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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by colo View Post
    It's been a while since I last toyed with the U splash, but I don't think you should so readily dismiss at least Geist of Saint Traft, Spellstutter Sprite, Vendilion Clique and True-Name Nemesis (not saying they should all get a spot, but they are worth considering in general, depending on what you want your build to do). I also always felt an urge to try Thassa, God of the Sea for her Scry trigger and synergy with Geist, for example.
    Did you ever toy with ephara? The uw god? I thought having access to vial she might be really good against miracles dropping in a creature once a turn possibly to draw some cards?

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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by mykatdied View Post
    Did you ever toy with ephara? The uw god? I thought having access to vial she might be really good against miracles dropping in a creature once a turn possibly to draw some cards?
    I tried that for awhile in UW Taxes in modern. It never quite really worked out there, so I think we'd have a much harder time justifying it in legacy.
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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    No, never considered her; imho doesn't seem strong enough of an effect to warrant a 4-mana investment (or Vial at four).

    Fwiw, there's a Blue and Taxes list with a recent top8 finish posted here: http://www.azmagicplayers.com/event-...p-8-decklists/ (8th place).

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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    As much as I am a big fan of Clique I like the simple splash in that list. A lot more UW in costs. I will say UU is awkward at times. Geist is a house. Suit him up with a sword and you just win quickly. Against enchantress I had a 16 point swing with him using sword of war and peace.

    As for ephara many players have been toying with gideon and other 4 drops against miracles and shardless. Especially against shardless she seems like she could help us keep up with cards.

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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    Ephara is a 4 drop that does literally nothing on its own / when it resolves. That's not strong enough for any format, let alone legacy. I think UW taxes does need to find some source of card selection+advantage (the other splashes have Recruiter, Library, Bob) but that's not gonna be it.

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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by iatee View Post
    Ephara is a 4 drop that does literally nothing on its own / when it resolves. That's not strong enough for any format, let alone legacy. I think UW taxes does need to find some source of card selection+advantage (the other splashes have Recruiter, Library, Bob) but that's not gonna be it.
    I'll let you know.

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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    The whole point of that blue has the most effective lock protection and the most ways to generate tempo on turn 2 compared to the other splashes. You don't need CA if you're 2-3 turns ahead
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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    Hi All,

    First time posting. I have been brewing white stompy nonstop since Thalia 2.0 was spoiled and have settled on a list during the last month that I am very happy with. The deck ended up taking a turn more towards prison, so I thought I would post it here to add to the discussion. I am by no means a death and taxes purist, so I apologize if I am breaking some rules posting a deck that has no ports or vials in this thread.

    The deck is very strong against miracles, delver and storm.. and even the current form of eldrazi stompy.

    Lands: 26

    6 Plains
    4 Cavern of Souls
    4 Ancient Tomb
    4 Eldrazi Temple
    3 Karakas
    3 City of Traitors
    2 Wasteland

    Spells: 10

    3 Mox Diamond
    1 Warping Wail
    1 Jitte
    1 Batterskull
    4 Chalice of the Void

    Creatures: 24

    4 Phyrexian Revoker
    4 Thalia 1.0
    4 Thalia 2.0
    4 Stoneforge Mystic
    4 Thought-Knot Seer
    4 Reality Smasher

    SB: 15

    4 Thorn of Amethyst
    4 Rest in Peace
    3 Dismember
    2 Warping Wail
    2 Winter Orb

    If interested, I can post my sideboard plan. This list is currently 16-3 against miracles on mtgo 2 man tournaments and it feels great having the miracles so much in my favor. Any advice or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Also if I shouldn't post this here, let me know.

    Cheers,

    Rmosto

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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Rmosto View Post
    Hi All,

    First time posting. I have been brewing white stompy nonstop since Thalia 2.0 was spoiled and have settled on a list during the last month that I am very happy with. The deck ended up taking a turn more towards prison, so I thought I would post it here to add to the discussion. I am by no means a death and taxes purist, so I apologize if I am breaking some rules posting a deck that has no ports or vials in this thread.

    The deck is very strong against miracles, delver and storm.. and even the current form of eldrazi stompy.

    Lands: 26

    6 Plains
    4 Cavern of Souls
    4 Ancient Tomb
    4 Eldrazi Temple
    3 Karakas
    3 City of Traitors
    2 Wasteland

    Spells: 10

    3 Mox Diamond
    1 Warping Wail
    1 Jitte
    1 Batterskull
    4 Chalice of the Void

    Creatures: 24

    4 Phyrexian Revoker
    4 Thalia 1.0
    4 Thalia 2.0
    4 Stoneforge Mystic
    4 Thought-Knot Seer
    4 Reality Smasher

    SB: 15

    4 Thorn of Amethyst
    4 Rest in Peace
    3 Dismember
    2 Warping Wail
    2 Winter Orb

    If interested, I can post my sideboard plan. This list is currently 16-3 against miracles on mtgo 2 man tournaments and it feels great having the miracles so much in my favor. Any advice or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Also if I shouldn't post this here, let me know.

    Cheers,

    Rmosto
    Nice list!
    I'd like to try something similar...
    Have you tested displacers?
    I'm interested in the manabase too: have you tried different configurations? are the temples efficient enough?




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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    There should probably be a White Eldrazi thread. The deck is almost exactly 50% DnT, 50% Eldrazi, so it's not a great fit for either thread. Overall I think it's a little closer to Eldrazi than DnT because it's still a Chalice stompy deck and not an Aether Vial deck.

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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    I agree. If someone is willing to write up a primer I will place it where it needs to be.
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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    We could also open up a new thread. My name suggestion is "Eldrazi Taxes", or short, "E.T.", which fits the alien theme of the Eldrazi,

    @Rmosto: Interesting list, but a couple of questions:

    - Are 2 Wastelands enough?
    - Have you tried out Eldrazi Displacer? It's one of the strongest Eldrazi cards and should be in there, too, imho.
    - How has Winter Orb been in the SB, especially with Thalia 2.0?

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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    Oh my fucking god

    http://www.starcitygames.com/article/33482_.html

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    Creature- Human Soldier

    When Recruiter of the Guard enters the battlefield, you may search your library for a creature card with toughness two or less, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle your library.

    She is going to make mono white D&T absolutely insane.

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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    Yep, that card is stronger than Imperial Recruiter even. Gets Flickerwisp and new Thalia, among other things.

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    Welp, I will now likely be ceasing testing Eldrazi taxes to work on the new mono white list. XOXOXOX <3 You, WotC.

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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by iatee View Post
    Yep, that card is stronger than Imperial Recruiter even. Gets Flickerwisp and new Thalia, among other things.
    I can't even fathom yet how good that card is.

    It can summon a flyer army all by itself by grabing Flickerwisp --> flicker it --> grabing Flickerwisp, etc. and helps rebuilding easily after a Terminus. Not to mention Mangara as tutor target is alot more viable now that you don't have to gimp your manabase with red.

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    That card is insane. I haven't played D&T for a while, but that is so good that I'll have to try it.

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    Tee Hee. This is going to be fun.
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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    Hope you guys all realize that your Miracles matchup just went to like 75%-25%.

    People need to start doing research on powerful x/2s at the 1/2/3 spots.

    Also I think the benefits of a splash are still there, but while Red was pretty clearly the most powerful splash until now as it was the only one with this effect, it might not be the best splash color now. When you splash you gain access to thousands of new tutor targets, so the question is what colors have the strongest x/2s.

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    Re: [DTB] Death and Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by iatee View Post

    People need to start doing research on powerful x/2s at the 1/2/3 spots.
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