[Deck] Sneak and Show

[kharonte666]

Yes 4c delved. Thank you so much, I'll take this as a suggestion!

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[trolliver]

Anyone had any success with this deck lately? I have played it for soon 6 weeks and cant say im overly happy with the deck... Will play tomorrow and hope i can post some good results...

[RhoxWarMonk]

Anyone had any success with this deck lately? I have played it for soon 6 weeks and cant say im overly happy with the deck... Will play tomorrow and hope i can post some good results...

I don't mean any offense by this but 6 weeks is such a short amount of time to play a brand new deck you don't have experience with. I remember picking up new legacy decks in the past and it would take me a solid 50+ games to get a decent handle on how to play. Especially in legacy, where the decisions over the first few turns can really make or break the game.

I don't have much experience with this deck, so I cannot really comment on your exact question but I'd adhere to patience when building/playing new legacy decks. In my experience, I usually play very poorly when I first start piloting a new deck but it gets much better as I gain more experience and I've been playing magic since the Ice Age days...

[mariobross]

Hi,
I read the advice of JPA and they seemed very useful,
I wanted to ask how to side with the list posted by JPA versus: miracle , BUGdelver and BUGshardless and storm .

and where you play more the TTB .

Thank you very much for your helping and patience

[JPA]

I wanted to ask how to side with the list posted by JPA versus: miracle , BUGdelver and BUGshardless and storm .

and where you play more the TTB .

Miracles: -1 Intuition, -1 Misdirection, -3 Gitaxian Probe, -2 Lotus Petal, +1 Flusterstorm, +2 Red Elemental Blast, +1 Sudden Shock, +1 Wipe Away, +2 Through the Breach

BUG Delver (you want Pyroclasm against the Dark Confidant version, this guide is for the more common Hymn-Liliana-build): -1 Intuition, -2 Force of Will, -1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, -1 Gitaxian Probe, +2 Blood Moon, +1 Flusterstorm, +2 Red Elemental Blast

Shardless BUG: -1 Intuition, -3 Gitaxian Probe, -2 Lotus Petal, -2 Force of Will, +1 Flusterstorm, +2 Red Elemental Blast, +2 Blood Moon, +1 Wipe Away, +2 Through the Breach

Storm (ANT): -3 Gitaxian Probe, -1 Mountain, -1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor, -1 Misdirection, +1 Flusterstorm, +2 Red Elemental Blast, +1 Wipe Away, +2 Grafdigger's Cage (if you know that they sideboard Surgical Extraction / Extirpate, board out 1 Intuition and leave in 1 Gitaxian Probe.)

Through the Breach is at its best in grindy matchups where you want higher threat density and diversity (Shardless BUG, Jund, Esper Blade, Miracles) and against decks that can abuse Show and Tell's symmetry (mirror, Reanimator, Belcher, Aluren, etc.).

[mariobross]

thank you for your advice JPA,

analyzing your side-in I would ask why against Grixys not side Blood Moon athank you for your advice JPA,

analyzing your side-in I would ask why against Grixys not side Blood Moon? Why against BUG not side defense grid (although in this case I am more agree)? and the last, why not pyroclasm against shardless?

I would also like to know what you think of a 1x Boseiju in side due to the increase the number of miracle (we could put Flusterstorm in main instead of misdirection and bosejiu in place in side, it is also perfect with TTB)

[JPA]

analyzing your side-in I would ask why against Grixys not side Blood Moon? Why against BUG not side defense grid (although in this case I am more agree)? and the last, why not pyroclasm against shardless?

I would also like to know what you think of a 1x Boseiju in side due to the increase the number of miracle (we could put Flusterstorm in main instead of misdirection and bosejiu in place in side, it is also perfect with TTB)

You could definitely board Blood Moon on the play against 4c Delver, even though I don't like it. Young Pyromancer paired with infinite Pyroblasts and FoWs is often enough to win through a Blood Moon. I prefer it in matchups where it's game over 90+% it resolves.

Defense Grid is reasonable against the discard-light Stifle/Confidant version, but pretty bad against the discard-heavy Liliana version. You don't want to shut off your defensive Spell Pierces, which are crucial against Hymn/Liliana.

You can board Pyroclasm if you are afraid of Meddling Mage coming out of Shardless' sideboard. I found Through the Breach + bounce spells to be enough to fight Meddling Mage.

I run 1-2 Boseiju in many of my sideboards (I don't have a set 75 at the moment, experimenting a lot with various configurations). It's excellent against Miracles and in the mirror.

[Charsten]

Any practical advise on mulliganing game1? I'm a noob in legacy and have mainly played limited/modern/standard. Mulliganing seems to be much more important in legacy and especially with this deck that I just got in mtgo..

[Daize]

Play a lot. Fail. Get to understand the deck. Read through this thread. Play more. Fail. Get to understand the deck better. Read through this thread. Play more.

[tarmogoat]

Play a lot. Fail. Get to understand the deck. Read through this thread. Play more. Fail. Get to understand the deck better. Read through this thread. Play more.

I am just picking this deck up and this is my plan. Though I'll add the following 2 steps to the loop:

- Watch videos
- Read articles

[mariobross]

Against RUG and UWR, therefore tempo deck without discard spells but with a lot of counterspells, what do you think about this side in/out?

RUG: -1 Intuition, -2 Gitaxian Probe, -1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor, -1 Misdirection, -2 Force of Will, +2 Blod Moon, +2 Defense Grid, +2 Red Elemental Blast, +1 Flusterstorm

UWR: -1 Intuition, -3 Gitaxian Probe, -1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor, -1 Misdirection, -2 Force of Will, +2/0 Blod Moon(if no basic lands), +2 Defense Grid, +2 Red Elemental Blast, +1 Flusterstorm +1 Pyroclasm, +1 Sudden Shock
in this case I have more difficulty because on side has disenchant or W/T and not always in G1 you can understand if he plays or not basic lands for sid-in Blood Moon

also against ANT , I thought to side-in 1 sudden shock and/or a Pyroclasm against xantid or confident ( increasingly used ) or even against the empty worrens although usually do not sid-in against S&S


and finally to end this very interesting part of SIDE IN/OUT It remained to talk about D&T and AggroLoam:

D&T -3 Spell Pierce(probably otp it would remove only 1), -1 Misdirection, -1/0 Jace, the Mind Sculptor, -2 Force of Will +2 Pyroclasm, +1 Sudden Shock, +2 Blood Moon, +1 Wipe Away, +2 Through the Breach

AggroLoam: -3 Gitaxian Probe, -1 Misdirection, -1 Intuition, -1 emrakul, -1 Lotus petal +2 Blood Moon, +2 Through the Breach, +1 Wipe Away, +2 pyroclasm, probably add 1 sudden shock



with this I hope to have concluded (or almost) this interrogation

thank you all, I hope that the advice of JPA and others players with more experience, can be useful to all players who like me want to play this wonderful deck

[kharonte666]

In each of your side in you posted I don't see omniscience...in which matchup are useful? Only reanimator and mirror?

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[JPA]

In each of your side in you posted I don't see omniscience...

The list I used as reference doesn't run Omniscience. Please don't troll me like that.

[mariobross]

list that JPA has taken as a starting point is this: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/344317#online

his advice on side-in/out are referred to this, but the most important thing is that we can take these advices as an example for understand how do to make a sidein/out in generally, with this side or with other side that reflect more our personal way we play....


sorry for my english

[kharonte666]

I'm sorry, I didn't want to troll you, I checked the wrong list. But if I play omniscience do I have to side in only against mirror or reanimator?

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[JPA]

But if I play omniscience do I have to side in only against mirror or reanimator?

I wrote a paragraph about Omniscience two weeks ago. I'll copy it for you.

Omniscience is great against Miracles (or any UWx deck that runs Containment Priest), Death and Taxes (gets around Karakas by casting Emrakul), the mirror (lets you keep in 2 Show and Tells and win via Show-Omni-Emrakul) and to less effect Reanimator (where it still gets eaten by Ashen Rider) and Storm (lets you either win or the spot with Emrakul or cast all your counters for free).

[JPA]

Just won the Legacy MOCS. More info to follow.

[JPA]

Alright, so I won the last Legacy MOCS yesterday, qualifying me for Pro Tour Shadows over Innistrad and the Magic Online Championship.

This is the list I played, pretty similar to my GPSeaTac list:

4 Preordain
4 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Griselbrand
4 Show and Tell
4 Lotus Petal
4 Force of Will
4 Spell Pierce
4 Brainstorm
4 Sneak Attack
4 Ponder
1 Misdirection
3 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Volcanic Island
3 Island
1 Mountain
1 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta
1 Misty Rainforest

Sideboard:
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
1 Wipe Away
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Omniscience
2 Blood Moon
2 Through the Breach
2 Pyroclasm
1 Flusterstorm
1 Sudden Shock
1 Red Elemental Blast

191 players, 8 rounds + Top 8

I might watch the replays and write a proper report, but here are my matchups for now:

Round 1 UG 12post 2-0
Round 2 Esper Blade 2-0
Round 3 Miracles 2-1
Round 4 Merfolk 2-0
Round 5 Grixis Delver 2-1
Round 6 BUG Delver 0-2
Round 7 UG Infect (Olle Rade) 2-1
Round 8 Lands (Daryl Ayers) 2-1

Quarterfinals BR Reanimator 2-0
Semifinals Miracles 2-1
Finals Elves (Andrew Cuneo) 2-0

[Daize]

Back to 4 Preordains eh? How did that go?

[RhoxWarMonk]

Congrats on the great finish JPA, well done! I too would like to know how the 4x Preordains worked for you. Ever wish they were Git Probes? Wondering if I should try the Preordain plan instead but I am a fan (in general) of Probes.

Was there anything (either SB or main) that you would have changed going forward? I'd love a tournament report, if you have time.

Cheers and congrats again!