[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

[MD.Ghost]

Nice brewing guys!

I really like the Rhinos but i would cut one for a Garruk Relentless (i still like his abilities here). I also see a Taiga as the right choice. Without Vindicate i would run 1 Library and 1 Pulse, because both are very important vs Miracle! I like Liliana in Jund Fit, but i agree with Ralf - double black seems to hard..

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Me and my best friend brewing about the common Punishing build with Tasigur and we got some nice results at testing. But it is too early for the discussion here. I will play the stuff the next local tournament for more real results. For me the current meta looks perfect for the red build. Blasts, Slaughter Games etc. seems the way to go against Omnishow, Miracle etc. - all the other fair decks are most of the time good matchups anyway.

[Kanti]

Any thoughts on a how a saucy Destructive Flow list would look like? I'm pretty sure it would start off with 3 DRS/3 Vet just to pump out t2 Flows every once and again. t1 Vet, t2 Therapy for Force, land Flow also seems strong.

[Warden]

I'm really looking at playing Nic Fit. The 4C lists and discussion on the previous page are fascinating. I'll actually have to test the deck but I'm looking at:
3 Veteran
3 DRS
3 Rhino
1 Witness
1 Scooze
/11

4 GSZ
4 Cabal
4 Deed/Toxic
3 Top
3 Decay
1 Recurring
/19

From here, I can't figure out what to do. Part of me says go Junk and splash red. Going Jund means you push pfires-grove and I'm not sure that's what I necessarily want.

[sdematt]

Groves is hard on the manabase, plus you need to actually connect A+B to get it all working. That's the problem I've been finding, even when playing Jund/Jund Fit. Having red IS super nice, though.

-Matt

[Bobmans]

Any thoughts on a how a saucy Destructive Flow list would look like? I'm pretty sure it would start off with 3 DRS/3 Vet just to pump out t2 Flows every once and again. t1 Vet, t2 Therapy for Force, land Flow also seems strong.

Destructive Flow. The more i think about working on a list that will make this work the more my head start to spin. The cards mechanic is conflicting with the core strategies of anything i can think of PFire NicFit (Groves), ScapeWish (Valakut) or even Jund Depths (Depths, Stage). The last one runs Wasteland and Life from the Loam that could altogether serieusly lock down opponents, but still a lot of the DtB run enough basics to not care. Altogether i think i would rather run Blood Moon. Also the lack of (room for) Wasteland makes that it kinda suc.

[uncletiggy]

Sleeved up the four color build last night and noticed I was out of huntmasters gonna be trying a courser in his place. Off the top of my head im on.

4 vet
2 deathrite
1 scooze
1 witnes
1 courser
1 thrun
1 sigarda
4 rhino

4 decay
3 pfire
2 deed
4 cabal
3 liliana

3 gsz
3 top
1 intent
1 nightmare

22 lands

Likely to cut one lili for the zenith playing three feels like sacrilege but I really want to see Lily so I can determine if she does whats needed of her.

[Warden]

@uncletiggy: I'd shave intent and 1 liliana for 2 toxic deluge and run that. I'm all about deluge ruining opponents right now.

[uncletiggy]

I'll definetly keep that in mind it's however more likely if I shave those numbers one of the cards becomes the fourth zenith. I also am fairly in love with g charm so it'd be a toss up between the third deed g charm and deluge for that spot.

[Bobmans]

Today is a good day, i finally got my PFire list full Japanese. I posted some images in the pimp thread


UPDATE: 27-05-2015
My list is currently:

4 Veteran Explorer
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Thrun, the last troll
1 Thragtusk
2 Stormbreath Dragon

4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top

4 Cabal Therapy
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Punishing Fire
1 Kolaghan's Command
1 Maelstrom Pulse

3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Vraska the Unseen

4 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Wooded Foothills
1 Bloodstained Mire
2 Bayou
1 Taiga
1 Badlands
3 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Mountain
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Phyrexian Tower

Sideboard:
3 Carpet of Flowers
2 Thoughtseize
2 Extirpate
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Slaughter Games
1 Pithing Needle
1 Krosan Grip
1 Golgari Charm
1 Toxic Deluge


OUTDATED:
Some choices:
MD Slaughter Games: I have been seeing a lot of ANT, Miracles and S&T variants and wanted a better Game 1 versus those decks. Plus that being uncouterable is pretty relevant in this "blue" meta and that extracting something out of a deck is never bad against any matchup.
Pithing Needle and Diabolic Edict: Marit Lage, basicly any deck running Depths is pretty difficult to prevent losing from. Especially Turbo Depths and Dark Maverick are difficult to combat. Plus that both cards are solid in a lot of other matchups aswell.

Things to try soon (just for the fun of it):
Meh, to slow when relevant: Ruric thar, the unbowed
Still needs testing: Harbinger of the Hunt: the ability to blow up the field and it having flying seems legit. Yes, it dies to bolt, but who cares...
Not interesting: Savage Ventmaw

[Echelon]

Harbinger of the Hunt: the ability to blow up the field and it having flying seems legit. Yes, it dies to bolt, but who cares...

Well, something you just invested 5 mana in getting killed by something your opponent spent 1 mana on is pretty awesome... But that's a bit of a meta call. If you expect little red, it shouldn't be that much of a problem.

Also, it gets killed by blocking or getting blocked by a Delver. That's always fun.

Also, this reeks of The Danger Of Cool Things. Especially the Ventmaw, it's strictly a win-more card. For one less mana you can have Sigarda on the field and swing a couple of times for the win.

[Bobmans]

Well, something you just invested 5 mana in getting killed by something your opponent spent 1 mana on is pretty awesome... But that's a bit of a meta call. If you expect little red, it shouldn't be that much of a problem.

Also, it gets killed by blocking or getting blocked by a Delver. That's always fun.

Also, this reeks of The Danger Of Cool Things. Especially the Ventmaw, it's strictly a win-more card. For one less mana you can have Sigarda on the field and swing for the win.

It is always cool to try stuff before snap judging it to the litter bin. Again, arguing that stuff dies to bolt is rather boring. I'd rather see my stuff get bolted then Swords to Plowshares. Eternal Witness and Volrath's Stronghold are cards to? And who in the worlds wants to block or gets block by Delver insect, theres just tons of stuff in this deck to get rid of the silly insect. Plus Harbringer can blow it up aswell. And offcourse there is the Sigarda argument. The bitch is white... I really cannot get behind that you are arguing why i shouldn't be doing cool stuff that seems to weak or is to mediocre to be competative. Wheres the fun to play conservative. Is it wrong doing things "different"?

[Megadeus]

I'd rather play Broodmate tbh. Makes 2 dudes, neither dies to bolt, doesn't "die" to STP because two guys, 8 power in the air is a lot. Also passes the Jace/Liliana Test. Also is pretty powerful with the 2 towers making a 4/4 every turn.

[Myelectronicdays]

Today is a good day, i finally got my PFire list full Japanese. I posted some images in the pimp thread

My list is currently:

4 Veteran Explorer
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Thrun, the last troll
1 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan

4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top

4 Cabal Therapy
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Punishing Fire
2 Slaughter Games
1 Maelstrom Pulse

3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Vraska the Unseen

4 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Wooded Foothills
1 Bloodstained Mire
2 Bayou
1 Taiga
1 Badlands
3 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Mountain
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Phyrexian Tower

Sideboard:
3 Carpet of Flowers
2 Thoughtseize
2 Extirpate
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Pithing Needle
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Krosan Grip
1 Golgari Charm
1 Toxic Deluge


Some choices:
MD Slaughter Games: I have been seeing a lot of ANT, Miracles and S&T variants and wanted a better Game 1 versus those decks. Plus that being uncouterable is pretty relevant in this "blue" meta and that extracting something out of a deck is never bad against any matchup.
Pithing Needle and Diabolic Edict: Marit Lage, basicly any deck running Depths is pretty difficult to prevent losing from. Especially Turbo Depths and Dark Maverick are difficult to combat. Plus that both cards are solid in a lot of other matchups aswell.

Things to try soon (just for the fun of it):
Ruric thar, the unbowed: Will it be a bomb, or will it just sux hard against combo/control matchup's.
Harbinger of the Hunt: the ability to blow up the field and it having flying seems legit. Yes, it dies to bolt, but who cares...
Savage Ventmaw: not sure why, but i just want to see if getting tons of mana will be worth anything, especially with harbringer on the field.

fantastic! looks great! I am trying out your exact same list right now and I love it..

[Bobmans]

I'd rather play Broodmate tbh. Makes 2 dudes, neither dies to bolt, doesn't "die" to STP because two guys, 8 power in the air is a lot. Also passes the Jace/Liliana Test. Also is pretty powerful with the 2 towers making a 4/4 every turn.

Sure, this is all true. With 0 expectations about the newly printed dragons i am gonna put them to the test. To be or not to be...

[Bobmans]

fantastic! looks great! I am trying out your exact same list right now and I love it..

Cool, is that on MTGO or paper?

[Myelectronicdays]

right now on paper.. but i only get out to play like once or twice a month.. ive been super tempted to just sell a couple cards from my binder that i never use so i can play it on modo.

i can be convinced i think to buy it modo... if i did.. i'd love to record some matches with it.

[OCPunisher]

Here is the updated MD list:
11 white sources, 12 red, 14 black and 15 green. If the SB turns out to be whiter than redder, I guess the mana base would have to be adjusted again.


3 Veteran Explorer
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Eternal Witness
4 Siege Rhino
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Scavenging Ooze

3 Punishing Fire
1 Recurring Nightmare
3 Pernicious Deed
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Vindicate
3 Sensei's Divining Top

4 Grove of the Burnwillows
2 Scrubland
1 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Badlands
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Bloodstained mire
1 Plains
2 Forest
3 Swamp


Happy to discuss.

Gonna sleeve this monstrosity up for tonight's Legacy FNM event. Will report how it goes on Monday.

[jbone2016]

Small event today with some horrible matchup.
Lost to elves in 3. Lost the third game to 1/1 since my humility was in play.
Lost to omni-tell in 3. Aven mindcensor is reasonable against them.
Bye.
Beat sneak/show in 3. Containment priest is a house.
Lost to tins fins in 3. Found no good hate the third game. Mulliganed 4 times in this match.

[Echelon]

Wheres the fun to play conservative. Is it wrong doing things "different"?

You do know I'm the guy who runs a build with Summoner's Egg and Emrakul & assorted friends, right..? I honestly believe hardcasting Elesh Norn is a viable game plan (in my build at least). Last tournament I heard someone on a table next to me say "Hearing the things you're doing makes me think we're playing EDH", lol. I believe what he heard was me feeding an Egg to Phyrexian Tower (which I topdecked), revealing an Emrakul and after that hardcasting Elesh Norn with mana open to pay for an eventual Daze. That made my day

Trying different stuff is fine but no reason to disregard any form of logic. This is "it's big and green so we can Natural Order for it" in the Elves! section all over again. Yes, there are a lot of cool things out there but none of them do the job better than Craterhoof To The Face (TM). Especially if your replacement dies to a number of common cards the last option was immune to, even if it was OMGWTFBBQ-awesome in your mind...

[Bobmans]

Trying different stuff is fine but no reason to disregard any form of logic. This is "it's big and green so we can Natural Order for it" in the Elves! section all over again. Yes, there are a lot of cool things out there but none of them do the job better than Craterhoof To The Face (TM). Especially if your replacement dies to a number of common cards the last option was immune to, even if it was OMGWTFBBQ-awesome in your mind...

What's problem against it really? This isn't the Elves thread. I am taking a perfectly tuned list and change a couple of creatures to ones that wouldn't make the cut. Nothing illogical about just doing it instead thinking about why not to. I just wasnt feeling for discussing the obvious flaws like "bolt kills it" or whatever. Now i've end up in an even worse discussion. The worst thing that can happen is that the cards turn out exactly as predicted, but then at least i can say that i actually tried it instead of only having stupid discussions about it.