Chinese fakes

[majikal]

Daaaamn, Jack must be Smithers because JBlaze is obviously Mr. Burns.

[HardBrain]

hehe, look on the bright side of light!! Legacy scene will grow up! more ppl playing Our favourite format ! ha! :d Legacy will survive in every city hehe ;) :D:D:D: just order set of duals / fetches / 20+$ cards ...and buy all legacy in sth about 2000$ not 2000$ for 1 deck hehe;)

[Dzra]

Daaaamn, Jack must be Smithers because JBlaze is obviously Mr. Burns.

I think it's probably safe to say you shouldn't buy cards online on websites like eBay anymore. I mean it's fine if you are buying a card from a LGS you trust though ebay, but from a random person like you or me seems risky.

I've been burned by some LGSs that I've dealt with online before, and I know for a fact that White Lion Games has scammed quite a few people in their day. It's worth saying that just because it's a LGS doesn't mean they are a trustworthy LGS.

[lordofthepit]

Daaaamn, Jack must be Smithers because JBlaze is obviously Mr. Burns.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Not dignifying the rest of your post with a response. It's ironic that you just described your self perfectly.

I am claiming to be super "logical" and therefore right about things? This is news to me, maybe you could quote me doing this at some point.

Alternately, maybe "no, u" isn't the all-purpose rhetorical big gun you were taught.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

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[Akuma]

Ridiculous card prices are responsible for this. The prices for cards have spiraled out of control, everything is ridiculously priced. If these "Chinese" fakes put a dent into all of the greedy dealers and hoarders, I won't really cry for them.

[lordofthepit]

Ridiculous card prices are responsible for this. The prices for cards have spiraled out of control, everything is ridiculously priced. If these "Chinese" fakes put a dent into all of the greedy dealers and hoarders, I won't really cry for them.

You don't need to cry for the dealers and hoarders.

But save some for the stores, the players, the judges, and the mothership.

[Lord Seth]

You don't need to cry for the dealers and hoarders.

But save some for the stores, the players, the judges, and the mothership.

There's very little reason to cry for "the mothership" over this. They brought this on themselves with their reprint policies.

[lordofthepit]

There's very little reason to cry for "the mothership" over this. They brought this on themselves with their reprint policies.

A substantial number of the cards on the "fake list" are Standard cards. The majority are Modern-legal. Only five are cards on the Reserved List.

I will agree that the high price of cards on the secondary market contributes to the problem, but in the sense that more players are willing to condone fakes. Wizards would never be able to compete with Chinese counterfeiters who can produce these cards at less than 1c per copy while still being able to maintain the integrity of Magic as a collectible card game. They have counterfeited cards as cheap as Figure of Destiny, Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, and basic lands (Unhinged). Wizards cannot realistically just flood the market with every single staple to the point that every card is worth less than $2. It would completely undermine the collectible aspect of this game, which they've deemed important.

[Illusions]

A substantial number of the cards on the "fake list" are Standard cards. The majority are Modern-legal. Only five are cards on the Reserved List.

I will agree that the high price of cards on the secondary market contributes to the problem, but in the sense that more players are willing to condone fakes. Wizards would never be able to compete with Chinese counterfeiters who can produce these cards at less than 1c per copy while still being able to maintain the integrity of Magic as a collectible card game.

The mothership will be fine. They have a new frame coming in 2014, which will slow the counterfeiters down a fair bit when you consider that they still can't get the process right for cards printed two decades ago. Periodic updates of anti-counterfeiting measures should be more than enough to ensure that standard isn't affected, which will protect their bottom line. They also have MTGO, which -- although currently struggling due to their own ineptitude -- is still a cash cow. I'm not worried about Wizards in the slightest.

As for modern and legacy, I highly doubt many stores are making their bread and butter selling one or two legacy and modern staples a month. The supply is currently too low for the cards to stay at an optimal price point for most players. Perfect forgeries could change that, and allow shops to sell more volume. TBH I never had much faith in the collectable aspect of the game, and in any case, cards like the revised duals were never even intended to be collectibles (hence the white border). From a purely utilitarian aspect, these fakes are more likely to improve things for players, not make them worse. Wizards weren't willing to print these cards themselves, so it's only natural that other suppliers will enter the market to meet unmet demand.

I don't condone violating the law (though not for moral reasons, because no morality is absolute), but in this case, we have the perfect storm of forgeries that can ease supply issues for eternal formats, and bring in more players without having an adverse impact on Wizards themselves. SCG and a few large dealers may be affected in the short term, but long term they should be able to adjust.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I love how IBA pretends that his ego wasn't hurt, while he shat all over the interweb. Thanks Chinamen fake-cards guys, this was worth it!

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

I love how IBA pretends that his ego wasn't hurt, while he shat all over the interweb. Thanks Chinamen fake-cards guys, this was worth it!

I love how shitty posters I don't even fucking know perpetually think they can win cool points by picking poorly thought out battles with me every time I pop out of hibernation to comment on something.

I don't know who you are, I don't care, don't refer to me as if I do, we're not friends, we're not acquaintances, you're just another in a long line of idiots that have tried this routine. You assholes tend to blur together, it's like trying to pick out individual turds in a shitpile; you don't.

But yeah I guess good job, you found my fatal weakness. All these years I was praying that no one would discover that the internet has animated gifs you can post when coherent thought fails you.

Which, in your case, I'm guessing is pretty often, although that's only based on the limited information of your past few posts since, again, I don't give a fuck about you, whoever you are.

Nice cool guy emoticon though.

[Aggro_zombies]

Man, I love when IBA posts. I wish he would do it more often, but these things are best in moderation.

[diego1985]

i have buy this card from the same seller on mcm

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[Mr Miagi]

i have buy this card from the same seller on mcm

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Is there supposed to be a fake in there? I don't see it

[diego1985]

i think that a card to letf is a fake. the intensity of colors is totally different. also a font isnt the same


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[Lemnear]

i have buy this card from the same seller on mcm

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Fake commons? Seriously? Naaaaaa

[prateta]

Hi prateta, I don't want to be rude or mean that you're lying, but I have thought if you could share a photo for example of the envelope where the cards were. So everybody can confirm that those cards were sent by those chinese people.
What I mean is that the fakes are so good that this is serious, and some people may even been thinking of selling their collections because of that. And confirmation that you actually received the fakes would be very appreciated.
Again, it's not a personal attack or wherever, and sorry in advice if you have already posted evidence, but I'm a bit worried if those cards are proxies as you're saying.
Thank you very much :)

I think I still have the envelope somewhere. Will try to make a photo when I get home today.

In the meantime, enjoy this little spoiler from my upcoming review. First picture - original card torn up. Second - fake torn up. The fake Lackey survived only 5 bend tests. Then it broke.

Edit: Predicting future questions - all cards on the background of those 2 pictures are fakes.

[DragoFireheart]

This may sound funny, but consider the following:

Even if there is an influx of fake cards, what are you holding right now, in hand? That's right, REAL CARDS. You don't have to worry about fake duals if you are careful when you buy, and if you deal with reputable people. But, I see SO many people forgetting the fact that the cards they have in hand, the ones they're worried about dropping like stones with panic selling, are the REAL FUCKING CARDS. Not fakes, REAL ONES.

If you don't need to sell during this whole thing, don't. Just hold onto them. The only people who benefit from this influx of cards are stores picking up real cards that people are panic selling.

Just let the tide wash over. Yes, it'll be tough for a bit since people will be used to spotting fakes, but remember, the majority of people are still going to have real cards. Just watch for Near Mint copies of old cards, those are really the only ones that you need to be MORE worried about.

If you need to still pick up near mint new cards, trade with people you know and trust, and make sure you own legitimate copies prior to going to some random on some forum board.

-Matt

But why wait for the fakes to become a worry?

I'm considering selling a large amount of my collection because of this. They're not good enough now, but what about a year from now? 3 years? 5 years?

Rumor has it that a large shipment is being sent out on January 19th.