I was brainstorming some creative, cheap, and underplayed ways to take out that dreaded first turn horde of 1/1 goblins. I don't think that we should be interested in anything over 2cc. See if you can help me out:
(1 Damage)
Red
Bloodfire Dwarf
Breath of Darigaaz
Krark-Clan Shaman (lol)
Rain of Embers (though why would you play this over Pyroclasm?)
Scorching Winds
Tremor
Volcanic Spray (interesting since it has flashback for 1R)
Yamabushi's Storm (though why would you play this over Pyroclasm?)
Black
Dry Spell
(Dark Ritual to cheat mana)
Plague Spitter
Engineered Plague
Green
Sandstorm
Simoon
White
Rain of Blades
(2 Damage)
Red
Pyroclasm
Cave-In
Rough//Tumble
(X Damage)
Red
Devastating Dreams
Earthquake
Rolling Earthquake
Black
Sickening Dreams
(Misc. Token Killers)
Artifact and Land
Powder Keg
Engineered Explosives
Tabernacle at the Pendrall Vale
Gold
Crime//Punishment
Blue
Echoing Truth
Leyline of Singularity
Black
Echoing Decay
Nausea
Outbreak
(Delay Tactics - 2 turns or more - I'm skipping single turn Fog effects)
Red
Smoke
White
Blessed Reversal (a cool idea, no?)
Green
Elephant Grass
Tangle
Respite
So, do you have any other cool ideas for cheap 1/1 token killers?
Last edited by Peter_Rotten; 06-26-2007 at 05:02 PM. Reason: updated list 6/26 - Damn, my list is pretty
Originally Posted by Cavius The Great
Not cheap, but universally useful:
Echoing Truth
Pernicious Deed
Slice and Dice (cycling)
(Goblin Sharpshooter)
"My sky is darker than thine!"
SENTENCED - 1993
Echoing Truth//Echoing Decay
Crime Punishment
Earthquake/Hurricane
Now playing real formats.
Sickening dreams
Devastating dreams
rough/tumble
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~And this is why you lose... First Strike - ROAR! You just paid 4 to kill one creature and fog a Kird Ape.
It is time now, my friends,
To take a stand,
To proudly proclaim what it is that you are fighting for.
Join with us, in the bonds of fellowship and proudly yell:
For Love.
For Peace.
For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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It's a little bizzare, but...
Leyline of Singularity
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale and Crop Rotation.
I think you have to include Ghostly Prison and Propagand under the assumption that they can be accelerated with Ancient Tomb/City of Traitors and the Goblin Tokens are useless if they can't attack.
Edit: Breath of Darigaaz is an awesome find.
Explosives is really good.
Also, you don't have to kill the tokens, as long as you don't die to them. See tax effects.
Hmmm...Blessed Reversal? Neutralizes Goblin tokens for three turns, which is enough for most decks to find a solution. Also note that Sicken and Outbreak act like Dry Spells as well.
EDIT: Erm, I meant Nausea, not Sicken. My bad. Thanks Xero.
Caltrops, Sandstorm and Naseua can take care of 1/1's pretty well. Elephant Grass is cheap and can stop the tokens for a few turns at least.
Team ICBE
Try not to wake up on fire.
I think we should be looking at cards that deal more than 1 damage because those cards also answer hordes of non-token Goblins.
TEAM DRAGONFORCIA-
Ghost ridin' the whip like we invented that shit.
TEAM UNICORN
We're going for number four!
One damage cards also answer turn-one Lackey. The problem is a lack of good, low cc cards that do more than one damage.
Well, 3CC eliminates Bone Flute and Fyndhorn Pollen. So I suppose people will just stick with Isochron Scepter + Hell Swarm until they ban both of them.
But seriously, a lot of these options are just bad against everything that isn't Empty the Warrens. There aren't infinite decks that can run Pyroclasm, Echoing Truth, or Engineered Explosives. So for awhile, we may be reduced to the Sandstorms of the world.
Pyroclasm, Pyroclasm, and oh yeah, Pyroclasm!
(Also the quakes, along with sickening/devastating dreams)
TEAM DRAGONFORCIA-
Ghost ridin' the whip like we invented that shit.
TEAM UNICORN
We're going for number four!
I think the only time warrens is ever a huge problem is when its played turn 1 especially on the play. Therefore, I think leyline of singularity would be a great inclusion into almost any deck having problems with first turn warrens. Against a deck like TES it will only buy you time but for most decks time is all you need. I also think tabernacle with crop rotation was an awesome idea as well and its good against anything with alot of creatures in it but its really more an answer for blue control decks like landstill than for threshold. In time I think each deck will find its answer for warrens that is still good against other things.
To not thirst for power is to be at the mercy of those that do
Hurricane?
info.ninja
Void
Moat
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Jaya
Echoing truth
Echoing decay
Pestilence
Massacre
Bane of the living
Death's-Head Buzzard
Decree of Pain
Hideous Laughter
Kagemaro, First to Suffer
Mutilate
Damnation
Wrath of God
Night of Souls' Betrayal
Infest
Silent arbiter
Howling gale!
Thunderstaff from acceleration.
It doesn't kill them but can be used to boost your own creatures in other matchups.
Tokens gain flying how?
I jsut use Volcanic Spry in red and Nausea in Black.
Maverick: Most of those options cost over two, making them unreliable. Four is right out, while three is risky.
Team Multi-Grain - We're wholesome.
I know that.
I was just trying not to repeat what has already been said. Anyway, the best are :
- echoing truth
- engineered explosives
- engineered plague
- pyroclasm and ersatz
- rolling earthquake and ersatz
The rest is too narrow to be used.
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