unless it's like Cabal Coffers or Nykthos or something. In EDH, naturally.

Might be cool with that Zombie that keeps its counters when it changes zones, I guess. And being able to turn a 6/6 into a 7/7 or more is kind of cool, that's a whole turn off the command damage win.

Okay maybe it's all right.

Edit - Restore is badass. Fetchlands, cycling lands, etc, hells yeah.

The land is fine. It's not a new staple but it's easily worth including in any deck that uses a general with +1/+1 counters. Ghave, the new Naya Ghave, Ulasht, etc.

[Barook]

Restore is a pretty cool card.

Sadly, it blows in a meta where DRS is the most-played creature of the format.

[tsabo_tavoc]

From the Ashes
Sorcery (R)
Destroy all nonbasic lands. For each land destroyed this way, its controller may search his or her library for a basic land card and put it onto the battlefield. Then each player who searched his or her library this way shuffles it.

There has to be a home for this card in Legacy.

Edit: Ruination

[Phoenix Ignition]

This thread is awesome, you guys are the most cynic bunch of crybabies ever. I remember when all of you hated on all cards with CMC > 2 because everybody was always dead before turn 3 (yeah right...). Now bashing new cards in general and WOTC set designers and the messed up color pie is the latest rage.

It's crazy right?!?! It's almost like there's a large community of people who visit this site, all with their own respective opinions and beliefs!!!

[Megadeus]

Restore is a pretty dope card. I like it allot.

[Lemnear]

Restore is a pretty dope card. I like it allot.

[Barook]

This thread is awesome, you guys are the most cynic bunch of crybabies ever. I remember when all of you hated on all cards with CMC > 2 because everybody was always dead before turn 3 (yeah right...). Now bashing new cards in general and WOTC set designers and the messed up color pie is the latest rage.

The fishman is really sweet and I think it's actually a really good and innovative design. I'm always happy when we get new cards with totally unprecedented abilities.
Is a 3/1 unkillable/unblockable dude too much for your deck to handle? On turn 3?? Try playing tendrils. Or Terminus. Or using Mother of Runes. Or just attacking with more than one creature. Or something with flying. Or kill the jitte if he gets equipped... Or SNT:ing into Omniscience. Or reanimate Elesh Norn. Hell, all tier one decks has an out to this card... Or start playing standard, you guys seem to enjoy being miserable.

How is Mom going to solve it?

Nemesis deserves all the hate it gets. Not only that it's a non-interactive PoS, it also was jammed into blue because someone on R&D has a raging hard-on for the . Maro's reasoning behind putting it into blue is full of shit since it clearly points at it being a white card.

All we wanted were a few new fun cards to play with. We didn't ask for the definition of an unfun card in wrong color. Homogenization is bad for the game since it makes it boring and the "blue does everything" trope is exactly that.

Last time I checked, the game was still called "Magic: The Gathering" and not "Magic: The AWESOMING".

[Megadeus]

Yeah damn phone auto correct and such

[nedleeds]

Restore is a pretty dope card. I like it allot.

I think Regrowth is better 90% of the time. Relying on an opponents resources is bad. It does "ramp" you but 2 CC land ramp is shit in eternal. Grim Discovery is better than this. Life from the Loam is better than this. Yeah you steal their land so they can't loam it ... i'd rather just exile it and draw a card. It's a sorcery which is also shitfuckingtastic with DRS running around.

[Cire]

I think Regrowth is better 90% of the time. Relying on an opponents resources is bad. It does "ramp" you but 2 CC land ramp is shit in eternal. Grim Discovery is better than this. Life from the Loam is better than this. Yeah you steal their land so they can't loam it ... i'd rather just exile it and draw a card. It's a sorcery which is also shitfuckingtastic with DRS running around.

Restore returns the land to the battlefield . . . instead of your hand, so you don't use up a land drop. The issue isn't ramping - but acting like a 1G sinkhole as long as their is a Wasteland in ANY graveyard.