I am playing in an IQ sunday and as I havent been able to get a BUG list together that I really like I will probably just play my fire list.
4 grove of the burn willows
2 bayou
1 taiga
1 badlands
3 verdant catacombs
3 wooded foothills
3 swamp
2 forest
1 mountain
1 phyrexian tower
1 kessig wolf run
4 veteran explorer
1 scavenging ooze
2 eternal witness
1 huntmaster of the fells
1 thrun, the last troll
1 thragtusk
1 primeval titan
4 green sun's zenith
4 cabal therapy
2 thoughtsieze
2 gitaxian probe
3 liliana of the veil
3 pernicious deed
3 sensei's diving top
3 punishing fire
3 abrupt decay
SB
2 blood moon
2 slaughter games
2 surgical extraction
2 golgari charm
1 abrubt decay
3 red elemental blast
2 duress
1 garruk, primal hunter
My guess for the meta will be lots of delver and stoneforge decks so I think jund may actually better suited for it anyway, but I really want to figure out a bug list to play eventually here.
What are some ppls sideboards right now? mine has been smth like this for a while now but in a larger event I may want to stream line the board better than when I play in a 20 person weekly.
Has anybody been running 1 or 2 deathrites main in a fire list and if so how have they been? My main concern is that in reality there seems to be few times that I actually want to gsz for ramp that I want DRS more than vet but in the case of grave hate I could see it being useful...
My other concern is that with 2 probes, plus 2 TS main I have actually pretty few win cons for some matchups, specifically decks with swords to plowshares so what are some ppl are running, I have a garruk in the board for slower decks but a decent gsz target would be nice. Is anybody on broodmate still?
You could try looking at my list and the pertinent discussions of the PFire version in the last several pages. Should answer a lot of your questions.Originally Posted by Tom4ik
Just chill on the BUG versions until Khans comes out. I'm sure there'll be some toys that will revolutionize bug-colored iterations in that set.
I'll be at the SCG Invitational tomorrow doing battle. I won't specify exactly my list or which subversion I'll be playing, but let's just say that I'm keeping up my end of the deal as part of the family. Expect a report(s) when I return. Hopefully I can get a camera match =D
I'll be cheering for you buddy. Agreed though, definitely looking forward to new BUG and Junk goodies in Khans.
@HoneyT
-Your list uses choke instead of carpet of flowers do you still like choke over flowers even with an additional 6 drop and a 4th sdt to sink mana into?
- This may not be a consideration for you (in my weekly it is for me) but thoughts on your lands/depths match up? no answer to marit lage?
-I actually am liking the Kgrip over the 4 decay in the board
@Arianrhod
- Good luck
- The bug deck has kind of just become my project, trying to make a BUG control deck with vet. So many options but havent seemed to put anything together, the vet walkers build I tried seemed very interesting but played out very different than what I was anticipating. I have some ideas but I guess in a month we can see if anything more has been added.
My latest punishing Fit list:
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Mountain
1 Savannah
1 Wooded Foothills
2 Badlands
2 Forest
3 Bayou
3 Swamp
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Thragtusk
2 Eternal Witness
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Garruk Relentless
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Batterskull
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Diabolic Edict
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Punishing Fire
2 Thoughtseize
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
SB: 1 Reclamation Sage
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Kitchen Finks
SB: 1 Dryad Militant
SB: 1 Toxic Deluge
SB: 1 Golgari Charm
SB: 2 Slaughter Games
SB: 3 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Thoughtseize
I took down 2 weekly with it.
I have beaten Dredge 2-1, Merfolk 2-0, Jund 2-0, BUG Shardless 2-0, Burn 2-1, Miracle 2-0, D&T 2-1, Deadguy 2-0, S&T 2-1, Patriot Delver 2-0
The list is tuned for an unknown meta (as a lot of players own a lot of different decks and you never know what they are going to play).
M.D Ghost was featuring 2 DRS in his list during a long time (1 MD & 1 SB) and was very happy with it.
Few comments about the latest change I made to my list:
1) Dryad militant was moved to SB.
2) Thrun & Primeval got the axe.
3) Batterskull is now included MD as the late game "finisher"
4) Garruk relentless has replaced Garruk, primal hunter
5) No utility lands (got cut with Primeval)
6) 2 diabolic edict are now included MD
7) Gaddock is now played in SB and a savannah is included MD.
This list is more Maveryish than others, but I like it. Having access to different pieces of hate with 4 GSZ is really powerful:
- Dryad was MVP against dredge
- Huntmaster can "race" a Grisel. First game (knowing the opp was on S&T) I kept a mulligan to 4 with 2 lands 1 edict 1 Huntmaster. He slamed Grisel off a S&T on turn 2 and I was able to grind him out with the Hunt and the tokens... Game 2, I mulled into oblivion and G3 was not even close as I had one of the best hand vs combo (cabal, vet, TS, surgical, 1 forest, 1 fetch, 1 slaughter game).
- Gaddock has yet to prove itself but I'm sure he will, eventually.
- Finks was good where I was not expected it (mainly for burn match and to go aggro against combo) but finally it really shined in fair matches (D&T, Jund, Shardless). Didn't see him against burn, Thragtusk & BSK were enough to seal the deal on their own...
- Sage won me an unwinnable game against D&T where I had to cope with an avenger equiped with BSK. He did also some good work against Merfolk dealing with a Jitte.
@Ralf
So you've cut the 4th Top. Thought it was compulsory to punshing fit.
I like the 1off Savannah/Teeg. Gives me a reason to play my beta savannah (!)
2 Thoughtseize and the 2 diabolic edicts main, mind explaining these?
Tom, I'll be there with my Rector list on sunday. Hopefully I do better then the last time. 0-3 to sneak/show, miracles and ant.
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Thoughtseize
To improve the odds of beating combo.decks G1. 14 black mana sources help a lot when it comes to T1 = swamp + discard. Furthermore, this discard configuration gives access to some pretty devastating starting hands with CT + TS.
This was also a personal choice to free up to 2 slots in the sideboard for hate bears instead of the usual 3 or 4 TS come in from the side against combo.
Diabolic edict
In a lot of MU, I have found that sometimes I was missing a fundamental and very crucial turn to take control of the game, either:
- to get punish going
- to stabilize
- to kill the strong T2 threat of my opponent (protected either by counter or because my removal was discarded during opponent T1)
So I felt like I needed an extra cheap but powerful removal.
Pulse is good but cannot always be online T2. So I cut it.
Diabolic edict was the next logical choice. Innocent blood has also been considered because of its CMC & inherent synergy with veteran but the sorcery speed thing is relevant in some match up and in late game diabolic edict > IB.
Subsequently, it also has strenghtened one of our worst MU = Show & Tell.
How about great stable stag? too lame?
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I wish we had something like phyrexian or Mirran crusader in green instead...
Stag is.... No, Stag does not belong to this deck
I wish we had something like gaea's revenge but less then 7 mana.I wish we had something like phyrexian or Mirran crusader in green instead...
Stag is.... No, Stag does not belong to this deck
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I like the diabolic edict, will probably run 2 though not sure if MD or in the board. I will probably replace the 2 probes for something but not sure, I like being able to create bootleg TS off of probe therapy. My only concern is giving up 2 slots for the effect. I have rarely been unhappy with them but they are also pretty low power overall...
Has any body (I am assuming this would most likely be you Jbone as your on rector) used chains in the board? I had it in there for a while but it never seemed to do as much as I hoped and it does fall to deed. If anybody swears by it I could throw that in the side.
What I also like about edict is that it could help the lands matchup. Not sure why my local is infested with it (The SCG KC had 2 top 16 lands decks and both of those players play here) so I like to have some answer to that deck, I played Rw painter wed and turn 1 blood moon against it felt sweet :) I will probably not run my blood moons sunday as they are basically for lands or shardless as I dont like spending a turn mooning delver, at least the rug variant. Has not worked as often as I would like.
Diabolic edict are great, really. Could be a meta-call but since the two last weekly, they are gonna stay for a while. It feels like I have "lost" some power in the very late game (less bombs) while strenghtening the early game. If your field is a combo/tempo one (as mine), there is "no" late game...
Dealing main deck with Marit or Kukul is no joke.
Huntmaster / Ooze / BSK have taken the 'lead'.
In grindy MU, Ooze/ BSK are my punching machines, usually a 8/8 or 10/10 vanilla bear or a 5/5 veteran vigilance lifelink.
In combo MU, Mr Hunt is the Boss. 3 or 4 turn clock. But still, I'm looking for another cheaper clock MD which could be useful in other MU.
There is Tarmo or Strangleroot Geist. I will likely test Geist as my 61th card.
I'm a fan of chains in Pox but never got to use them in Nic Fit. Jund players usually put 1/2 in the side and replace their 1/2-of Sylvan library in relevant MU. Space is tight. I could see it relevant but you would need 2 of them, at least to improve the odd of seeing one.
Hey guys,
First time poster on the Nic Fit threads. I am on Jund (non-Nic Fit) right now and I am thinking of making a switch to Nic Fit because I really like the idea of a toolbox deck with lots of utility cards.
The BUG version of Nic Fit interests me the most, however I have seen a bunch of posts saying to hold off on BUG until Khan is released.
I am playing in the open on Sunday and would like to try and bring Nic Fit with me if at all possible. Does anyone have any suggestions as far as a Nic Fit version for someone like me?
Thanks.
The punishing fire lists should be very easy to transition into from Jund (there have been a few lists in the last couple pages). I'd say that's your best shot on short notice.
The BUG pod lists are awesome but definitely take some practice to get the hang of, it's a deck where you really have to be thinking a few turns out as well as know how to respond with all of your one-of's.
Ralf, without the titan have you found late game gsz less effective? Usually titan is game where hunt and ooze both die to most of the removal spells (swords, decay, bolt). being able to grab double groves is usually good enough to stabilize most board states though i have been recently not liking the wolf run though I used to love it so i am assuming its just some varience in game states leading to those feelings.
I saw some old jund lists played an underground sea with swan song in the board for combo matchups. Thoughts on a trop -> 2/3 song, basically replace the sideboard discard and open the post board matchups with that out of the side. Too deep?
Bryanzoll- what type of bug version are you looking at? I'm trying to make a non-pod version so i have some thoughts on that but none on pod decks.
Jund runs twice as many fetches and has Deathrite Shamans. I also can't imagine it panned out too well.
If I ran smth like that I would also move 2 drs into the main to facilitate as well. So with gsz it would help you land a deathrite if you didnt see a fetch. I think the main idea wouldnt be would it be hard to produce a blue mana (that can be done) it would be would the swan song be useful enough to commit that many slots to. sounds like you think it wouldnt so thats fair. I didnt know if anyone had seen those or heard that or not.
Well, another thing to consider is that after all of these changes, how much better is Swan Song than your basic Duress or Reb?
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