Chinese fakes

[sdematt]

If you stop eating out and drinking alcohol all together you could provably buy a beta dual every month

I skipped out on the binge drinking in college and instead, assembled a set of Beta duals (almost). Seems good, right?

-Matt

[Bed Decks Palyer]

If you stop eating all together you could provably buy a beta dual every week.

[r3dd09]

Yes, of course. But the difference now and back in 1999 is 100 USD per dual. It's no that funny. Also, I remember the old fakes, they were easily distinguishable from half a mile. These look quite better. Not to mention that the old fakes were limited to duals, P9 and similar money cards, so you didn't need to be that careful about Type II staples. With the prices we have today, even the Standard stuff is faked, as we're not talking about USD 50 per UG Madness, but more like USD 50 per one card and the fakes are spread all over the editions and formats, so good luck purchasing anything over the web.
Moreover, the number of real ABU cards is still the same over the years (better said: it's still smaller and smaller), while the number of fakes rises. Not good. Not good, if you ask me.



Why just Chinamen...?

I had a friend that's from Japan that's here for foreign exchange stuff. He had some pretty accurate high end stuff. He never knew it was fake. Some stores told him they were real. After I got my hands on one and compared, you could tell the different.

Funny moment, when we weren't buddy buddy and I was checking his fake stuff out and comparing a tundra to a fake tundra. He was looking at them closely, shuffled them around. Then took mine and gave me his.

At first I was in shock as I saw what he did, and made the proper switch. Luckily after I got to know him, I knew it wasn't intentional, he's just clumsy.

[sdematt]

Let me agree, however, by saying Legacy should be a format accessible by 13 year old me - one where you can buy a blue dual land or a Force of Will for $20, and the most expensive card would be $100. It's not an unreasonable amount, considering that's when I got into Legacy. Collecting pop bottles, a few dollars a week allowance, and birthday money started my Legacy collection.

-Matt

[clavio]

You would be surprised how much eating out adds up.

If you stop eating out and drinking alcohol all together you could provably buy a beta dual every month

You know they're like $700 right?

[r3dd09]

You know they're like $700 right?

He knows, he's buying them as well.

[Mewens]

You know they're like $700 right?

In that case, he meant you could probably buy like two a month. Just stop eating out and drinking, for reals.

(Just remember that this is the same guy who chastised anyone paying $1k a month on a mortgage that they're paying too much.)

[clavio]

In that case, he meant you could probably buy like two a month. Just stop eating out and drinking, for reals.

(Just remember that this is the same guy who chastised anyone paying $1k a month on a mortgage that they're paying too much.)

My shitty apartment is $900 (but utils are included). A very frightening Vietnam vet lives upstairs so you know it's legit.

[Lord Seth]

I agree completely. However, it's often times much more palatable financially (and probably psychologically) to spend $300 on a competitive Standard deck every 6 months than to drop $1,500 one-time only on a competitive Legacy deck.

Who actually spends $300 on a competitive Standard deck every 6 months? Sure, you generally have to update your deck with cards from the new expansions, but I don't think it's not going to cost you that much every 6 months.

I mean, there is an upkeep for Standard, but I find when trying to make the "Legacy vs. Standard" comparison, people overstate it.

Now, if you're an ultra-competitive player you might have to be completely changing your deck with each set rotation or even with each metagame shift, but a like Legacy player isn't comparable to someone who just buys one deck anyway because they'd be switching decks as the metagame demands it as well.

I think that's the issue a lot of Standard players face. They realize that in the long run, Legacy is cheaper, but in the short term with only $30 in their wallet and two Thassa's away from completing their deck, Standard allows them to play competitive Magic for "less" (relatively speaking).

Well in a way it's kind of like asking why anyone rents an apartment. "Don't they know that in the long run it'll be cheaper to buy a condo, which they'll actually own?"

[Dice_Box]

The name calling, bullshit about living situations and all round crap that's been thrown around is disturbing. Yes people both agreed and disagreed with me early in the thread, but we where civil. This is..

I am going to quote Dick on this.

Jesus Christ you're all fucking insane.

Myself included.

[prateta]

Situation update

Many of you have written here that some salesman from the chinese company wrote you the police closed their factory. Bad news, it's not true. They just have so many orders that one employee told this lie. I asked the man who is sending me the free sample of cards about this, he confirmed. See the screenshots.




Please excuse my grammar in this post and in the chat as I'm pissed drunk.

[Higgs]

"yes, so we can't make it enough"

Oh man

[Voncaster]

Does anyone expect Legacy and current Modern to survive longterm (say over the next 5 years) after this news developed?

I'm fully expecting a singles market crash in 2014. I think all it will take is a few counterfeits to show up at tournaments or be sold from "reputable" online dealers to do irreprable harm to consumer confidence.

[Barook]

or be sold from "reputable" online dealers to do irreprable harm to consumer confidence.

You mean like the fake Liliana from SCG which was only spotted afterwards because the copyright line was bolded?

I'm rather expecting some greedy people trying to sell those en masse as the real thing to make profit.

[Dice_Box]

You mean like the fake Liliana from SCG which was only spotted afterwards because the copyright line was bolded?

Link?

[apple713]

You know they're like $700 right?

yeah between 300-1200

im not saying you'll get an underground sea every month but think about it....

If you have a full time job shit happens during the week. Below is just an example of something that happens probably very regularly to a majority of people.

you eat out for lunch 2 days a week cause your running late to work and you don't pack one. $15

you eat out to dinner 3 times a week cause you work late and don't want to make something. $30

you go to the bar at least once a week $50 (twice a week for $25.... tip, few beers, drinks for a girl)

Thats 1 week and you are at $95 .... for a month x 4 = $380 and that is very conservative. Its at the bottom of the beta dual range but still will enable someone to play legacy with almost whatever deck they want in a month or two.

lets say you eat out much more often.....

lunch $7 x 5 days = $25
dinner $10 x 5 days = $50 ($10 for a dinner is pretty cheap unless your eating mcdonalds value menu every meal)
Bar $25 x 3 days = $75 ($25 for a bar trip is pretty good... if you get shots add another $20)
$150 / week x 4 = $600 <-----defiantly in beta dual range, almost blue dual range

[apple713]

Not in the area that I live in. $1,000 mortgage either means you found a steal or live in a shack. $1,000 is the base for a semi-reasonable family home in my area.

I live in texas and for $1000 you can live in a nice place for that much. its hard to believe that in Wisconson housing is more expensive

So people should give up their houses and move into cramped apartments in order to have spare money for magic?

And what if Duals one day rise to $2,000 each? What then? Will you finally admit the format is too expensive?

When is it finally okay to say "man I just can't afford to play Legacy?" Because apparently as long as SOME people are able to afford it, you all feel that EVERYONE should be able to.

its not for everyone, but for people who do have incomes and choose to spend their money on booze and eat out, both of which are luxuries, maybe they just need to readjust what their priorities are...

If only I could find a place for that, I'm paying $900 for a studio.

yeah the housing situation in the NE isn't great so i could believe that. MTG rates are still low though 3.5-4.5% i think and its a great time to buy.

[Barook]

Link?

Where's a post somewhere burried in the Salvation thread about this topic. Maybe someone can bother to dig it out.

Edit: It was about these ones from the MTG Salvation thread:



Not sure if the Salvation thread also contains the story behind it, but in the 4chan thread, it was said that a guy compared his Lilianas bought from SCG and one of those was a fake one.

[Voncaster]

You mean like the fake Liliana from SCG which was only spotted afterwards because the copyright line was bolded?

I'm rather expecting some greedy people trying to sell those en masse as the real thing to make profit.

I'm only tangentially aware of that story. My point is it will not take much in the internet connected age for a counterfeit story to make the rounds. And when it does I expect consumer confidence to go with it. Why buy if you can't trust?

Is that extreme or others think the writing is on the wall for legacy and modern cards in tournaments? I think the new anti-piracy cards will be better. But after the expected market chill, I'm not sure people burned by piracy are going to be willing to jump back in nor am I sure that LGS will support the game as heavily.

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