[DTB] Sneak Attack

[mistervader]

@Mistervader

Sino ka? lol

@Flusterstorm Topic

I guess the only time Swan Song outshines Flusterstorm is during the mirror. I also liked the fact that it could counter a Counterbalance. But usually that matchup is in our favor anyway.

Marcelle Fabie, though since I haven't been active for a long time in Legacy/Vintage, you probably haven't heard of me at all.

That being said, I really did not feel Swan Song would have served me better at any point in my losses where Flusterstorm could not have done just as well.

[apple713]

@Mistervader

Sino ka? lol

@Flusterstorm Topic

I guess the only time Swan Song outshines Flusterstorm is during the mirror. I also liked the fact that it could counter a Counterbalance. But usually that matchup is in our favor anyway.

i really liked swan song when i played it. I put 1 in my board and 2 main in place of misdirection. Pretty much every time you need to cast it it'll be worth giving up a 2/2 token. It counters bitter blossom and counter balance. Keeps you alive against ant. its a hard counter for 1 blue mana, what more could u ask for?

[apple713]

tournament report - SWANSONG FTW

Tonight I went 4-0 at a local LGS

round 1 vs esper

G1: drew more S&T and Sneaks than he had answers for till 1 of them claimed me the victory
G2: i couldn't draw a creature to save my life, and he got there with a SoFI
G3: swing with emrakul, with a blood moon in play. He keeps a DRS and has very few outs. We enter some serious top deck mode as I can't find another creature. I do however find a swan song and a Blood moon. Cast blood moon, counter it with swan song, and get there with my 2/2 Bird! yeah thats right SWANSONG FTW...

Round 2 vs Tin fins

G1: I keep a weak hand vs a combo deck and he gets there before I do.
G2: I keep a counter heavy hand and slow roll him till I can safely cast sneak and emrakul.
G3: Both of us sculpt our hands, huge counter war, I win it, and have trouble finding a creature. Match goes to time, I risk a show and tell and he has 1 card in hand. I stick an emrakul but he has 7 permanents, 1 is a swan song token....DOH! He's at 13 life. I'm turn 5 and I spin my Dradle and find a Echoing truth FTW!

round 3 vs Miracles

G1: I'm on the sneak attack plan and wait till i get 5 mana before trying to cast it. He ttys to spell pierce, and i swan song, I win. Next turn i emrakul and crush!
G2: He doesn't draw a SDT and is digging with brainstorms. I find my sneak first and win the counter war. Stick an emrakul and get him to 1.... gosh. He has time to draw outs while i dig for a creature. He casts pithing needle and i counter with spell pierce as he cannot use his fetch to get a land to pay for it. Find a emrakul next turn and win.

round 4 vs UW control (not miracles, scepter chant shenanigans)

G1: mull to 5, risk casting sneak with no back up and get there.
G2: have 3 FOW opening and draw into the combo. S&T an emrakul into play (i had a sneak attack but no other creatures) he has detention sphere. durdle for a turn or two and find another emmy. Sneak the emmy into play and win.


all in all, swan song is really good...its a hard counter and is better in most situations, except when trying to counter a fluster storm. Fortunately fluster storm can't be used to counter a sneak attack.




I'm running jaco's 75 with 2 swan songs main instead of misdirections. I took out the fluster storms from the board and replaced them with 1 swan song and 1 pyroclasm (for a total of 3 pyroclasms)



Also, I'm working on side boarding notes for all the matches. For the ones I don't have maybe y'all could help fill them in.

[oarsman]

Hi guys. I would like to get some practice in playing Miracles against Sneak&Show tonight. If any of you guys have the deck on magic online and would like to play for a while, go ahead and send me a message either here or on twitch channel oarsman79.

[nodahero]

If you get any takers on the MODO stream option can you post it here? I would be curious to watch that stream!!

[apple713]

Sideboard Notes. I've made a collection of notes and sideboard information for my wife when she plays the deck. I figured it has some useful information that might help other players too.

Additionally if anyone has notes to add / questions please ask because I would like to improve these notes if possible. Here is my 75 for reference and then i'll start my notes.


3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Swan Song
1 Repeal
3 Ponder

4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Spell Pierce
4 Sneak Attack
4 Show and Tell
4 Griselbrand
4 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

4 Lotus Petal
3 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Polluted Delta
3 Volcanic Island
1 Mountain
2 Island


SB: 2 Through the Breach
SB: 1 Echoing Truth
SB: 3 Blood Moon
SB: 1 Swan Song
SB: 1 Repeal
SB: 2 Defense Grid
SB: 3 Pyroclasm
SB: 2 Red Elemental Blast


Sneak & Show Sideboard Notes

Deck: Shardless BUG

Colors: Black Blue Green

Notable Cards: Shardless Agent, Ancestral Visions, Baleful Strix, Abrupt Decay, Death Rite Shaman, Thoughtseize

Sideboard

-4 Force of will
-2 Swan Song
-1 Lotus Petal
+2 Defense Grid
+3 Blood Moon
+2 Through the breach


Deck: Dragon Stompy

Colors: Red

Notable Cards: Blood Moon, Magus of the Moon, Chrome Mox, Chalice of the Void, Umezawa’s Jitte, Sword of Fire and Ice, Rakka Mar

Sideboard

-2 Swan Song
-1 Lotus Petal
-1 Ponder
-1 Mountain
+3 Pyroclasm
+1 Repeal
+1 Echoing truth


Deck: Rug Delver

Colors: Red Blue Green

Notable Cards: Delver of Secrets, Lightning Bolt, Spell Pierce, Force of Will, Tarmogoyf, Nimble Mongoose, Daze

Sideboard

-1 Emrakul
-1 Ponder
-1 Sensei’s Divining Top
-2 Swan Song
+3 Blood Moon
+2 Defense Grid

***Match Notes – Watch out for soft counterspells like Spell Pierce and Daze, keep 1-2 mana open when casting sneak attack or show and tell so you will have the extra mana to pay for those counterspells.


Deck: Goblin Charbelcher

Colors: Red Green

Notable Cards: Empty the Warrens, Goblin Charbelcher, Rite of Flame, Manamorphose, Lotus Petal, Burning Wish, Lions Eye Diamond, Chrome Mox

Sideboard

-1 Repeal
-1 Sensei’s Divining Top
-1 Emrakul
-2 Lotus Petal
+3 Pyroclams (kill goblin tokens)
+1 Swan Song (counter a spell that produces mana)
+1 Echoing Truth (target goblin tokens, it will bounce all of them)

***Match Notes – Counter goblin charbelcher, counter any spell that would allow the opponent to get to 4 mana. Counter Seething Song. Once Charbelcher has four mana open, Empty the Warrens becomes live and Force of Will becomes moot. If the Belcher player has five mana in pool and plays a Burning Wish, Force of will that. We should often be able to race goblins unless facing them Turn 1 on the draw, since Griselbrand's lifelink is so good, so another way to go about it would be to ignore anything but the Charbelcher itself. Often the Belcher player will help you out by starting with Land Grant, in which case you can see which plan he's on. You can have her practice the matchup.


Deck: Imperial Painter

Colors: Red

Notable Cards: Painter Servant, Grindstone, Blood Moon, Magus of the Moon, Imperial Recruiter, Red Elemental Blast

Sideboard

-1 Ponder
-1 Swan Song
-1 Mountain
-1 Lotus Petal
+2 Red Elemental Blast
+1 Repeal
+1 Echoing Truth

***Match Notes: Keep Tormods crypt / relic of progenitus and goblin welder off the table. Destroy or bounce tormods crypt / relic of progenitus in response to grindstone being activated. Remember that Emrakul Shuffles back into your deck when it is put into your graveyard so you don’t lose when he uses grindstone.


Deck: Ad Nauseum Tendrils

Colors: Black Blue

Notable Cards: Tendrils of Agony, Dark Ritual, Brainstorm, Cabal therapy, Ad Nauseum, Cabal Ritual,

Sideboard

-1 Repeal
-1 Lotus Petal
-1 Mountain
+2 Red Elemental Blast
+1 Swan Song

***Match Notes – Counterspell ad nauseum / past in flames


Deck: Omniscience

Colors: Blue

Notable Cards: Show and Tell, Omniscience, Dream Halls, Force of Will, Pact of Negation

Sideboard

-3 Show And Tell
-1 Repeal
-1 Lotus Petal
+2 Red Elemental Blast
+1 Swan Song
+2 Through the Breach

Match notes – Only let a him resolve a show and tell if you have a griselbrand to put into play. He will try to cast Enter the infinite / cunning wish and you need to counter those spell or you will lose. Draw cards with griselbrand until you get a counterspell. Try not to tap out during the matchup so you can have mana available to use your counterspells. Through the breach with emrakul is typically better than with griselbrand because it will destroy his lands.


Deck: Esper Control

Colors: Black Blue White

Notable Cards: Stoneforge Mystic, Jace the Mind Sculptor, Thoughtseize, Duress, Snapcaster Mage, Flusterstorm

Sideboard

-2 Swan Song
-2 Lotus Petal
+2 Defense Grid
+1 Repeal (you can target the token attached to batterskull paying 0 mana for X)
+1 Echoing Truth


Deck: Recurring Pod

Colors: Green

Notable Cards: Birthing Pod, Recurring Nightmare, Veteran Explorer, Deathrite Shaman

Sideboard

-2 Swan Song
-2 Lotus Petal
-1 Ponder
+3 Pyroclasm
+2 Through the Breach

***Match Notes – Counterspell the Birthing Pod


Deck: Reanimator

Colors: Black Blue

Notable Cards: Reanimate, Exhume, Brainstorm, Thoughtseize, Cabal therapy, careful Study, Force of Will, Daze

Sideboard

-4 Show and Tell
-1 Lotus Petal
+1 Swan Song
+2 Through the Breach
+1 Echoing Truth
+1 Repeal

***Match Notes – Avoid Show and tell unless you have a sneak attack to put into play with it, and you can activate sneak attack preferably with an emrakul. Expect opponent to have pithing needles for your sneak attacks, and try to play controlling. Counter reanimate / exhume / animate dead, anything that brings a creature into play from graveyard.


Deck: All Spells

Colors: Red Green

Notable Cards: Undercity Informer, Balustrade Spy, Dark Ritual, Cabal Ritual, Manamorphose, Lotus Petal, Burning Wish, Lions Eye Diamond, Chrome Mox

Sideboard

-2 Show and Tell
-1 Lotus Petal
+2 Through the Breach
+1 Swan Song (counter a spell that produces black mana)

***Match Notes Counter spells that allow the player to generate black mana, Lotus petal / dark ritual, /cabal ritual. If you forget or cant, counter the black creatures he casts.

Deck: Death and taxes

Colors: white

Noteable cards: Thalia, Aether Vial, Swords to Plowshares, Karakas, Mother of Runes

Sideboard
-4 force of will
-2 spell pierce
+3 Blood moon
+3 Pyroclasm

March notes - The *best* configuration for beating Death and Taxes is just playing 3 Blood Moon main deck in the flex slots and Pyroclasms. Watch out for sword to plowshares on your gridelbrand. If he swords to plowshares your griselbrand you can draw cards in response and hopefully find a counterspell. Watch out for karakas. Blood moon makes karakas a mountain. Dont show and tell a creature when he has a karakas in play but you can show and tell a snea attack.

Deck: Goblins

Color: red

Noteable cards: anything with the goblin creature type. Goblin lackey, goblin pile driver. Aether vial.

Sideboard
-2 spell pierce
-2 force of will
-1 mountain
+3 pyroclasm
+1 echoing truth
+1 Repeal

Match Notes – Show and tell a sneak attack is best because they have sting Scourger. Pyroclasm when they have a committed field.


Deck: Maverick

Colors: Green White

Noteable cards: Knight of the Reliquary, Green sun’s Zenith, Noble Heirarch, Swords to plowshares, Dryad Arbor

Sideboard
-4 force of will
-2 spell pierce
+3 Blood moon
+3 Pyroclasm


Deck: Elves

Colors: Green

Notable cards: heritage druid, nettle sentinel, Glimpse of nature, natural order, Craterhoof behemoth

Sideboard
-2 Lotus Petal
-1 Ponder
+3 Pyroclasm

Match notes - counter glimpse of nature, natural order, craterhoof behemoth

Deck: High tide

Colors: Blue

Noteable Cards: High tide, Preordain, merchant scroll, Cunning Wish, Turnabout, Candelabra of Tawnos.

Sideboard

-1 Lotus Petal
+1 Swan Song

Match Notes: Play conservatively and try not to tap out unless you are going to win. Emrakul is better than Griselbrand because they need at least 4 lands to win. High Tide is a good card to counterspell but so is merchant scroll / turnabout

Deck: Miracles

Colors: Blue White / Red

Notable Cards: Counterbalance, Sensei’s Divining Top, Terminus, Vensur Shaper Savant,

Sideboard
-2 spell pierce
-2 Lotus Petal
-1 Ponder
-2 Show and Tell
+1 Swan Song
+2 Red Elemental Blast
+2 Defense Grid
+2 Through the Breach

Match Notes – Sneak Attack and through the breach are better than Show and tell. Counter the Sensei’s Divining Top if you can. Play conservatively and have back up counterspells for your threats. Emrakul is typically better because they need lands. If they use Karakas in response to emrakul’s Attack simply activate sneak attack again and put emrakul back into play and Annihilate for 6.

[JACO]

@Apple713, great write up. My main deck is the same except for the manabase. Still playing with the sideboard.

How is everyone else sideboarding against RUG Delver specifically? I want to get more opinions. Those seem to be the only decks that I have consistently had any trouble with in tournaments. Either I land a Blood Moon and it's immediately game over, or I never see any sideboard cards and they are able to fend me off with a first turn Delver sometimes.

[rxavage]

How is everyone else sideboarding against RUG Delver specifically? I want to get more opinions. Those seem to be the only decks that I have consistently had any trouble with in tournaments. Either I land a Blood Moon and it's immediately game over, or I never see any sideboard cards and they are able to fend me off with a first turn Delver sometimes.

Glad I'm not the only one that struggles against RUG. Against RUG, BUG, UGX tempo/midrange I side in 3 Blood Moon and 2 'clasm, seems like if I ever resolve either it's GG. I'm not a fan of Defense Grid but I've never run more than 2, they were never drawn when needed or I'd get an opener with a BM and Grid and Moon always shines.

[apple713]

@Apple713, great write up. My main deck is the same except for the manabase. Still playing with the sideboard.

How is everyone else sideboarding against RUG Delver specifically? I want to get more opinions. Those seem to be the only decks that I have consistently had any trouble with in tournaments. Either I land a Blood Moon and it's immediately game over, or I never see any sideboard cards and they are able to fend me off with a first turn Delver sometimes.

unfortunately thats kinda how the match goes. t1 delver with a flip puts you in a bind. You need to race cause your running out of time but you also need to play around soft counters. While I have done favorably with my side boarding strategy posted above, i've been tempted to board in pyroclasms. They are really good against delver, non thresh goose, v clique, young pyromancer...everything but goyf really. A well timed pyroclasm can buy you time to find the combo or play around the soft counters.

RUG delver is equatable to what zoo was like 4 years ago. It doesn't really have any bad match ups and is probably like 50% vs the field. A few cards blow it out, punishing fire and blood moon both i think, but they are not common enough to detour people from playing it. It is the roadblock that all decks need to deal with.


My suggestion might be play more blood moon effects since it blows out quite a few decks.

[JACO]

Well I used to play Blood Moons main (see my Madison report from mid-last year http://www.eternalcentral.com/scg-ma...k-and-bargain/), and that was pretty sweet. I'm rolling 3-4 Blood Moons in the sideboard now, and think I will probably just board Blood Moon + REB again RUG. REB is a essentially a hard counter as well as a way to kill fast Delvers, and any time I've boarded in Pyroclasm against RUG I've regretted it. Defense Grid has been good the very few times I've actually drawn it when needed, but I rarely see it when I need it, even when boarding in 3 copies.

Another card that may be worth revisiting at some point is Overmaster. It cantrips and can't be REBed. Pretty limited in scope, but very powerful.

[lordofthepit]

Glad I'm not the only one that struggles against RUG. Against RUG, BUG, UGX tempo/midrange I side in 3 Blood Moon and 2 'clasm, seems like if I ever resolve either it's GG. I'm not a fan of Defense Grid but I've never run more than 2, they were never drawn when needed or I'd get an opener with a BM and Grid and Moon always shines.

RUG Delver is the nightmare matchup for me. I don't play this deck a whole lot, but I'm 0-5 against RUG Delver and 15-2 against everything else (excluding concessions and IDs). It's a small sample size and the skill level of opposing pilots vary, but the difference is striking.

[apple713]

Well I used to play Blood Moons main (see my Madison report from mid-last year http://www.eternalcentral.com/scg-ma...k-and-bargain/), and that was pretty sweet. I'm rolling 3-4 Blood Moons in the sideboard now, and think I will probably just board Blood Moon + REB again RUG. REB is a essentially a hard counter as well as a way to kill fast Delvers, and any time I've boarded in Pyroclasm against RUG I've regretted it. Defense Grid has been good the very few times I've actually drawn it when needed, but I rarely see it when I need it, even when boarding in 3 copies.

Another card that may be worth revisiting at some point is Overmaster. It cantrips and can't be REBed. Pretty limited in scope, but very powerful.

over master being limited to show and tell only makes it probably not worth it. Its one of the reasons i ended up cutting boseiju from my board.

[JPA]

I think the Tempo-matchup is certainly one of the more difficult ones, but still pretty even. Pyroclasm is pretty bad against RUG, but I like boarding them against UWR and Grixis, since it hits all of their threats.

Defense Grid is definitely better than Blood Moon against URx-Tempo. They usually try to keep hands with one cc1-threat and counters, so Blood Moon often comes down too late. It "only" stops Flusterstorm, Pierce, Stifle and Daze (and more threats, of course), while Defense Grid turns off FoW and REB as well as their other counters.
Of course, Blood Moon can still be a bomb and end the game right away, but if you have problems with the Tempo-matchup, I would play more Defense Grids.

I will post my sideboard-plans later this weekend, gonna play in the bi-annual Magiccardmarket-Tournament this saturday. Last time I played the mirror against GP-Strasbourg-Top8-competitor and friend of mine Christopher Brunner in the finals - and lost 0-2.

[morpheus31]

Hi,
Its my first time on this forum so here goes.

I'll be playing sneak and show at the GP and was wondering if anyone can link me to detailed primers regarding the deck and MUs. Any feedback would be helpful.

Here are some questions I have. I have come up with some answers that are based off of theory and less on playtesting although I've done some of that too.

How can we make the death and taxes MU better?
My answer: Blood moons, wipe aways and pyroclasms. Blood moons are pretty obvious since Karakas, ports and wastelands are annoying. Wipe aways clears a mom out the way so I can clasm their board. It can bounce an o-ring which also seems sweet. Clasm is obvious but its less good if they have mom. Is anarchy at all playable if I'm super worried about it? It seems like casting a 4 mana spell would be rough but it gets around mom...It certainly seems sweet if we played an early blood moon. Am I missing anything.

Sensi's divining top, intuition, pre ordain and/or gitaxian probe? I haven't seen top in many lists until just now. I've been playing preordain, intuition and probes. Probes are whatever but figure I might need the training wheels but am 50/50 on cutting them for good cards. The one of intuition has been super sweet. I'm considering playing another one. In sb games its been especially awesome since eot intuition allows getting defense grid vs the MUs I've wanted them in or just getting 3 tombs. Its a little slow but having access to an instant tutor seems awesome. Preordain has been good and bad. Clearly the worse of the cantrips. How is divinig top? It seems like drawing 2 would be bad and can be a liability vs needle effects (although maybe thats a trap to needle our top), but with the colorless land we produce and all the shuffle effects i can see the upside.

Counter spell suit. Forces seem non negotiable (certainly can be deboarded) but spell pierce, flusterstorms, daze and swan song all have their merrits and downside. I've been unimpressed by spell pierce. It seems like my opponents have been able to play around it when I'm protecting the combo and using it to counter what they are doing as a proactive measure is usually what I don't want to be doing(unless the mu has no good targets usually or its a card that is somewhat proactive anyway like aether vial but I digress). Pierce is probably better vs the tempo decks since they tap out and usally only have 1 or 2 mana open anyway. Swan song seems strongest in the mirror but worse vs tempo decks. Daze seems like low impact but its free-ish. flusterstorm is narrow but real good vs combo and in fow battles.

Threats:
The 8 main threats are insane but is there anything worth considering if I'm specifically worried about certain MUs like taxes, the mirror or tempo decks?

Leyline of sanctity:
seems pretty good vs discard, tendrils and belcher decks. I hate that you can't cast it but maybe its so good you have to play it. Thoughts?

Here is my current list:

lands
2 Intuition
2 Gitaxian probe
1 wipe away
4 Ponder

4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Spell Pierce
4 Sneak Attack
4 Show and Tell
4 Griselbrand
4 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

4 Lotus Petal
3 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
3 Scalding Tarn
4 Polluted Delta
3 Volcanic Island
1 Mountain
3 Island

Sb:
3 Blood moon
3 leyline of sanctity
3 defense grid
2 through the breach
1 wipe away
3 pyroclasm


Possible sb cards:
Red Blast, Jace tms, graftdiggers cage, e truth, e explosives.

Thanks for any feedback.

nick cuenca

[Togores]

Hi,
Its my first time on this forum so here goes.

I'll be playing sneak and show at the GP and was wondering if anyone can link me to detailed primers regarding the deck and MUs. Any feedback would be helpful.

Here are some questions I have. I have come up with some answers that are based off of theory and less on playtesting although I've done some of that too.

How can we make the death and taxes MU better?
My answer: Blood moons, wipe aways and pyroclasms. Blood moons are pretty obvious since Karakas, ports and wastelands are annoying. Wipe aways clears a mom out the way so I can clasm their board. It can bounce an o-ring which also seems sweet. Clasm is obvious but its less good if they have mom. Is anarchy at all playable if I'm super worried about it? It seems like casting a 4 mana spell would be rough but it gets around mom...It certainly seems sweet if we played an early blood moon. Am I missing anything.

Sensi's divining top, intuition, pre ordain and/or gitaxian probe? I haven't seen top in many lists until just now. I've been playing preordain, intuition and probes. Probes are whatever but figure I might need the training wheels but am 50/50 on cutting them for good cards. The one of intuition has been super sweet. I'm considering playing another one. In sb games its been especially awesome since eot intuition allows getting defense grid vs the MUs I've wanted them in or just getting 3 tombs. Its a little slow but having access to an instant tutor seems awesome. Preordain has been good and bad. Clearly the worse of the cantrips. How is divinig top? It seems like drawing 2 would be bad and can be a liability vs needle effects (although maybe thats a trap to needle our top), but with the colorless land we produce and all the shuffle effects i can see the upside.

Counter spell suit. Forces seem non negotiable (certainly can be deboarded) but spell pierce, flusterstorms, daze and swan song all have their merrits and downside. I've been unimpressed by spell pierce. It seems like my opponents have been able to play around it when I'm protecting the combo and using it to counter what they are doing as a proactive measure is usually what I don't want to be doing(unless the mu has no good targets usually or its a card that is somewhat proactive anyway like aether vial but I digress). Pierce is probably better vs the tempo decks since they tap out and usally only have 1 or 2 mana open anyway. Swan song seems strongest in the mirror but worse vs tempo decks. Daze seems like low impact but its free-ish. flusterstorm is narrow but real good vs combo and in fow battles.

Threats:
The 8 main threats are insane but is there anything worth considering if I'm specifically worried about certain MUs like taxes, the mirror or tempo decks?

Leyline of sanctity:
seems pretty good vs discard, tendrils and belcher decks. I hate that you can't cast it but maybe its so good you have to play it. Thoughts?

Here is my current list:

lands
2 Intuition
2 Gitaxian probe
1 wipe away
4 Ponder

4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Spell Pierce
4 Sneak Attack
4 Show and Tell
4 Griselbrand
4 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

4 Lotus Petal
3 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
3 Scalding Tarn
4 Polluted Delta
3 Volcanic Island
1 Mountain
3 Island

Sb:
3 Blood moon
3 leyline of sanctity
3 defense grid
2 through the breach
1 wipe away
3 pyroclasm


Possible sb cards:
Red Blast, Jace tms, graftdiggers cage, e truth, e explosives.

Thanks for any feedback.

nick cuenca

from my thoughts and experiences I woudl do the following:


death and taxes: the deck was before not so represented so I just sidded in 4 pyroclasm and 2 echoing. Now with more karakas.deck in the meta I have changed 2 pyroclams for 3 progenitus. Its easy to get show and tell + progenitus and it gets beyond all of his hate. An with still 2 pyroclams anad 2 echoing is easy to race. blood moon is also fine but you need blood moon + enabler + guy and can still lose to mangara or something like that. I think proegnitus is the way to go.


intuition is nice, but in a so heavy discard format is sensei better. Problem is that since surgical was ut I played everytime less intuition because evey random guy can just surgical ur search. Before I only did it vs black decks but now with colorless extirpate is not right.

the countersuit I play is weird: 1 misdirection 3 fluster 2 swangsong 4 fow. I have test and it worked the best. Pierce was bad cause they always payed for it and now with so much show and tell and ant in the format song and fluster are nuts.

I tested lyeline 4 events long and It was really bad, or u just blank 2 of his cards and they brainstorm it away, or u draw it late or so. With my couunter suite un can just outrace discard until u have the combo and win. Even vs belcher u need a fow nothing else and its not a real deck in the meta to worry about. and vs storm they always side in 2 chains of vapor so with them and xxantids they can just combo out and win. Sense + counters is better tan drawing into 4 blanks.


here is the deck im going to run this weekend in a big event in my city:

It has given great result giving me and my friends playing my list high number of tops and wins this last 5 months.


4 sneak attack
4 show and tell
4 brainstorm
4 ponder
4 force of will
2 swan song
3 flusterstorm
1 misdirection
2 senseis divining top
4 lotus petal
4 griselbrand
4 enrakul the aeons torn
3 island
1 mountain
2 misty rainforest
2 pollued delta
4 scalding tarn
3 ancient tomb
2 city of traitors
3 volcanic island

side deck
2 pyroblast
3 defense grid
2 echoing truth
2 pyroclasm
3 progenitus
12

Then I have to make a mix of 3 cards of here for the deck to complete (right now i think it will be 2 boseiju + 1pyroblast) but im nt 100% sure, I have many options.

1-2 throug the breach (I dont like this card, only vs reanimator wich is a pairing that almost non exists since death rite and ur gonna lose if u dont side in a lot of cards so I just scoop to reanimator, in the miror my better counter suite and show and tell+ sneak + emrakul with bosiju gets there 90% of time)
1-2 boseiju who selters all
1 pyroclams
1 pyroblast


A problema with my list is that I dont have enought cards to sidin vs taxes (my sb plans are in the last 4 sites)
I would side out:
3 fluster
1 misdi
2 song
4 griselbrand

for;
3 progenitus
2 clasm
2 echoing

but thats not enought
may be letting the songs and one Grisel or sth like that.
if i side more clasm or thought the breach its easier cause i can just slam them in. but until...


that are my thoughts on all.

may be the correct configuration for the ones playing this weekend the gp is:

3 pyroblast
3 progenitus
3 grid
2 pyroclams
2 breach
2 echoing

just my thoughts, the thing is here show and tell is pupullar and also miracles and my boseiju is nuts vs miracles and good vs all other blue decks.


thx

[morpheus31]

from my thoughts and experiences I woudl do the following:


death and taxes: the deck was before not so represented so I just sidded in 4 pyroclasm and 2 echoing. Now with more karakas.deck in the meta I have changed 2 pyroclams for 3 progenitus. Its easy to get show and tell + progenitus and it gets beyond all of his hate. An with still 2 pyroclams anad 2 echoing is easy to race. blood moon is also fine but you need blood moon + enabler + guy and can still lose to mangara or something like that. I think proegnitus is the way to go.


intuition is nice, but in a so heavy discard format is sensei better. Problem is that since surgical was ut I played everytime less intuition because evey random guy can just surgical ur search. Before I only did it vs black decks but now with colorless extirpate is not right.

the countersuit I play is weird: 1 misdirection 3 fluster 2 swangsong 4 fow. I have test and it worked the best. Pierce was bad cause they always payed for it and now with so much show and tell and ant in the format song and fluster are nuts.

I tested lyeline 4 events long and It was really bad, or u just blank 2 of his cards and they brainstorm it away, or u draw it late or so. With my couunter suite un can just outrace discard until u have the combo and win. Even vs belcher u need a fow nothing else and its not a real deck in the meta to worry about. and vs storm they always side in 2 chains of vapor so with them and xxantids they can just combo out and win. Sense + counters is better tan drawing into 4 blanks.


here is the deck im going to run this weekend in a big event in my city:

It has given great result giving me and my friends playing my list high number of tops and wins this last 5 months.


4 sneak attack
4 show and tell
4 brainstorm
4 ponder
4 force of will
2 swan song
3 flusterstorm
1 misdirection
2 senseis divining top
4 lotus petal
4 griselbrand
4 enrakul the aeons torn
3 island
1 mountain
2 misty rainforest
2 pollued delta
4 scalding tarn
3 ancient tomb
2 city of traitors
3 volcanic island

side deck
2 pyroblast
3 defense grid
2 echoing truth
2 pyroclasm
3 progenitus
12

Then I have to make a mix of 3 cards of here for the deck to complete (right now i think it will be 2 boseiju + 1pyroblast) but im nt 100% sure, I have many options.

1-2 throug the breach (I dont like this card, only vs reanimator wich is a pairing that almost non exists since death rite and ur gonna lose if u dont side in a lot of cards so I just scoop to reanimator, in the miror my better counter suite and show and tell+ sneak + emrakul with bosiju gets there 90% of time)
1-2 boseiju who selters all
1 pyroclams
1 pyroblast


A problema with my list is that I dont have enought cards to sidin vs taxes (my sb plans are in the last 4 sites)
I would side out:
3 fluster
1 misdi
2 song
4 griselbrand

for;
3 progenitus
2 clasm
2 echoing

but thats not enought
may be letting the songs and one Grisel or sth like that.
if i side more clasm or thought the breach its easier cause i can just slam them in. but until...


that are my thoughts on all.

may be the correct configuration for the ones playing this weekend the gp is:

3 pyroblast
3 progenitus
3 grid
2 pyroclams
2 breach
2 echoing

just my thoughts, the thing is here show and tell is pupullar and also miracles and my boseiju is nuts vs miracles and good vs all other blue decks.


thx

Thanks for your input.

I expect there to be a lot of blue tempo(rug and wur), true name/stoneforge decks and combo decks(tendrals, elves and sneak). I think I'll have to beat taxes to win the tournament too. I might have to beat miracles but its an afterthought. I want versatility in my sb so I'm not sure about the progenitus since its only really good vs taxes. Probably good vs u/w and u/w/r. It doesn't work well with sneak either.

Your point about intuition is valid- I hadn't thought about it even though I tested stone blade and death blade with tnn. It seems only relevant in game 2 situations where you a) draw intuition and b)they have extraction. That certainly could happen especially if people are playing snapcaster extraction decks- which is a thing. Also people going rougue is a thing and a popular strategy is discard plus extraction.

Flusters and swans are pretty sweet. They don't counter planes walkers and articats which is my worry. Jace, liliana, aether vial and LED(not sure how much this one matters) are things. I do like flusterstorm a lot and will try to play 2 in my 75 at least. Swan song is fine. Good in the mirror so there's that.

Boseiju seems sweet vs miracles but again such a specific thing is cool when you expect a ton of things. I'll be playing like 14 rounds so I need to get max value from my sb.

Have you tested wipe away? not sure its better than echoing. Echoing kills goblins from empty and possibly bounces 2 hate bears or whatever but wipe away can get through a mom, counters after a guy gets o ringed and in the mirror if your opponent passes priority it can be a beating. The fact that it costs 3 and is double blue stinks so I'm not sure. It might be ambitious to want wipe away through a blood moon so I think that really does it to me.

Thanks again! Good luck this weekend.

[Togores]

I have played wipe away for a long time. Vs death and taxes is not so good but for example vs goblins is better echoing to just time walk you.

you can bounce double pithing needle or so. And also bounce tokens vs belcher or dredge.

vs infernal tutor deck wipe away is cool tu just bounce a land in response to the infernal but nothing else.

I like echoing because vs counter decks when i side it in i usualy side also boseiju so its good.

[mulder]

Why would you side out Griselbrand instead of Emrakul? They both die to Mangara, Karakas and Oblivion Ring but at least Griselbrand draws you a load of cards in the process... .

[Togores]

Emrakul gats with sneak atack over karakas.
And griselbrand. Being in the race vs a agro deck with mana denial can u make not draw. Or die in his turn if you draw. So i think its the worst one.

[JPA]

Huey didn't make day 2.

Let's all root for Chas Hinkle at 9-0 now!

Btw, why were we moved to Established Decks if we are at 5th place in the ranking?

Edit: Chas is out, too. 11-0 to 11-3.. Jason Ford 12-2 on Sneak & Show tho