Confirmed: Eternal Masters - June 10, 2016

[Ephemeron]

I'm looking forward to imprinting Counterspell on Isochron Scepter in limited and salting my opponent out of the game.

[maharis]

Sinkhole now available.

I could see an uptick in Pox decks from entry level players, as Sinkhole is an minorly expensive part of that deck that had no other applications in Legacy.

Sinkhole has been a little underexplored in the DRS era. Obviously it fights with Hymn to Tourach, and Hymn is much less expensive (and a slightly better topdeck). But if this printing reduces its price appreciably (which is not guaranteed) it's the kind of card more people may take fliers on in their BUG decks.

[H]

Man, not that it matters, but Mesa Enchantress looked so much nicer with the color-shifted boarder. I wish they'd do that again...

[Ephemeron]

Hrmmm, so Port got the shaft unless it's at rare. 14/15 mythics have been revealed but white is still missing their 2nd mythic, so it has to be white.

[alphastryk]

Hrmmm, so Port got the shaft unless it's at rare. 14/15 mythics have been revealed but white is still missing their 2nd mythic, so it has to be white.

Karakas likely counts as the 2nd white mythic, just like Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth counted as a black rare in m15.

I suspect the remaining mythic is colorless. Jitte or Port are both still possibilities there, or I can see port at rare honestly.

[Claymore]

With Wasteland at Rare I can see Port at Rare.

[GenghisTom]

A lot of these cards see common play in Cube/EDH. And you know how much that crowd loooooves alt artwork/black borders/foils. I suspect the Cube/EDH crowd will be the true driver of sales.

I think this is a lot bigger than people imagine. There's a lot of cards that surge past the $10, and even $20, benchmark simply because of casual. The foils in this set are going to be the real money cards. Especially the ones with new art.

[ironclad8690]

Karakas likely counts as the 2nd white mythic, just like Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth counted as a black rare in m15.

I suspect the remaining mythic is colorless. Jitte or Port are both still possibilities there, or I can see port at rare honestly.

Wow, never knew this. Thanks for sharing this information! Guess we can keep our fingers crossed for port.

[PirateKing]

I'm looking forward to imprinting Counterspell on Isochron Scepter in limited and salting my opponent out of the game.

For the draft environment only, I'd think at this point Abrupt Decay will either be included or a glaring omission.

[Whitefaces]

Wow, never knew this. Thanks for sharing this information! Guess we can keep our fingers crossed for port.


Same! I'd all but given up on Port, but it seems mad not to print it for the sake of online. I reckon Port is the last Mythic now.

[Ephemeron]

For the draft environment only, I'd think at this point Abrupt Decay will either be included or a glaring omission.

For sure, Abrupt Decay is exactly the type of card that should be included in a set like this. It's not overpowered because it's not guaranteed to kill most of your opponents best threats like it is in legacy/modern and being uncountable in limited is rarely necessary.

Also, good catch alphastryk!

[Stuart]

Enchantress seems like an odd pick for mythic. I would have expected Berserk.

Also, is Wizards sending spoilers to AV Club? Lol. (http://www.avclub.com/article/heres-exclusive-look-two-cards-magic-gatheringeter-237355)

[Sidneyious]

I like the art on price of progress.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160526/b25492cd42cc1d8e4215d423a3c9ceef.jpg

[Claymore]

Aaron Forsythe squashed the recent rumors of a new constructed format.

[Richard Cheese]

Set looks pretty solid, but man all these rarity changes are messing with my head. Yeah, yeah, I know it's "because limited", but it's still weird. Wildfire Emissary is back with the original RKF art though, which warms my heart in a way few things ever could.

[GreatWhale]

Set looks pretty solid, but man all these rarity changes are messing with my head. Yeah, yeah, I know it's "because limited", but it's still weird. Wildfire Emissary is back with the original RKF art though, which warms my heart in a way few things ever could.

Wildfire Emissary was such an awesome card. I used to run him in a UR CounterBurn deck, I still run UR Delver today because I used to love that archetype. They need Flame Tongue Kavu now and hopefully NOT Shard Phoenix because that would suck to open him as a rare.

[Begle1]

Ancestral Mask is possibly my favorite card ever, seeing that reprinted has made me finally say "best reprint set ever".

This set should be great for Legacy. I sure hope they printed like MM2 and not MM1.

[Bosque]

This set looks pretty sweet and is hitting all kinds of nostalgia points for me. It's really too bad it'll be such an expensive and limited run that it will be difficult to get much sealed play in, it looks fun.

[GenghisTom]

Hard to mess with Tedin's original, but damn the new art on Winter Orb is nice
http://mythicspoiler.com/ema/cards/winterorb.jpg

(edit: oh, because it's Brian Snoddy, of course it's awesome then)

[H]

Hard to mess with Tedin's original, but damn the new art on Winter Orb is nice
http://mythicspoiler.com/ema/cards/winterorb.jpg

(edit: oh, because it's Brian Snoddy, of course it's awesome then)

Best thing they have done in years. Could only be better if it had the original art, but this one isn't bad.

[ReAnimator]

Woooo hooo! Original functionality restored to Winter Orb!

Now 93/94 doesn't need a special errata! one less special rule is always a good thing.

[Stuart]

Yeah, that Winter Orb is fucking gorgeous. Should make a nice foil, too. Nice job Mr. Snoddy.

[GenghisTom]

Woooo hooo! Original functionality restored to Winter Orb!

Now 93/94 doesn't need a special errata! one less special rule is always a good thing.

Yea, I had to do a double take on that one. Blinkmoth Well is back in action now.

[alphastryk]

Woooo hooo! Original functionality restored to Winter Orb!

Now 93/94 doesn't need a special errata! one less special rule is always a good thing.

Hell yes! Time to brew some terrible assymetrical Winter Orb decks

[Dice_Box]

Well Orb just got taken out of Stax... Opens up new possibilities though.

[TsumiBand]

Pardon my ignorance -- how do you make use of the "as long as -this- is untapped" on Winter Orb? Can you just tap it during your opponent's EOT, and then everything just untaps during your untap (because it's all untapping simultaneously)? So like... Icy Manipulator or something better/similar?

[Dice_Box]

Pardon my ignorance -- how do you make use of the "as long as -this- is untapped" on Winter Orb? Can you just tap it during your opponent's EOT, and then everything just untaps during your untap (because it's all untapping simultaneously)? So like... Icy Manipulator or something better/similar?
In short yes. You can make it one sided by untapping it after your opponents untap step.

EDH just got worse..

[maharis]

EDH just got worse..

Impossible.

It's awesome that they restored Winter Orb. Get your Relic Barriers now!

[Arsenal]

rare Mother of Runes reprint (duel deck artwork).

[Richard Cheese]

Pardon my ignorance -- how do you make use of the "as long as -this- is untapped" on Winter Orb? Can you just tap it during your opponent's EOT, and then everything just untaps during your untap (because it's all untapping simultaneously)? So like... Icy Manipulator or something better/similar?

Yeah. In fact, Winter Orb + Icy Manipulator used to be a thing. Throw Kismet and Black Vise in there and you've got yourself a winning combo. No friends, but a winning combo.

[Darkenslight]

Yeah. In fact, Winter Orb + Icy Manipulator used to be a thing. Throw Kismet and Black Vise in there and you've got yourself a winning combo. No friends, but a winning combo.

It's starting to look like you can do this in EMA.

A thing to note - there's going to be around 100,000 boxes of EMA available post-release, so the supply of the major rares/Mythics isn't going to be increased that much, and those heavy-cost foils are going to be worth a bomb.

[GenghisTom]

Omg does this mean I'll finally have proper serf tokens for the cube?

http://mythicspoiler.com/ema/cards/sengirautocrat.jpg

This is the best reprint so far for me

[MasterBlaster]

Maybe Balance for white. Was also going to say Humility but that is on the reserved list.

Hoping we get Mother of Runes and Swords to Plowshares at uncommon.

Got the rarity off on Mother of Runes. Called it on Balance and Swords to Plowshares.

[Arsenal]

Makes sense in the context of Limited to have Mom at rare. If at uncommon, combat would be miserable.

[Barook]

I wrote it a few pages ago that Mom would be rare.

Interesting side note:
They previewed Mom and StP in the same preview. Coincidence? :really: Maybe, but let's remember the old Legacy MILF joke: "Plow their Mom at every chance you get!"


It's starting to look like you can do this in EMA.

A thing to note - there's going to be around 100,000 boxes of EMA available post-release, so the supply of the major rares/Mythics isn't going to be increased that much, and those heavy-cost foils are going to be worth a bomb.
That's how many cards supply of rares and mythics on average?

[[SLAYER]chaos]

That's how many cards supply of rares and mythics on average?

Not sure on rares but I think it should be about 17,000 of each mythic.

[Nocley]

chaos;951521']Not sure on rares but I think it should be about 17,000 of each mythic.

Pulling thoughts out of my head that are probably incorrect, I believe that puts us closer to 20k of each, not counting foils

100K boxes = 2.4M packs = 2.4M mythics/rares. @ 121 of these per sheet, 1 mythic per sheet. 2.4M / 121 = 19834

Each rare is at 2-3x per sheet, right? So roughly 40-60k of each rare. That doesn't seem right to me.

[Finn]

Drafting this set is going to be similar to cube with all the built-in combos.

[phonics]

I wonder why they chose not to have a gp like they did with Modern Masters, it would have been neat.

[Fox]

Brago, King Eternal was just confirmed on twitch by community super league. I'm not sure why this is in EM except that the card says "eternal." :P

[Dice_Box]

Brago, King Eternal was just confirmed on twitch by community super league. I'm not sure why this is in EM except that the card says "eternal." :P
It's a powerhouse as a Commander.

[Scott]

After seeing the first green cards in Eternal Masters I'm expecting them to reprint pretty much the entire Elves! deck at this point. I hope WotC prints the shit out of this set, even if that means the stuff I own now does take a nosedive in value. Moar legacy for everyone!

http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/124/459/200/283/635998971919721726.jpeg

[Meekrab]

chaos;951521']Not sure on rares but I think it should be about 17,000 of each mythic.
17,000 is awfully close to 22,800. What are they odds they print exactly as many of each EMA Mythic as they did of the P9? ;)

[.Ix]

I love the Elves reprints! I think the M15 frame is way better than the 8ED frame IMO, so I'll replace what I can.



Pulling thoughts out of my head that are probably incorrect, I believe that puts us closer to 20k of each, not counting foils

100K boxes = 2.4M packs = 2.4M mythics/rares. @ 121 of these per sheet, 1 mythic per sheet. 2.4M / 121 = 19834

Each rare is at 2-3x per sheet, right? So roughly 40-60k of each rare. That doesn't seem right to me.


Interesting... How do we know there are 100,000 boxes of EMA? How many boxes do they make for the average standard set print run?

[Brael]

Interesting... How do we know there are 100,000 boxes of EMA? How many boxes do they make for the average standard set print run?

It's more accurate to measure by pack because Masters boxes only have 24 packs while normal boxes have 36. The initial order stores get of a set though is I think 6 cases (highest level stores getting even more, but this used to be the max) which is 36 boxes or 1,296 packs. Masters seems to be 3 cases at 4 boxes/case or 288 packs. So just the initial order of a typical standard set should have 4.5x the availability or to put this another way roughly an EMA uncommon equaling a standard mythic in the first couple weeks in terms of availability. Standard gets a much bigger print run than that though as there's redemption and followup orders.

So to answer your question, there are a lot of packs/boxes in the average standard print run.

[jrsthethird]

17,000 is awfully close to 22,800. What are they odds they print exactly as many of each EMA Mythic as they did of the P9? ;)

That's what I was thinking.

[janchu88]

hmm, i still wait for Ancestral Vision to come up in the spoiler.... there still is room. Blue is lacking rares yet compared to other colors and Wrath of God is #38, Brainstorm on #40. So there is either a white card with XYZ in the beginning or a blue Card with AB on #39.... I´d love to see a vision reprint after the unbanning hypetrain

[Barook]

So why is Heritage Druid a rare? Is it really that broken in Limited? Because this seems extremely dumb.

[guillemnicolau]

17,000 is awfully close to 22,800. What are they odds they print exactly as many of each EMA Mythic as they did of the P9? ;)

It's not only about the printing, you have to also think about how many p9 pieces were destroyed or forgotten due to the lack of knowledge in the first years of the game.
22800 lotuses were printed, but there are not 22800 playable/in the market lotuses right now. Maybe there are less than 17000, who knows.

[Di]

hmm, i still wait for Ancestral Vision to come up in the spoiler.... there still is room. Blue is lacking rares yet compared to other colors and Wrath of God is #38, Brainstorm on #40. So there is either a white card with XYZ in the beginning or a blue Card with AB on #39.... I´d love to see a vision reprint after the unbanning hypetrain

Considering the recent unban in Modern, it's far more likely to appear in the next Modern Masters than it is here.

[janchu88]

im pretty sure the set was already planned and went into production before the latest unbannings happened

[iatee]

That actually increases the likelihood of it being in the set, as they wanted this set to be not-Modern-staples.

Edit: Never mind, just reread the conversation and that's what you're implying.

[Noctalor]

So why is Heritage Druid a rare? Is it really that broken in Limited? Because this seems extremely dumb.

A single card able to generate something like 200 green mana in a turn should not be uncommon in the first place.

Still, that's a dick move and heritage will keep that shitty pricetag

[CovenantElite30]

So Port has to be spoiled today right?

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[sampi]

I'm assuming port will be printed. Wouldn't mind grove of the burnwillows either.

[Whitefaces]

So Port has to be spoiled today right?

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The whole set is being revealed in about 30 minutes.

[rubblekill]

http://media.wizards.com/2016/adhfianalodifdj2_EMA/en_EGnAyJ44xH.png

No port it seems?

[Whitefaces]

No Port indeed. Such a slap in the face for players online.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/eternal-masters

[supremePINEAPPLE]

Damn, glad I didn't sell my ports online...

[rubblekill]

No Port indeed. Such a slap in the face for players online.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/eternal-masters

I have to agree. Sphinx at mythic is disgusting though. At this point without port I don't even know how much this set is going to be drafted online.

[Noctalor]

Sphinx as a mythis is nothing short of ridiculous, they could have at least give us some iconic shitty legendary for commander pourpose, that reprint has literally no impact whatsoever...

[Arsenal]

They made Reanimator a thing in Limited, so I'm imagining they want to limit the amount of insane fatties (Robokroma) and just have it mostly be decent fatties (Rorix) to reanimate t2.

[Lejay]

No Port indeed. Such a slap in the face for players online.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/eternal-masters

A spit in the face you mean. And no misdirection either.

[Whitefaces]

A spit in the face you mean. And no misdirection either.

Absolutely, it just doesn't make sense...

[Fox]

No expeditions Port or Misdirection? :cry:
I love how all the colors have archetypes...except white ahaha

[Stevestamopz]

Is there a word for the feeling when you knew *it* wasn't going to happen (it being Port reprinted) but you still hoped and now that it hasn't happened you're absolutely gutted?

Cos that's me.

R.I.P my modo dreams :(

[Lejay]

So many other cards like infernal tutor and exploration deserved it for online's sake. In the end we can't even suppose they focused on paper world because outside the printing of karakas players didn't get much.

[Barook]

At this point without port I don't even know how much this set is going to be drafted online.
I assume it's going to backfire online pretty hard. E.g. the 5 most valulable cards of the set in Paper aren't even a 1/5th of their value online while the boosters are still full price. And that doesn't even take into calculation all those shitty cent cards upped to rare. Playing Limited with this set online is about as valuable as setting your money on fire.

Good thing I stopped caring about Rishadan Port a long time ago. Now I don't have to worry about more Lands and D&T decks popping up, giving my Eldrazi deck trouble. :laugh:

The set started out so promising and then they had to fuck it up with lack of critical reprints and dumb rarity upshifts.

[keys]

What exactly are you supposed to Natural Order for? Regal Force?

[iatee]

Port taking place of Karakas as the mythic money land woulda made so much more sense. Karakas isn't even EDH legal so it's not important for casuals, is worth very little online...

[mrjumbo03]

Man, I really wanted Containment Priest to be in this set so I can have a foil copy.

[CovenantElite30]

RIP mtgo.

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[barcode]

Sphinx as a mythis is nothing short of ridiculous, they could have at least give us some iconic shitty legendary for commander pourpose, that reprint has literally no impact whatsoever...

I KNOW RIGHT? I hate it when they change card rarities for no reason.

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/arb/110.jpg

[Whitefaces]

I KNOW RIGHT? I hate it when they change card rarities for no reason.

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/arb/110.jpg

He means taking a mythic slot, not that the card is and was a mythic.

[barcode]

He means taking a mythic slot, not that the card is and was a mythic.

Everyone's a fucking critic.

[iatee]

Man, I really wanted Containment Priest to be in this set so I can have a foil copy.

Yeah, I was hoping for the same thing. And it woulda actually been kinda flavorful in limited - there's a reanimator theme, and sometimes it gets wrecked by someone's Containment Priest.

[Noctalor]

This doens't look that good to draft to me either, not sure but it feels like there are not enought archetypes, and i generally dislike the reanimator thingy being in almost all color wasting a lot of space for no reason, also a lot of rares are 100% garbage, cards like the enchantress dont belong to this set, there is no way to make use of then in a limited prospective.


I KNOW RIGHT? I hate it when they change card rarities for no reason.

Being garbage in a 10 dollar per booster set should be a good reason to not waste mythic slot for it.

This set started well and ended up poorly, it could have been a nice turnaround for wizard, but they keep fucking the customers up for no reason

[Whitefaces]

Everyone's a fucking critic.

In this case, yeah, they are. It's a ridiculous inclusion, there are plenty of fatties they could print at rare and leave this mythic slot open for something that DESPERATELY needed a reprint.

[barcode]

I should have said: Everyone's an entitled fucking critic.

WoTC could put $100 bills into packs and you people would complain about the folds.

[LegacyIsAnEternalFormat]

This set is horrible. You are most likely not going to get your $10 back by buying a pack. Not buying this set.

They could've included Show and Tell, Imperial Recruiter, Imperial Seal, Rishadan Port, e.t.c instead they put crap like Inkwell Leviathan at rare.
Edit: Also, where is Stoneforge Mystic in this set? Crucible of Worlds? Survival of the Fittest?

[Barook]

Makes me remember the better times when Tom LaPille was gone from Magic (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?22638-YES!-Tom-LaPille-is-gone!)

The archetypes are divided into the ten 2-color pairs. WG is enchantment-themed, hence the Enchantresses. Making Argothian mythic kinda fucks over that plan, though. And where the fuck is Auratog for going ham with Rancor? Missed opportunies all over the place.


I should have said: Everyone's an entitled fucking critic.

WoTC could put $100 bills into packs and you people would complain about the folds.
Thing is that they intentionally screwed up alot of value to get to a certain EV point - in Paper.

Not to mention the extremely low EV online is going to mess with card availability alot. This is likely going to be another, more expensive Wasteland lottery, aka "Tempest Remastered 2: Electric Boogaloo".

[Whitefaces]

I should have said: Everyone's an entitled fucking critic.

WoTC could put $100 bills into packs and you people would complain about the folds.

Hilarious, never heard that before.

The point isn't about value, the online meta is totally skewed around Port being a crazy price. It's such a ridiculous exclusion that I'm genuinely baffled by it. Infernal Tutor too, among some others.

[Bosque]

If this wasn't $10 a pack I would play the hell out of draft and sealed with this set. There's piles of cards I love in this set that I don't get to play with enough. Balance, Braids, Nekrataal, Mogg Fanatic, Fact or Fiction, Serra Angel, Werebear, Winter Orb, Nevinyrral's Disk, etc. It's like nostalgia in a pack with new bad art.

Sadly it's $10 a pack and will have a tiny print run. I hope it is popular enough that WOTC will see fit to continue doing things like this but perhaps print more, and lower the cost.

[ironclad8690]

I actually played D&T with ports online and it didn't really seem like I had any advantages from port being less common online.

I am curious, what are you guys' opinions on how port being less common influences the meta?

Obv. Less port decks, but what gains % points because of that?

[Noctalor]

I should have said: Everyone's an entitled fucking critic.

WoTC could put $100 bills into packs and you people would complain about the folds.

Fow - 75 euros - cool
Balance - 5,5 euros - fuck me
Chome Mox - 9 euros - fuck me
Worldgorger - 2 euros - fuck me (TWO EUROS)
Vampiric - 25 euros - cool i guess (people will shit on this card, lets be realistic)
Karakas - 95 euros - cool
Mana Crypt - 75 euros - cool
Jace - 67 euros - cool
Wanderer - 13 euros - fuck me
Necro - 6 euros - fuck me
Enchantress - 10 euros - fuck me
Dack - 21 euros - cool
Sneak Attack - 30 euros - cool

7 Mythics are in the good spectrum, 6 of them are boxs destroyers

Top, Waste, Gamble, Maze, Entomb, Sinkhole and library are the only rares worth something so is a 7 out of 35, the average value of a rare in this set is 7.14 euros, you tend to lose money buying boosters each time you find a rare

Teraphy and chain lightning are notable mentions in the uncommon slot.

So you either coinflip with the mythics and wasteland or get lucky with foils, if not you will always lose money, that's it.

Also, the MTGO status is dumb, port shouldnt cost much more than a lotus right?

[Ace/Homebrew]

What exactly are you supposed to Natural Order for?
You Natural Order for Bloodbraid Elf, which cascades into Shardless Agent, which cascades into... Whitemane Lion?

[Lejay]

I actually played D&T with ports online and it didn't really seem like I had any advantages from port being less common online.

I am curious, what are you guys' opinions on how port being less common influences the meta?

You have an advantage in that people do not metagame much against your deck, because it is so uncommon due to port's price. That is something that would be hard to realize through games, but if you build according to online metagame it definitely has an effect on your choices.
But miracles is about 40% of the 5-0s online (apparently that's what Mengucci counted in an article or video), and miracles doesn't need to adapt much to D&T, so it's not the primary issue online.

Edit, to your edit "Obv. Less port decks, but what gains % points because of that?" : Hard to quantify but it's relevant. A bigger impact is how the value of certain decks changes.

[(nameless one)]

You Natural Order for Bloodbraid Elf, which cascades into Shardless Agent, which cascades into... Whitemane Lion?

Doesn't work. You have to Cast Bloodbraid for cascade to work.

I am sad that there isn't any Goblin Settlers 😔

[H]

You Natural Order for Bloodbraid Elf, which cascades into Shardless Agent, which cascades into... Whitemane Lion?

While that is so bad I wish you could do it, Cascade only triggers on being cast, not ETB.

EDIT: Beaten by a few seconds. The only card I really would have liked to have seen is Imperial Recruiter, but whatever, it's not as if I really needed them...

[Arsenal]

What exactly are you supposed to Natural Order for? Regal Force?

Silvos? Giant Solifuge? I don't know exactly.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Yeah, I spent the 5 minutes since I posted looking for the rules on that... Actually never found clarification, but I figured I was wrong when I re-read cascade.
I guess you're stuck NOing for Silvos, Rogue Elemental. :rolleyes:

And while not having Imperial Recruiter in the set is unfortunate, no Goblin Matron is truly a shame. :frown:

[iatee]

You have an advantage in that people do not metagame much against your deck, because it is so uncommon due to port's price. That is something that would be hard to realize through games, but if you build according to online metagame it definitely has an effect on your choices.
But miracles is about 40% of the 5-0s online (apparently that's what Mengucci counted in an article or video), and miracles doesn't need to adapt much to D&T, so it's not the primary issue online.

Edit, to your edit "Obv. Less port decks, but what gains % points because of that?" : Hard to quantify but it's relevant. A bigger impact is how the value of certain decks changes.

There's also the fact that online results provide less useful data than paper results when the meta is warped by a lack of Dnt/Lands. This is the case in other formats too (budget, usually red decks are always over-represented) and arguably legacy's cost of entry in paper means that the format is always warped by budget issues. But in this case it's a problem that could have been solved....really, really easily.

[GenghisTom]

I should have said: Everyone's an entitled fucking critic.

WoTC could put $100 bills into packs and you people would complain about the folds.

Seriously, complaining about new sets for a card game is about as first world of a problem as it gets.

Yes, not every pack is going to be worth more than what you paid for it. How has this become a foreign concept for people? Are boosters supposed to be guaranteed positive return investments?

Set looks good and I'm gonna have fun drafting it and gambling on packs here and there.
Bravo Wizards

[Lejay]

Seriously, complaining about new sets for a card game is about as first world of a problem as it gets.

Yes, not every pack is going to be worth more than what you paid for it. How has this become a foreign concept for people? Are boosters supposed to be guaranteed positive return investments?

Set looks good and I'm gonna have fun drafting it and gambling on packs here and there.
Bravo Wizards


The point isn't about value, the online meta is totally skewed around Port being a crazy price. It's such a ridiculous exclusion that I'm genuinely baffled by it. Infernal Tutor too, among some others.

[Noctalor]

Seriously, complaining about new sets for a card game is about as first world of a problem as it gets.

Yes, not every pack is going to be worth more than what you paid for it. How has this become a foreign concept for people? Are boosters supposed to be guaranteed positive return investments?

Set looks good and I'm gonna have fun drafting it and gambling on packs here and there.
Bravo Wizards

My problem with rares and mythic is the spectrum being WAY to harsh, if you buy a box you are spending 250 euros, you shouldnt be able to find a 2 euro mythic and a bunch of 30 cents rares, the spread is so high that you can possibly go like -200 on a box :rolleyes:

Also, if the card value is not the main focus printing things like port and misdi could have helped the online enviroment, boosters online have like no value unless you hit a lucky card, there is no middle ground between wasting 10 euros and gaining a bunch

[Di]

All you guys complaining about mythic values and wasted slots, and here I am just wondering when the hell I'm going to get foil High Tide.

[keys]

I guess you're stuck NOing for Silvos, Rogue Elemental. :rolleyes:

They could've at least dropped a Terastodon in there since it also works with Reanimator.

As it stands I don't see any reason to even draft NO.

Weird.

[Richard Cheese]

This set is horrible. You are most likely not going to get your $10 back by buying a pack. Not buying this set.

They could've included Show and Tell, Imperial Recruiter, Imperial Seal, Rishadan Port, e.t.c instead they put crap like Inkwell Leviathan at rare.
Edit: Also, where is Stoneforge Mystic in this set? Crucible of Worlds? Survival of the Fittest?

They could have printed all that, but then what would go in Eternal Masters 2? You have to remember that reprints are basically money in the bank for WotC/Hasbro, but only if they manage them correctly. Putting a chase card in a regular set or Commander/Duel Deck can push a lot of product, but there's only so many times you can reprint a card before the value tanks and it's no longer a selling point. These "masters" sets are brilliant from the WotC point of view, because the limited print run is somewhat offset by the higher cost, and it doesn't affect the price of cards nearly as much as a normal expansion set or precon. Hell, for some of the mythics it actually moves the price up, because it creates the illusion of supply and drives up demand.

[jmlima]

Well, speaking strictly from the MTGO perspective, its not because of this set that you will see an influx of Legacy players.

It didn't make any of the top tiered decks more afordable. But then again, without sorting the manabase issue they will never be able to make access more affordable and since that is restricted to the RL...

At least this set made the Pauper players happy and online they are far more significant than Legacy players.

[Sloshthedark]

absence of mtgo reprints is illogical and infuriating, moreso in conjunction with the legacy summer promo program or how to call it... and I don't play Modo nor I'll draft EMA at all


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good point

[phonics]

My problem with rares and mythic is the spectrum being WAY to harsh, if you buy a box you are spending 250 euros, you shouldnt be able to find a 2 euro mythic and a bunch of 30 cents rares, the spread is so high that you can possible go like -200 on a box :rolleyes:

Also, if the card value is not the main focus print things like port and misdi could have helped the online enviroment, boostars online have like no value unless you hit a lucky card, there is no middle ground between wasting 10 euros and gaining a bunch

They saw how everyone liked the skewed value in MM2 and decided to kick it up a notch!


absence of mtgo reprints if illogical and infuriating, more so in conjunction with the legac summer promo prgram or how to call it... and I don't play Modo at all nor I'll draft EMA


The mistake is to have any expectations for what WOTC will deliver. Oh well, maybe I will pick up a set of old border therapies if they drop in price.

[Manipulato]

No TNN! This set sucks :mad:

[Dice_Box]

Port would be nice, I need foils. I just dont feel like it will be in here though. I think it is one of those cards that will be kept up Wizards sleave for next time.
... Yep. That happened.

[jimmythegreek]

Was really, really hoping for recruiter as I have all the other cards for painter. Is there any chance that some of these "hopeful reprints" are gonna get even pricier due to not being reprinted.

[jrsthethird]

The only super disappointing thing was the lack of Port. Everything else is completely fine.

[Dice_Box]

Oh yes. That's a definite.

[Emo]

Will be fun to draft, I'd be surprised if people actually bought the set as opposed to buying singles. Just doing some rough math a box is definitely not worth the $300 its going for now.

If WOTC doesn't plan to have any EMA drafts at a tournament level and they really don't support Legacy as a format, what exactly was the intent behind this set? Yes, there are some good reprints in Force, Karakas, NO, wasteland etc.. but those cards at mythic (rare for waste) doesn't really do much at making the format more affordable.
I guess they were just trying to print money which I guess you can't blame them for doing that.

[swoop]

Will be fun to draft, I'd be surprised if people actually bought the set as opposed to buying singles. Just doing some rough math a box is definitely not worth the $300 its going for now.

If WOTC doesn't plan to have any EMA drafts at a tournament level and they really don't support Legacy as a format, what exactly was the intent behind this set? Yes, there are some good reprints in Force, Karakas, NO, wasteland etc.. but those cards at mythic (rare for waste) doesn't really do much at making the format more affordable.
I guess they were just trying to print money which I guess you can't blame them for doing that.

investing in 4 foil recruiters feels good now.

also, love the set, too bad its too expensive to binge draft

[sadface]

The only super disappointing thing was the lack of Port. Everything else is completely fine.
Not including Flusterstorm is inexcusable.

[Barook]

I guess they were just trying to print money which I guess you can't blame them for doing that.
That's what they're doing. What's the price retailers for one of the 100k boxes?

[guillemnicolau]

Not including Flusterstorm is inexcusable.

+1

[Dice_Box]

I lent Flusterstorm's to a mate travelling to GP Prague. The reason he wanted to borrow them over buy them was so that way he did not lose money when they where reprinted in Eternal...

[MaximumC]

Well, this set is fun, and they left out enough to give them lots of goodies for Eternal Masters 2, Commander 2016, or Conspiracy 2.

Anyway, here's my specs on the set. I've grouped them where I would be buying in aggressively. At much above these targets, I'm not interested.

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BELOW A DOLLAR
Generally good cards to have spare copies of due to use in various formats. Already pretty cheap, likely to be smashed into the dirt by the Eternal Masters printing.
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Eight-and-a-half-tails (fine Commander, likely to be viewed as trash in this set; might crash hard)
Unexpectedly Absent
Memory Lapse (due entirely to sweet new art. Get em for a nickel!)
Serendib Efreet
Night's Whisper
Mogg War Marshal
Young Pyromancer
Giant Solifuge (new art -- this way to nickel town!)
Future Sight (always a fun card)
Wirewood Symboite

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AROUND A DOLLAR
Very useful cards in the 2 - 10 dollar range that might crater due to temporary availability. Good cards to have spares of for EDH or casual decks.
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Daze (stock up while they're cheap as dirt)
Sinkhole (Im not saying it'll be this cheap, just that it's worth scooping up if it gets there.)
Toxic Deluge
Chain Lightning
Gamble
Price of Progress
Heritage Druid
Vindicate
Deathrite Shaman
Isochron Scepter
Goblin Charbelcher
Argoth Enchantress

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FIVE DOLLAR ISH
Very powerful cards in the 10 - 20 range currently that are probably not super sought after in this set.
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Vamp Tutor
Green Sun's Zenith
Sylvan Library

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TEN DOLLAR ISH
20 - 50 cards; I'm only in on these if they get down close to 10 bux.
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Sneak Attack
Natural Order
Karakas
Wasteland

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THIRTY DOLLAR ISH
Finally, the chase cards. Previously around $100 big ones. Jace has already started to list down to $60, and I suspect he has further to go. I have no illusions of these prices dropping enough for me to get in, but I'm not in on these unless they get close to $30.00.
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Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Mana Crypt
Force of Will


I lent Flusterstorm's to a mate travelling to GP Prague. The reason he wanted to borrow them over buy them was so that way he did not lose money when they where reprinted in Eternal...

Except that now he has your Flusterstorms. For free. And hes in another country. I think I know who won that little exchange.

[Dice_Box]

I am holding Duals as colatial. It's not my first rodeo.

[Noctalor]

TEN DOLLAR ISH
20 - 50 cards; I'm only in on these if they get down close to 10 bux.
Karakas
Wasteland


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08

[MaximumC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08

We'll see!

Something has to give; the set can't have a half dozen mythics that all stay close to $100.00. I can't imagine that's the case!

Karakas is a maindeckable sideboard card that people don't need 4 copies of. It's supply is about to be blasted into the stratosphere, compared to pre-Eternal Masters.

Wasteland is a four of, but it's also starting lower.

Maybe price memory will keep these in sillytown, I don't know, but I know I'm in around 10 :)

[Sidneyious]

Is this the full list because that's a crap lot for other lands considering they were "just" printed.

http://www.magicspoiler.com/eternal-masters-spoiler-2/

[Amon Amarth]

Holy shit am I salty about that mythic Sphinx. They just couldn't help themselves to put a fucking Comet Storm in the god damn set. I'm OK and even enthusiastic about cards here for Limited purposes or even just for nostalgia. At least there is a reason and the entire set can't be jam packed with value. But there is no reason for a thrice printed bulk rare like Sphinx to be in this set at mythic. GG.

[rufus]

Holy shit am I salty about that mythic Sphinx. They just couldn't help themselves to put a fucking Comet Storm in the god damn set. I'm OK and even enthusiastic about cards here for Limited purposes or even just for nostalgia. At least there is a reason and the entire set can't be jam packed with value. But there is no reason for a thrice printed bulk rare like Sphinx to be in this set at mythic. GG.

Personally, I was expecting a Squire reprint.

[Finn]

An awful lot of pissing and moaning going on in here. The set is literally packed full of ultra powerful cards. If everyone got everything they wanted, the set would be 400 cards and there would be nothing left to print for EM2.

[supremePINEAPPLE]

Yeah, people seem really negative on it after the full spoiler but I'm still really excited for my box.

The mtgo oversights are disappointing but it's still one of the coolest collections of cards they've ever done.

[Begle1]

I think it's funny how blatant the front-loading of the spoilers were, you think they would've saved something good for last. But I'm still calling it the best reprint-only set ever.

Now I just need to go back to plotting how I'm going to get my stupid Imperial Recruiters...

[Richard Cheese]

An awful lot of pissing and moaning going on in here. The set is literally packed full of ultra powerful cards. If everyone got everything they wanted, the set would be 400 cards and there would be nothing left to print for EM2.

Eh, people are probably just mad because it looked like it was not only going to be a lot of fun in limited, but also have pretty good EV to justify the cost of the events. Now that the full list is out, it still looks like a lot of fun, but the value just isn't what it looked like it was going to be after the first handful of spoilers.

I somewhat agree though, they know these things are an absolute goldmine, but they have to manage their "reprint equity" well to keep it that way. I just wish the packs were slightly cheaper like the original MM. That set felt a lot closer to breaking even on limited events.

[MaximumC]

Holy shit am I salty about that mythic Sphinx. They just couldn't help themselves to put a fucking Comet Storm in the god damn set. I'm OK and even enthusiastic about cards here for Limited purposes or even just for nostalgia. At least there is a reason and the entire set can't be jam packed with value. But there is no reason for a thrice printed bulk rare like Sphinx to be in this set at mythic. GG.

Calm down, sparky. Before they printed Blightsteel / Griselbrand / Emrakul, Sphinx was in the rotation with Inkwell and Darksteel as a Tinkerbot of choice, and it sometimes even popped up in Oath alongside such all-stars as Terrastadon and Iona. It's a fine choice for a card to include in Eternal Masters.

[GreatWhale]

I think it's funny how blatant the front-loading of the spoilers were, you think they would've saved something good for last. But I'm still calling it the best reprint-only set ever.

Now I just need to go back to plotting how I'm going to get my stupid Imperial Recruiters...

I hate to feed into the negativity because I'm still excited for the set, but I just hate how there was no bomb card at the end and they previewed Berserk as the "Card of the Day" in "honor of EMA" and then NOT include it. Kind of a dick move.

[jrsthethird]

Not including Flusterstorm is inexcusable.

I stand corrected.

[ramanujan]

Wow, what a great set. I am more than pleased with this set. It is a little disturbing how many people are really upset about the cards selected to include in this set. They need to settle down and realize that thier expectations were inappropriate. Arguing over whether a single card is included or not included in a reprint set is a stupid waste of time. Every set needs to have chase cards, other highly valued cards, mid grade cards, and chaff. It is a formula that works, sells cards, gives discussion boards something to discuss, and gives customers a win the lottery/get shafted/did okay feelings when they open packs.

A pack of cards will not have positive expected value on the secondary market. If the set was more loaded, like including port, fluster storm, recruiter, mana drain, Zendikar fetches, and all the other stuff people expected to get, retailers wouldn't sell the set for 10 dollars a pack. Then people would be upset that they can't afford to get a decent amount of packs from the set.

The set rocks, anyone that flipped out about the cards selected should just relax.

To those people who flipped out. Would you rather not have the set than have the set in its current design. If your answer is yes, stop posting, it is a waste of your time and ours. Just my 2 cents.

[Barook]

Wow, what a great set. I am more than pleased with this set. It is a little disturbing how many people are really upset about the cards selected to include in this set. They need to settle down and realize that thier expectations were inappropriate. Arguing over whether a single card is included or not included in a reprint set is a stupid waste of time. Every set needs to have chase cards, other highly valued cards, mid grade cards, and chaff. It is a formula that works, sells cards, gives discussion boards something to discuss, and gives customers a win the lottery/get shafted/did okay feelings when they open packs.

A pack of cards will not have positive expected value on the secondary market. If the set was more loaded, like including port, fluster storm, recruiter, mana drain, Zendikar fetches, and all the other stuff people expected to get, retailers wouldn't sell the set for 10 dollars a pack. Then people would be upset that they can't afford to get a decent amount of packs from the set.

The set rocks, anyone that flipped out about the cards selected should just relax.

To those people who flipped out. Would you rather not have the set than have the set in its current design. If your answer is yes, stop posting, it is a waste of your time and ours. Just my 2 cents.
Not reprinting Rishadan Port online has been a glaring issue for years and they've missed probably the best chance yet to reprint it. Of course people are angry.

The card selection is overall fine - the amount of rarity upshifts is not. And that causes problems with the online EV, which is abyssal.

Overall, a great set for paper. For MTGO, it's "Wasteland Lottery 2: Electric Boogaloo", which is terrible.

[cartoonist]

EMA will still sell well, and we'll get an EMA2 in the future. They have to stagger some of the high demand cards to keep the product relevant in the future.

[Crimhead]

My biggest gripe is a lack of land destruction. I liked drafts when Stone Rain was a common.

[ramanujan]

Not reprinting Rishadan Port online has been a glaring issue for years and they've missed probably the best chance yet to reprint it. Of course people are angry.

The card selection is overall fine - the amount of rarity upshifts is not. And that causes problems with the online EV, which is abyssal.

Overall, a great set for paper. For MTGO, it's "Wasteland Lottery 2: Electric Boogaloo", which is terrible.

You have a fair point there. I must admit that the MTGO perspective isn't one I understand. I apologize for not scoping my statement to be paper. I am paper, all the way. I tested MTGO in Beta when they were allowing free torment drafts and that is it.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Dude what? Sinkhole and Wastlend! Oh yah both at rare, I get your point...

So this set has ~ 20 Money Cards. Means of course you loose money if you open packs (that is obvious) but you still have a good chance to get a goody if you win a draft!

Did someone expect to earn money for buying boosters? If yes, magic probably the wrong hobby for you...

[Finn]

And Vindicate. Most aggressively priced land destruction suite in a set ever.

[Sidneyious]

Dude what? Sinkhole and Wastlend! Oh yah both at rare, I get your point...

So this set has ~ 20 Money Cards. Means of course you loose money if you open packs (that is obvious) but you still have a good chance to get a goody if you win a draft!

Did someone expect to earn money for buying boosters? If yes, magic probably the wrong hobby for you...
Playing limited is not a way to make money unless you draft all the good stuff then leave.

If you bought a lotus years ago you maid money of that set of crap you left to the wayside.

[Crimhead]

And Vindicate. Most aggressively priced land destruction suite in a set ever.
Vindicate is also rare.

[Bichon_Blitz]

I think the big winner's here are pauper and EDH commander. Maybe they should've changed their marketing/branding for it, I think a lot of people read this as "Legacy Masters", which I don't think that's even a possibility with a reserved list. Better marketing I think by WotC would've fixed this.

I'm as pumped to draft this set as I am that I didn't pre-order a box of it. Limited looks fun AF, though I think white looks a little OP.

[Brael]

The set seems fine to me. Spoilers were a bit front loaded, but they always are. When is the mass release of cards at the end of the spoiler ever notable for eternal constructed formats? That's when they announce the limited fodder. This set is going to bring down the entry price on several decks, and if you've already bought into the format enough to have the lands, the price is going to go down quite a bit more which will make switching decks vastly easier, perhaps making the format a bit more dynamic.

[Lormador]

Yeah, it'll be nice to pick up some of those cards I've been missing.

I certainly regret, a couple of months ago, deciding to go in on Entombs instead of Mox Diamonds. They were about the same price at one point.

I'm still slightly disappointed about Imperial Recruiter, I was hoping to get those. I guess I'll just have to keep waiting.

[big_ticket]

no snap and lotv,maybe on the next EM2 :rolleyes:

[Megadeus]

no snap and lotv,maybe on the next EM2 :rolleyes:

Both are far more likely to be Modern Masters cards

[rufus]

...
I'm as pumped to draft this set as I am that I didn't pre-order a box of it. Limited looks fun AF, though I think white looks a little OP.

I think the power level is just really high in general. Draft elves looks like it will be silly strong too.

[Plague Sliver]

If the set was more loaded, like including port, fluster storm, recruiter, mana drain, Zendikar fetches, and all the other stuff people expected to get, retailers wouldn't sell the set for 10 dollars a pack.

What makes you think retailers would not sell for more than 10 dollars a pack? From Reddit reports it looks like stores are already charging $50+ for drafts.


I think the big winner's here are pauper and EDH commander. Maybe they should've changed their marketing/branding for it, I think a lot of people read this as "Legacy Masters", which I don't think that's even a possibility with a reserved list. Better marketing I think by WotC would've fixed this.

I think it's only because we're on a Legacy forum that people are reading this as Legacy Masters. Every set and every announcement is viewed through the lens of Legacy, not necessarily due to how WOTC marketed it.

[ramanujan]

What makes you think retailers would not sell for more than 10 dollars a pack? From Reddit reports it looks like stores are already charging $50+ for drafts.



I think it's only because we're on a Legacy forum that people are reading this as Legacy Masters. Every set and every announcement is viewed through the lens of Legacy, not necessarily due to how WOTC marketed it.

You have taken my statement completely out of context. The purpose of my statement was to say that if the set were even more stacked than it is now, prices of sealed packs and boxes would dramatically increase beyond what they are at for the set in its current version. I don't know how that is unclear, but I won't be responding back if you disagree with this statement. I feel I have been clear enough.

[Plague Sliver]

You have taken my statement completely out of context. The purpose of my statement was to say that if the set were even more stacked than it is now, prices of sealed packs and boxes would dramatically increase beyond what they are at for the set in its current version. I don't know how that is unclear, but I won't be responding back if you disagree with this statement. I feel I have been clear enough.

Got it, thanks, clear now.

[TsumiBand]

From Reddit reports it looks like stores are already charging $50+ for drafts.

So really then, this is the second expansion in Commander's Arsenal Block

[Hanzalot]

I was thinking of selling off a few Legacy staples that I'm not using - both cards like Tarmogoyf and Snapcaster Mage that aren't among the reprints and also cards like Chrome Mox, Jace and Vindicate that are.

So I wanted to ask you guys, if this is a bad time to sell - for one or both of the groups mentioned above? What did Modern Masters teach us in this regard?

Thanks!

[bruizar]

foil gamble, foil chain lightning without the ftv foiling, and some other foils are damn nice.

[Que]

I was thinking how funny it was that they included Worldgorger Dragon alongside Animate Dead. But I don't believe it leads to anything unfortunately.

[square_two]

I was thinking how funny it was that they included Worldgorger Dragon alongside Animate Dead. But I don't believe it leads to anything unfortunately.

Someone already mentioned that it is a winning combo with either Shaman of the Pack or Goblin Charbelcher.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Someone already mentioned that it is a winning combo with either Shaman of the Pack or Goblin Charbelcher.
Unless I'm mistaken, it also works with:
Ghitu Slinger
Keldon Champion
Keldon MaraudersMogg War Marshal and Siege-Gang Commander give you a huge army of 1/1's. SGC lets you use your infinite mana and 1/1's to shock your opponent to death.

Stuff like Wall of Omens, Abundant Growth, Baleful Strix or (to an extent) Phyrexian Rager lets you dig until you find your win-con.

There are also some cards (5 of which are lands) that would let you gain 'infinite' life.

[Que]

Oh snap thats actually a lot more applications than I thought. I was just looking for a filter for the infinite mana that we could generate as opposed to abusing all the various ETB Triggers haha. Good stuff.

[jrsthethird]

Unless I'm mistaken, it also works with:
Ghitu Slinger
Keldon Champion
Keldon MaraudersMogg War Marshal and Siege-Gang Commander give you a huge army of 1/1's. SGC lets you use your infinite mana and 1/1's to shock your opponent to death.

Stuff like Wall of Omens, Abundant Growth, Baleful Strix or (to an extent) Phyrexian Rager lets you dig until you find your win-con.

There are also some cards (5 of which are lands) that would let you gain 'infinite' life.

Just make sure you stack the triggers right with the token guys. ;)

And don't forget, if you're running the draw or life combo plan, you need to either have instant-speed removal or another creature in either graveyard, or else you'll just end the game in a draw (or a loss if you loop with Omens/Strix...XD).

[Finn]

I was thinking about this set some. I like the set and I think wotc did a good job of balancing the concerns of collectors with folks buying packs for powerful cards. That's a tightrope act for them, and it is guaranteed to upset people on both sides. It seems to me that at the msrp of $10/pack the set is actually appropriately stocked with goodies. The problem is in the dealers jacking up the price. Let them keep the shit in inventory until they lower the price or deal with their greed. But I just don't see wotc responsible for the scenario when there is an open market deciding on the price we pay.

[Crimhead]

The problem is in the dealers jacking up the price. Let them keep the shit in inventory until they lower the price or deal with their greed.
Yeah, right. Cause obviously sealed product will lose value the longer the dealer's hold on to it.

[phonics]

"limited printing' means the price will always be scalped.

[Finn]

Crimhead, according to your logic, all dealers should buy infinite numbers of boxes.

Phonics, no it does not. A set of all basic lands would not be. Scalping only occurs when demand is high enough. So, the better the set, the higher the scalped price. The better the cards, the higher the price they can charge unless twerps buy product that is not worth the price.

[phonics]

Crimhead, according to your logic, all dealers should buy infinite numbers of boxes.

Phonics, no it does not. A set of all basic lands would not be. Scalping only occurs when demand is high enough. So, the better the set, the higher the scalped price. The better the cards, the higher the price they can charge unless twerps buy product that is not worth the price.

Saying a limited run of a set of regular basic lands that are already in great supply is disingenuous, since such a product would never exist. However, we can see that in cases where basic lands have been given limited print runs (promos/ apac/ guru/ judge/ ect) that they probably almost unanimously command a higher price than any basic land printing in an actual set (outside of abu and summer if you count that). Consider the arena 2000 land promos, which are worth significantly more than their practically identical mercadian masques counterparts. Both were printed at the same time, with the only difference between them being a slightly smaller 'shooting star' (they are basically indistinguishable unless you are looking for the difference) on the arena version. Limited printing creates exclusivity which in turn creates demand for itself, this is pretty much how mtg cards work. The only time this wouldn't happen is in a set of mono unplayables/ undesireables. FTV: Annihilation is about as close as it has gotten to that.

[Finn]

Saying a limited run of a set of regular basic lands that are already in great supply is disingenuous, since such a product would never exist. However, we can see that in cases where basic lands have been given limited print runs (promos/ apac/ guru/ judge/ ect) that they probably almost unanimously command a higher price than any basic land printing in an actual set (outside of abu and summer if you count that). Consider the arena 2000 land promos, which are worth significantly more than their practically identical mercadian masques counterparts. Both were printed at the same time, with the only difference between them being a slightly smaller 'shooting star' (they are basically indistinguishable unless you are looking for the difference) on the arena version. Limited printing creates exclusivity which in turn creates demand for itself, this is pretty much how mtg cards work. The only time this wouldn't happen is in a set of mono unplayables/ undesireables. FTV: Annihilation is about as close as it has gotten to that.
Seriously? I hope you did not spend a lot of time typing that report on nothing there. I only said that we should all not buy the product if it is overpriced. Now I want my minute back for reading that paragraph of trite.

[Dice_Box]

Keep it calm.

[phonics]

Seriously? I hope you did not spend a lot of time typing that report on nothing there. I only said that we should all not buy the product if it is overpriced. Now I want my minute back for reading that paragraph of trite.

I don't understand, I said limited printings end up costing more, you said they don't unless people buy over costed things (which happens so I don't know how this is an argument) and I provided an example. I didn't realize it was possible to be offended so much by wasting time reading a single paragraph that you have to waste yet another precious minute of your time making a reply to remark about how offended you are, I tried to make this reply extra short just for you.

[Teluin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnuR3y8HUm8

[Noctalor]

You know we always wanted to pretend we were game designers.

[Ace/Homebrew]

I called StarCityGames to see when they would have foil cards from EMA up for pre-sale (they typically add them the week or so before a set is released), but was told they had no intention of putting foils from the set up for pre-sale...

I've been looking around a bit to try and gauge prices for some of the 'never been foil' cards in the set and am pretty blown away at how high the prices are. As an example, Pyrokinesis is at $28 on mtggoldfish.com.

This is likely all artificial due to the fact the set is not yet available for sale, right? Foil Pyroblast can't sustain an $86 price tag for long, right? :frown:

[non-inflammable]

so i cracked open my box just now: complete garbage. only 3 cards in the entire box are worth anything.
i almost feel sorry for the people that drop $300 cash...

[MasterBlaster]

so i cracked open my box just now: complete garbage. only 3 cards in the entire box are worth anything.

What are these cards in question? Any other highlights in your box?

[ScottW]

Only buy sealed product if you enjoy playing the lottery or drafting. Just buy the singles. You'll very likely spend less money and use far less packaging.

[Dark Ritual]

I called StarCityGames to see when they would have foil cards from EMA up for pre-sale (they typically add them the week or so before a set is released), but was told they had no intention of putting foils from the set up for pre-sale...

I've been looking around a bit to try and gauge prices for some of the 'never been foil' cards in the set and am pretty blown away at how high the prices are. As an example, Pyrokinesis is at $28 on mtggoldfish.com.

This is likely all artificial due to the fact the set is not yet available for sale, right? Foil Pyroblast can't sustain an $86 price tag for long, right? :frown:

Pyroblast is one of the best cards in eternal formats and is only just now becoming available in foil. Demand will outstrip supply on pyroblast pretty easily if this print run is quite limited as advertised. Pyrokinesis I have no idea on as it's way more niche than pyroblast is.

[Ace/Homebrew]

SCG just put EMA foils up for pre-sale.

Pyroblast at $30
Pyrokinesis at $12

Those are prices I can wrap my head around based on availability/demand. The other prices were absolutely crazy.



(Next day edit)
Annnnnnnnd they're sold out of Pyroblast!
Pyrokinesis, on the other hand, is now at $10

[CutthroatCasual]

so i cracked open my box just now: complete garbage. only 3 cards in the entire box are worth anything.
i almost feel sorry for the people that drop $300 cash...

Did you expect anything else? The lottery is a tax on those who are bad at math.

[sampi]

Did a draft. Got Drs, bb elf, Hymm and natural order. Got to cast a natural order to get emperor crocodile. Funniest thing I've done recently. If it wasn't 50 dollars to draft it (in AUS) I would do more.

[jrsthethird]

Did a draft. Got Drs, bb elf, Hymm and natural order. Got to cast a natural order to get emperor crocodile. Funniest thing I've done recently. If it wasn't 50 dollars to draft it (in AUS) I would do more.

NO seems pretty weak in the draft anyway. I think it's worth playing if Croc is your best target. LOL

[sampi]

NO seems pretty weak in the draft anyway. I think it's worth playing if Croc is your best target. LOL

Yeah I just took it because it was hilarious. Well I thought so.

[Dice_Box]

Did a draft. Got Drs, bb elf, Hymm and natural order. Got to cast a natural order to get emperor crocodile. Funniest thing I've done recently. If it wasn't 50 dollars to draft it (in AUS) I would do more.
50? Its 50-60 here in Brisy depending on where you go. Its shit. I want to play this set but I can not justify the cost. I think I will be playing this set online.

[Barook]

I want to play this set but I can not justify the cost. I think I will be playing this set online.
And yet online, the set EV is shit.

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[Crimhead]

Crimhead, according to your logic, all dealers should buy infinite numbers of boxes.

Quite the opposite! My logic is based on the implicit understanding that there is a finite amount of this product available to anyone.

[jrsthethird]

50? Its 50-60 here in Brisy depending on where you go. Its shit. I want to play this set but I can not justify the cost. I think I will be playing this set online.

Local store is doing $35 drafts. I don't know the payouts though. I'm meeting a friend there to pick up or preorder boxes and to playtest Legacy for EE4, but he has to leave earlier than me. I might bite depending on how the payout is.

Also registered for a EMA Sealed PPTQ on Saturday for $75.

[PirateKing]

Local store here has $35 drafts, but payout is in current sets only, so it'll just be a value draft with a few games for fun.

[Richard Cheese]

Yeah around Denver I'm mostly seeing PPTQs and GPTs running in the $90 range. Only seen a couple places running just normal drafts, and no casual sealed so far.

[MasterBlaster]

I'm happy with my box of EM. Going to be drafting it in a couple hours.

Pulled nonfoil Force of Will, Sneak Attack, Vampric Tutor, Entomb, Sinkhole, Enlightened Tutor, and Deathrite Shaman.

Foil of Enlightened Tutor and Pyroblast.

[the Thin White Duke]

My LGS is selling packs at MSRP, six pack max. Good on them.

[btm10]

Philly folks: I have a box and am looking for 2 more to draft. Buy-in is a 6-pack of craft beer. PM for details.

[jrsthethird]

My LGS is selling packs at MSRP, six pack max. Good on them.

Mine is selling packs at $15, $290/box. Players at FNM (normal SOI draft) are discussing buying a box on their own and going to Denny's to draft after closing. Someone mentions that they can get boxes at $250 at a place on the way and the guy runs up out of nowhere and says "I'll sell you guys the box at $250 if you're gonna be drafting it). Classic.

[Stan]

Do they still add one foil per pack, like with MM?

[MasterBlaster]

Do they still add one foil per pack, like with MM?

Yup. Foil in every pack I opened yesterday.

[Begle1]

This set is tons of fun.

[Darkenslight]

Anyone who simply opens a box and doesn't play Limited with it doesn't deserve to be a Magic player.

This set is so much fun to draft. Plus, in the openings, I got Sneak Attack, foil Daze and foil Siege-Gang. However, there was a sick Elves! deck in it. Sadly, I ran into the one Goblinball player in the draft, so I went 2-1.

Highlight of the night was when I returned BBE with a Symbiote, and went BBE -> Perfect, then BBE -> Scarblade. I also had quad Lys Alana Huntmaster and double Elvish Vanguard.

[sadface]

Question for those of you who bought boxes to draft with friends: Do you make your friends pay you to draft and then everyone gets to go home with the cards they drafted, or do you let your friends draft for free and then you keep all the cards for yourself?

[TsumiBand]

Question for those of you who bought boxes to draft with friends: Do you make your friends pay you to draft and then everyone gets to go home with the cards they drafted, or do you let your friends draft for free and then you keep all the cards for yourself?

My friend is doing the latter for this set. He's basically using this as a jumping-off point to make a cube.

[supremePINEAPPLE]

Me and a friend from work each got a box and are going to build a bunch full-box sealed decks to play against each other. It's gonna be a spew value-wise but it should be a lot of fun.

[jrsthethird]

I bought a box to draft with people. My intent is to have people buy in with either $5 cash or a $5-10 rare. We draft for the buy-ins but I keep the cards.

Might not be the best value-wise but I don't want to see my friends opening Mana Crypts and Forces and taking them home on me, nor do I want to force a bad rare (Natural Order) in my deck just to save value.

[Stan]

I bought a box to draft with people. My intent is to have people buy in with either $5 cash or a $5-10 rare. We draft for the buy-ins but I keep the cards.

Might not be the best value-wise but I don't want to see my friends opening Mana Crypts and Forces and taking them home on me, nor do I want to force a bad rare (Natural Order) in my deck just to save value.

A problem which can obviously be avoided by putting every drafted rare/mythic and every foil on the table afterwards, and then letting people pick in order of the draft result. It'd allow people to build the best deck they want, without worry about losing value regardless of how well they play.

[wcm8]

I bought a box with the intention of drafting for fun with some of my friends that play MtG but much less competitively. Probably going to have a $10 (maybe more) buy-in where the 1st and 2nd place players take the prize pool, while I keep the cards. If I'm hosting at my place, I'll probably also keep some of the money just to help pay for the beer/liquor that will inevitably be involved.

To extend the fun of an 8-man draft, what's the best way to configure the 'tournament' structure? Should I just have a certain number of rounds (per normal FNM draft rules) or should I make it a Round Robin, where everybody plays vs. everybody and then the winners are the ones with the best records at the end?

[Finn]

Question for those of you who bought boxes to draft with friends: Do you make your friends pay you to draft and then everyone gets to go home with the cards they drafted, or do you let your friends draft for free and then you keep all the cards for yourself?

The latter. Since I sold my collection a few weeks ago :laugh: I have no desire to buy cards. I will be taking a friend up on his offer to draft his cards as a way to "open his box". It's good to be able to trust people.

[MGB]

Philly folks: I have a box and am looking for 2 more to draft. Buy-in is a 6-pack of craft beer. PM for details.

What if I bring a six pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon? Would that be good enough?

[Octopusman]

I'm looking to pick up a bunch of the faded blue uncommons but can't find any on ebay. Are they calling them something other than "faded" or "misprint"?

[swoop]

2 drafts:

Sinkhole, foil elf druid, wasteland foil sylvan library and sneak attack.

not bad

[Richard Cheese]

What if I bring a six pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon? Would that be good enough?

You're in PA, the only acceptable choice is Yuengling.

[thefringthing]

To extend the fun of an 8-man draft, what's the best way to configure the 'tournament' structure? Should I just have a certain number of rounds (per normal FNM draft rules) or should I make it a Round Robin, where everybody plays vs. everybody and then the winners are the ones with the best records at the end?Getting stuck playing a deck you wish you hadn't drafted for seven hours could be a bummer.

[jrsthethird]

You're in PA, the only acceptable choice is Yuengling.

Yuengling is mediocre at best. PA offers Victory, Yards, Troegs, Tired Hands, Weyerbacher, and innumerable other craft choices. Go to Wegman's and buy some real beer.

[kirkusjones]

Yuengling is mediocre at best. PA offers Victory, Yards, Troegs, Tired Hands, Weyerbacher, and innumerable other craft choices. Go to Wegman's and buy some real beer.

As much as I am bummed about leaving Denver to come back to New York, it is wonderful to be back in the land of Wegmans.

On topic: my lgs can hardly move their packs of Eternal Masters, especially at $15 a pop.

[swoop]

So far had a ROI of 3 for every dollar invested. Not bad

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[Begle1]

It was an absolute blast to draft though, I got to draft four times and loved it.

Even my wife, who is vey much a novice, did well all four times and much preferred it to either Battle for Zendikar or Shadows of Innistrad draft. They did a great job keeping the majority of the cards pretty simple and fun, and it was well-balanced, and you could do a lot of very-fundamentally-different things.

I don't want packs to move, I want a glut so I have the chance for a few more $35-45 dollar drafts in a few months.

[CptHaddock]

Hate to bump this kind of old thread but looks like there is going to be another (small) print run of EM for the holidays. (http://wpn.wizards.com/en/article/eternal-masters-reprint) :smile:

[Dice_Box]

It's relevant news. Carry on.

[RobNC]

The last paragraph about booster drafting is an odd push. I know it was designed as a draft set, but there's also a lot of people who would love to draft it that don't want to dish out money for a draft when they're $10/pack.

[Sidneyious]

They better have goyf in there, it's a staple for both legacy and a must have for not blue modern decks.

Same with scm, he's hurting for a reprint along with others.

[Megadeus]

They better have goyf in there, it's a staple for both legacy and a must have for not blue modern decks.

Same with scm, he's hurting for a reprint along with others.

I think you're misunderstand what thread this is

[Bosque]

The last paragraph about booster drafting is an odd push. I know it was designed as a draft set, but there's also a lot of people who would love to draft it that don't want to dish out money for a draft when they're $10/pack.

Yeah, I drafted it once and it was amazing. It was one of the only drafts I did all year. If the packs were $4 each, I would have drafted it for months on end it was so much fun. But at $30 or more per draft? No thank you.

[UseLess]

I found the draft format incredibly disappointing. I loved the first Modern Masters and was really excited about this as well. Got my hands on two boxes at a reasonable price, but didn't bother opening the second one because the draft format, the games and the value sucked. We did a cube draft afterwards which was just so much more fun (and free!). Really a shame, I was looking forward to drafting this set, but after one bad experience and at the price these packs have, I'm not willing to give it another try just to blow $240 on another mediocre experience.

[apple713]

Wonder if it will be made available online

[Whitefaces]

To each their own, I thought the draft format was incredible! So many cool strategies and a very deep focus on synergy.


Wonder if it will be made available online

They usually put up powered cube over the holidays so that might detract from it a bit, but would be nice.

[Mr Miagi]

EMA draft was awesome. Nuff said. Looking forward to it again :wink:

[Darkenslight]

Yeah, I drafted it once and it was amazing. It was one of the only drafts I did all year. If the packs were $4 each, I would have drafted it for months on end it was so much fun. But at $30 or more per draft? No thank you.

I think, if it had been around $15-20/draft, that would have been the perfect point at which to buy in. That said, I can't help but think that Wizards were trying to exploit the expansion of the playerbase in recent years. EMA is such a great set to draft, wehile also not being completely beholden to the whims of cracking packs.