After some further testing, this is now my exact sideboard too.Originally Posted by jdmdave
Good luck at the GP! Own it! (no pressure :P)
Are you guys bringing in Sphere of Resistance against Miracles?
I bring sphere in against Miracles, Reanimator, UR Delver, Burn, Storm, SnT, Elves, & Bug. Still on the fence if it should come in vs. Grixis and Temur Delver.
I also recieved confirmation from a L2 Judge that I can print out a sideboarding XLS sheet for the GP. I will consolidate the information from the previous 5-6 pages and provide a link.
Game three against storm opponent who has mulligan'd to six. Your hand composition has both pieces of the combo, lotus petal, crop rotation, sylvan scrying, and two lands. Would you keep?
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Windmill slam keep. Worst comes to worst you crop rotate for bog to throw off their inevitable LED -> Infernal or Cabal Ritual chain. Unless its PSI, most storm decks go off t2-t3 these days.
Alright that's good to know. I did end up keeping that hand, but I don't think I was coy enough checking out his graveyard for threshold, so he went with the Ad Nauseam route.
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In fact, you can have a huge book with all your sideboarding notes in it. It just cannot be referred to during the games, only during sideboarding
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If someone wanted to make a really good side boarding guide and send it to me i'll post it in the primer so it's easy to access for everyone.
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Currently Brewing: [Deck] Sadistic Sacrament / Chalice NO Eldrazi
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I'll make an XLS tomorrow and upload it here. It'll include every deck in DTB and established. Also took down a legacy FNM (eldrazi/MUD/eldrazi/UR Delver) and 4-1ed the competitive league with the same 1 NoTW, 1 charm, 1 Deluge, 0 ith, 0 garruk, 0 grip list.
My biggest question mark at this point is whether sphere comes in vs delver decks.
Current thoughts:
* UR - Yes, rationale: this is a glorified burn deck
* Grixis - Yes, rationale: slows down the git probe/therapy/pryomancer value train
* Sultai - No, rationale: Deathrite + mana denial
* 4c - No, rationale: Deathrite + mana denial
2 more paper events had Top 8 finishes. Deck seems to be getting more traction.
@jdmdave you are running 2 NoTW in your main right?
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Correct, here is my locked in and submitted list
Maindeck
* 1 Bayou
* 3 Blooming Marsh (RIP salty Submerge players)
* 2 Verdant Catacombs
* 1 Snow covered forest
* 1 Snow covered swamp (actually kind of iffy on this. Thoughts on making this a 4th blooming marsh/3rd Catacombs)?
* 4 Dark Depths
* 4 Urborg, Tomb to Yawgmoth
* 4 Thespian's Stage
* 1 Sejiri Steppe
* 1 Bojuka Bog
* 1 Ghost Quarter
* 4 Sylvan Scrying
* 4 Duress
* 4 Thoughtseize
* 3 Into the North
* 1 Sylvan Library
* 2 Not of this World
* 4 Lotus Petal
* 4 Elvish Spirit Guide
* 4 Crop Rotation
* 3 Pithing Needle
* 4 Vampire Hexmage
Sideboard
* 4 Sphere of Resistance
* 1 Karakas
* 3 Surgical Extraction
* 1 Toxic Deluge
* 3 Abrupt Decay
* 1 Golgari Charm
* 1 Pithing Needle
* 1 Not of this world
If you cut the Swamp is there a legitimate reason to run any fetches just to pick up 1 Bayou or 1 Forest? You seem to have thin chances against Blood Moon since you don't even run Expedition Maps. How is that manabase working for you? If running Marshes at all I would run full playset.
Speaking of running marshes, I'm looking at adding a 3rd dual land into my main and won't be shelling out for another bayou before the next couple events I plan on attending (including GP Louisville). In its place what do you guys think would be a better 1-of BG land between llanowar wastes (Always comes in untapped), Blooming marsh (not painful), or Overgrown Tomb (fetchable)?
I've also changed up my sideboard plan to no spheres (I really haven't liked them thus far) and wanted to get some second opinions on it. I'd prefer to run chalices but that is the same situation as the 3rd bayou.
3x Abrupt Decay - Catch-all answer
1x Golgari Charm - moon decks, small creature decks
4x Surgical Extraction - Swords decks & combo decks
1x Lost Legacy - Additional extraction effect to come in against swords decks and combo
1x Toxic Deluge - Creature decks
2x Grafdigger's Cage - Storm, Reanimator, Green Sun decks, and Natural Order decks
1x Garruk Relentless - Miracles
1x Karakas - Show and Tell decks , Reanimator decks
@ottoman : Without Sphere OR Chalice you are going to suffer against 1) bulls*** decks such as Belcher 2) Storm.
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XLS with matchup sbding coming tomorrow.
First, I did some scouting today and it seems like there is a HUGE amount of miracles, reanimator, and delver decks. As such, I think the golgari charm should be cut for a more relevant card (garruk, loam, crucible), but what?
Current sideboard:
* 3 Surgical (locked)
* 4 Sphere (locked)
* 1 Karakas (locked)
* 3 Decay (locked...4th?)
* 1 Needle (locked)
* 1 Deluge (locked)
* 1 Not of this world (locked)
* 1 Flex (Garruk: miracles, Loam: miracles/delver, Crucible: miracles, delver, 4th Decay: Miracles, Delver, Drownyard: Miracles)
Second, what are your guys thoughts on jamming the combo on the play vs unknown matchps w/o T1 disruption. Do you go for it or first find out what your opponent is on, then go T2?
Garruk or Crucible. You need a way to grind.
T1 is a gamble. I probably wouldn't do it game 1, as the turn 1 combo puts you so far behind if it fails.
But I mean sometimes you have to go for it. I did it vs shardless and I just hoped they didn't have a force, but I knew what they were on and could STP.
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I can't get a crucible in time, so I'll jam Garruk.
Here is the attached sideboarding guide. Imgur isn't working/the forum won't let me upload an xls, so here we go. It would be great if you guys could give input today as the GP starts tomorrow.
Sideboard
* 3 Abrupt Decay
* 1 Toxic Deluge
* 1 Crucible
* 1 Needle
* 1 Karakas
* 4 Sphere of Resistance
* 3 Surgical Extraction
* 1 Not of this world
Category Deck InOutAggro UR delver 3 decay, 4 Sphere, 1 Karakas1 Bog, 4 Sylvan Scrying, 1 Into the North, 2 not of this worldAggro Goblins 3 decay, 1 needle, 1 deluge, 1 karakas1 Bog, 1 sylvan Library, 2 duress, 2 not of this worldAggro eldrazi 3 decay, 1 deluge, 1 needle, 1 karakas2 duress, 1 bog, 1 sylvan library, 2 not of this worldCombo elves 3 decay, 1 needle, 1 deluge, 4 sphere, 1 krks1 bog, 4 scrying, 1 library, 2 into the north, 1 duress, 2 not of this woldCombo food chain 3 decay, 1 needle, 1 karakas, 4 sphere1 bog, 2 scrying, 1 library, 3 into the north, 2 not of this worldCombo sneak show 1 needle, 1 karakas, 4 sphere1 library, 1 bog, 2 into the north, 1 scrying, 2 not of this worldCombo omnitell 1 karakas, 4 sphere1 library, 1 bog, 1 into the north, 2 not of this worldCombo mirror 1 Karakas, 1 needle, 3 surgical1 bog, 2 not of this worlCombo ANT 4 Sphere, 3 Surgical,2 not of this world, 4 scrying, 1 libraryCombo TEPS 4 Sphere, 3 Surgical,2 not of this world, 4 scrying, 1 libraryCombo Dredge 4 Sphere, 3 Surgical,2 not of this world, 4 scrying, 1 libraryCombo Infect 3 Decay, 1 Deluge, 1 Needle, 1 Karakas2 not of this world, 2 scrying, 1 library , 1 bogCombo Painter 3 decay, 1 needle, 1 karakas 1 bog,2 not of this world, 1 into, 1 scryingCombo 12post 1 Karakas, 1 Needle, 1 Deluge1 bog, 1 library, 1 scryingCombo MUD 3 decay, 1 needle 1 bog,2 not of this world, 1 into, 1 scryingCombo tinfins 3 Surgical, 4 Sphere, 1 Karakas2 not of this world, 4 scrying, 1 library, 1 blooming marshCombo enchantress 3 decay, 1 needle, 1 karakas1 bog, 1 sylvan library, 2 not of this world, 1 scryingCombo aluren 3 decay, 1 needle, 1 karakas, 4 sphere1 bog, 4 scrying, 2 not, 1 into, 1 libraryCombo BR reanimator 3 Surgical, 4 Sphere, 1 Karakas2 not of this world, 4 scrying, 1 library, 1 blooming marshCombo UB Reanimator 3 Surgical, 4 Sphere, 1 Karakas2 not of this world, 4 scrying, 1 library, 1 blooming marshCombo mono red sneakattac 1 needle, 4 sphere, 1 krks1 library, 1 bog, 2 into the north, 2 not of this worldCombo belcher/oops 4 sphere, 1 needle, 1 karakas1 bog, 2scrying, 1 library, 2 not of this worldControl tezzerator 3 decay, 1 needle, 1 crucible1 bog, 2 not of this world, 1 into, 2 scryingControl RG Lands 1 Karakas, 1 Needle, 1 Not, 3 Surgical, 1 Crucible1 blooming marsh, 2 sylvan scrying, 2 into the north, 2 lotus petalControl Pox 3 decay, 1 needle, 1 Crucible2 not of this world, 2 scrying, 1 intoControl shardless 3 decay, 1 del., 1 needle, 1 gar., 3 surg., 1 Crucible4 lotus petal, 2 not of this world, 4 scryingControl miracles 3 dcy, 1 ndle, 1 not, 1 crucible., 3 surg. 4 sph.4 lotus petal, 4 scrying, 3 into, 2 elvish spirit guideMid-Range nic fit 3 decay, 1 deluge, 1 karakas1 bog, 2 not, 1 into, 1 libraryMid-Range maverick 3 decay, 1 Needle, 1 deluge, 1 not, 1 Crucible4 scrying, 1 library, 2 intoMid-Range Jund 3 Decay, 1 Deluge, 3 Surgical, 1 Needle, 1 Crucible4 sylvan, 2 into, 2 notMid-Range Deathblade 3 Decay, 1 Deluge, 3 Surgical, 1 Needle4 scrying, 1 library, 3 intoMid-Range Aggro Loam 1 Karakas, 1 Needle, 3 Surgical, 3 decay, 1 Crucible1 blooming marsh, 4 sylvan scrying, 2 into the north, 2 lotus petalMid-Range deadguy 3 Decay, 1 Deluge, 3 Surgical, 1 Needle4 scrying, 1 library, 3 intoTempo grixis delver 3 decay, 1 Needle, 1 Karakas4 scrying, 1 bogTempo 4 color delver 3 decay, 1 Needle, 1 Karakas4 scrying, 1 bogTempo temur delver 3 decay, 1 Needle, 1 Karakas4 scrying, 1 bogTempo merfolk 3 decay, 1 needle, 1 deluge, 1 karakas4 scrying, 1 bog, 1 intoTempo soldier stompy 3 decay, 1 deluge, 1 karakas4 scrying, 1 bogTempo DnT 3 decay, 1 needle, 1 not, 1 deluge, 1 karakas, 1 Crucible4 scrying, 1 library, 3 into
Last edited by jdmdave; 11-25-2016 at 02:42 AM.
Biggest thing with delver is you are removing scrying instead of crop rotation. Crop rotation is dangerous because if it gets countered you get 2-for-1'd. Against counter heavy decks I would typically remove rotation over scrying. However, this was also in the setting of using Chalice instead of sphere.
Why Karakas against so many delver decks? What are you looking at bouncing? I didn't focus too much on more fringe decks when preparing, because I could decide to interact less and go faster if I needed to.
Good luck in the tournament!
The only thing that comes to mind on his Karakas vs Delver additions is that he may just want an additional come into play untapped land over Bog. I do something similar, but add the second waste effect (Ghost Quarter) in the delver match-ups where bog is dead instead of Karakas. Obviously Bog is somewhat useful if they are on both Goyf and Nimble Mongoose (or the occasional Snapcaster + bounce spell), but that combo of threats/answers is rare nowadays and not a big deal anyway.
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