[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

[Jain_Mor]

As well as Seismic Assault, Borborygmos Enraged is Zenithable, and goes infinite in the same manner with Gitrog + Dakmor Salvage, but also rather mana intensive.

If we don't have the ton of mana required, is there any other relatively simple way of getting a Borborygmos or Seismic Assault into play if we just mill our entire deck? Because chucking everything in the bin is simple enough if we have Salvage and Gitrog, since Wild Mongrel is zenithable.

Unburial rites?
Stick everything in the bin, use the cabal therapies you find to get rid of FoW or whatever with your mongrel and other random creatures (dryad arbor, narcomeba?) then reanimate old Borby boy and Borbs your uncle.

If you need it, memory's journey to stop yourself from decking if you have to pass the turn.

[dave78pdx]

Dryad Arbor... that's a card I forgot about... Sac to Cabal Therapy or Phyrexian Tower with Bigfrog on the board. Or, just a chump block.

[Bobmans]

First draft:


3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Karakas
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Dark Depths

4 Veteran Explorer
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
1 Courser of Kruphix
3 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
1 Thragtusk
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 The Gitrog Monster

4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Life from the Loam

4 Cabal Therapy
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Maelstrom Pulse



Junk seemed the most solid choice to abuse lands. KotR, Karakas and Horizon Canopy made most sense to me. The list is both very close to being NicFit, but also go into a more Loam like play. Most of the land base is a mix of NicFit and Maverick as i played it. Before exploring anything deeper then this i want to test it.
Diabolic Intent is solid here, mainly because of Life from the Loam.
Horizon Canopy + SuperFrog get you 2 draws, which seems nice. Canopy can also fix mana.
KotR makes it possible to abuse the land base in conjunction with the frog. Adding DD/Stage enable another (very solid) line of play that is supposed to enable a win now button.
Titania (plus Sylvan Safekeeper) is another way to power out the land abuse.
Also with Meren, Arbor, Safekeeper, Courser, Nissa, Titania, KotR, Loam and whatnot i see soo many techy lines, synergy and mini combo's.

Edit: i do not want to add Wasteland in here since we are not trying to be a prison deck or attack the manabase. I did, however, think about Ghost Quarter to attack basics coming out of Dora. Crop Rotate might be a nice touch aswell indeed like Jain_mor said. Maybe something like Fatal did in his Cloudpost NicFit.

[Slacker]

First draft:


3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Karakas
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Dark Depths

4 Veteran Explorer
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
1 Courser of Kruphix
3 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
1 Thragtusk
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 SuperFrog

4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Life from the Loam

4 Cabal Therapy
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Maelstrom Pulse

Junk seemed the most solid choice to abuse lands. KotR, Karakas and Horizon Canopy made most sense to me. The list is both very close to being NicFit, but also go into a more Loam like play. Most of the land base is a mix of NicFit and Maverick as i played it. Before exploring anything deeper then this i want to test it.
Diabolic Intent is solid here, mainly because of Life from the Loam.
Horizon Canopy + SuperFrog get you 2 draws, which seems nice. Canopy can also fix mana.
KotR makes it possible to abuse the land base in conjunction with the frog. Adding DD/Stage enable another (very solid) line of play that is supposed to enable a win now button.
Titania (plus Sylvan Safekeeper) is another way to power out the land abuse.
Also with Meren, Arbor, Safekeeper, Courser, Nissa, Titania, KotR, Loam and whatnot i see soo many techy lines, synergy and mini combo's.

:D That's almost exactly the build I've been tweaking and playing a lot on Cockatrice. Without the Froggy ofcourse. VERY fun to play!

[Jain_Mor]

I like where that is headed, but crop rotation is a card that people have played with before to reliably get phyrexian tower, when you start adding dark depths and life from the loan it gets awfully tempting.

I agree though that KotR and white in general looks promising (as you said karakas and canopy are great)
I wonder what our collective hive mind can come up with. Hopefully it's a deck that has the resiliency and control aspect of standard Junk lists but also has a combo finish

Edit for Bobmans edit (: yea I think I would look at cutting one of the 3 drops and one of the 5 drops (there's just so many!) and try 2 crop rotation, maybe they are awful but it makes veteran explorer so much more consistent and explosive, and it makes the dark depths plan a lot more reliable too. You're also at 60 so you can add one more card from there, probably another removal spell (I'd personally cut the deluge, pulse and a SDT and play 3 path to exile and 3 decay, but that's a whole other discussion haha)

[Koby]

The best perks of white splashes are:
* Swords to Plowshares / Path to Exile
* Sigarda, Host of Herons
* Sun Titan (some builds)
* KotR (other builds)
* Disenchant effects (mainly, Qasali Pridemage or Harmonic Sliver)
* SB anti-storm cards
* Planeswalker builds (Walker Rock)

[Slacker]

My current list, Frog added instead Tusk.

1 Dryad Arbor
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Dark Depths
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
2 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
1 Karakas

4 Veteran Explorer
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Eternal Witness
1 The Gitrog Monster
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
1 Primeval Titan
3 Knight of the Reliquary

3 Pernicious Deed
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Path to Exile
1 Vindicate
1 Life from the Loam

3 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Diabolic Intent
4 Cabal Therapy

[Bobmans]

Edit for Bobmans edit (: yea I think I would look at cutting one of the 3 drops and one of the 5 drops (there's just so many!) and try 2 crop rotation, maybe they are awful but it makes veteran explorer so much more consistent and explosive, and it makes the dark depths plan a lot more reliable too. You're also at 60 so you can add one more card from there, probably another removal spell (I'd personally cut the deluge, pulse and a SDT and play 3 path to exile and 3 decay, but that's a whole other discussion haha)

The list has 61 cards. I counted it, plus the innitial list made in cockatrice (minus the cookie monster).

3 and 5 drops quite a lot. KotR is obviously imprtant here. Nissa may be the weaker link. And so may be Tusk.
Not sure yet. First i want to jam some games with this before changing anything else.

[dave78pdx]

The best perks of white splashes are:
* Swords to Plowshares / Path to Exile
* Sigarda, Host of Herons
* Sun Titan (some builds)
* KotR (other builds)
* Disenchant effects (mainly, Qasali Pridemage or Harmonic Sliver)
* SB anti-storm cards
* Planeswalker builds (Walker Rock)

Siege Rhino (x4, go big or go home)... Gaddock Teeg... Stoneforge Mystic...

[Jain_Mor]

@Bobmans, haha my bad, physics PhD student over here who can't count ;) Happens all the time..

[Bobmans]

@Bobmans, haha my bad, physics PhD student over here who can't count ;) Happens all the time..

Hah, its always the simple things in life.

My current list, Frog added instead Tusk.

1 Dryad Arbor
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Dark Depths
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
2 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
1 Karakas

4 Veteran Explorer
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Eternal Witness
1 The Gitrog Monster
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
1 Primeval Titan
3 Knight of the Reliquary

3 Pernicious Deed
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Path to Exile
1 Vindicate
1 Life from the Loam

3 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Diabolic Intent
4 Cabal Therapy

Looks solid. PrimeTime is a consideration aswell. Seems that your list has slightly more focus, which is a good thing.

[Arianrhod]

Something of note to Scapewish players, as well, about The Toad: he ramps directly into a lethal shift by virtue of his exploration effect, while also being a massive 6/6 draw engine. Admittedly his sacrifice clause hurts the Scapeshift plan, but at the same time, you only NEED so many lands in play, and the deck frequently ends up with a pile of extra lands lying around, beyond what's even needed for Shifting. Once you get to 7+, he actually helps draw you into the kill, which I think is nice.

It bears testing, not sure it'll prove good enough, but it fits in with Scape's overall gameplan nicely.

[Slacker]

Hah, its always the simple things in life.





Looks solid. PrimeTime is a consideration aswell. Seems that your list has slightly more focus, which is a good thing.

Your choice for Horizon Canopy makes me wanna put it back to my list, pretty good without the Froggy but now even stronger. If not playing Paths or Swords, i'd suggest Maze of Ith at least in SB to be ready for Marit Lage of your opponent. I've also played with Dustbowl or a singleton Wasteland which is very nice with Titania, and helps to get rid of annoying Karakas and such.
And from time to time if you gotta go all in and live dangerous, Tomb of Urami is for that. :)

Have a blast testing/tweaking your list!

[Fatal]

I'm almost sure that Frog find place in Aggro Loam for sure. Here it's still very nice value creature which must be StP as soon as possible by opponent which I like. It also can give you instant value by playing right after GSZ/Cast a fetchland which he allow so even with StP in opponent hand we still do 2-for-1 which is great !

About combo With Darkmor Salvage and Sesmic Assult it's more like option for R/G lands or Aggro loam to finish game little faster (still probably not enough fast vs most combo's) since you need to have Frog on table, maybe in dredge, but on the other side you have Beasts like Griselbrand which have lifelink + flying which looks little better :-).

Btw in Junk list you can use some tricks like Flagstones of Trokair, I would also use some wasteland (even 1 !) along with KotR it can be huge vs some decks without basics at all.

[Bobmans]

Have a blast testing/tweaking your list!

[Slacker]

And then some.

[rubblekill]

Wow, that frog is worth considering to say the least. I like it more than Titania especially because he has a stronger body, but unfortunately he suffers from being a legend. I'll test with him asap.

[Jain_Mor]

You know, it might give GB nic fit some legs again.
And if you want to go combo you can play crop rotation instead of the Knights.

[sdematt]

You know, it might give GB nic fit some legs again.
And if you want to go combo you can play crop rotation instead of the Knights.

Knight is also just an amazing beater. Sometimes, you want to suck the will to live from your opponents.

[Sarda'z]

@ Frog-guy and the interection with Dakmor Salvage:

1 - We're not the combo with seismic assault or borbo, but it's indeed GG
2 - Wild Mongrel is a possible GSZ'able engine + kill condition
3 - Retrace cards look very impressive: Raven's Crime / Flame Jab / Worm Harvest / Waves of Aggression (lol this one)

Side notes:

* Cycling lands (Barren Moor / Tranquil Thicket) become 1 mana -> Draw 2
* Crop Rotation and/or KotR become huge. The same goes for Life from the Loam