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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
johanessen
OMG anyone've seen Sylvan Librayi's price??
The Legends one is at 12. The others are still less than five dollars.
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Oh snap, I'm gonna unload the 4th playset I picked up for a buck back in 1999. 700% gain, word.
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Originally Posted by
Meekrab
Oh snap, I'm gonna unload the 4th playset I picked up for a buck back in 1999. 700% gain, word.
Did you take inflation into account?
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As a player who is attempting to break back in to the game (Legacy specifically, for the second time in two years) I can only say I'm absolutely amazed by the price increases.
I read this thread from post one until the end. It was a long, long day. From what I gathered the majority of posters here seem to be in favor of a reprint/redistribution of most of the key legacy cards in one way or another. Even a majority of the posters who are in the HAVE's category seem to support it.
I can see both points of view really. I started playing right around the end of the Unlimited print run. Was absolutely outraged when Chronicles hit. Lost a lot of money (nothing compared to what halving the Dual Lands cost would do to some people on here obviously) in value of my collection. The game still did go on (admittedly Chronicles didn't reprint all that much that was any good).
But there is definitely a problem when I am looking at potential decks to build and to build an established deck I am looking at $700 or more. I understand fully that this format is expensive but that's just ridiculous. I'd like to see a Deck to Beat somewhere around $400-500 tops and a casual deck at $100-250. That just seems more favorable to all players.
Maybe I'm bitter thinking about how my old collection that I sold for $150 would probably be around $5000-6000 now.
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What is up with enlightened tutors's sudden increase? I mean I cant find any in my city, and StarcityGames has them at $10.00 a piece. Im not mad cuz I have some but is the legacy demand that high now?
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
Black Rain
What is up with enlightened tutors's sudden increase? I mean I cant find any in my city, and StarcityGames has them at $10.00 a piece. Im not mad cuz I have some but is the legacy demand that high now?
Alot of people picking up UW Tempo?
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No. The price spike is a direct result of the recent success of Thopter decks. Sacher made T8 at the SCG in Orlando playing a Thopter Countertop deck that ran 4 Tutor. Not to mention their was a list in Indy at that SCG open that top 8ed and I believe ran a full set also.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
nodahero
No. The price spike is a direct result of the recent success of Thopter decks. Sacher made T8 at the SCG in Orlando playing a Thopter Countertop deck that ran 4 Tutor. Not to mention their was a list in Indy at that SCG open that top 8ed and I believe ran a full set also.
Just wanted to chime in to second this motion. Based on the buzz I've heard from various sources, Thopter decks (in Legacy) are for real, and should remain a part of the Tier 1/2 metagame in the format.
- Ben
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
So why is SCG buying Food Chain at $3? Banking on Recruiter getting unbanned?
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
Tha Gunslinga
So why is SCG buying Food Chain at $3? Banking on Recruiter getting unbanned?
Not really - plus Food Chain is fine in Goblins w/o Recruiter in Legacy (had several top 8 finishes across the world in the past year).
I've heard rumblings and grumblings about the Japanese working hard to break Food Chain in Legacy right now. Might not pan out to anything, but I tend to pay attention when someone mentions the Japanese plus a combo engine. I've seen a couple of very, very rudimentary versions of the deck on deckcheck.net (which have a lot of suboptimal cards), but the basic thought is that a evoked Mulldrifter = Six mana + 2 cards with a Food Chain out, and Deranged Hermit yields ten mana.
- Ben
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I'd love to see where you hunt for rumors. I get such a kick out of those Japanese guys who come up with these weird ideas that occasionally work, but I can't read Japanese and have no clue where they seem to congregate at. Chapin is my only source of juicy stuff, but he's usually out of town so I never talk to him much anymore.
BTW.
Seen a few decks using proxied up versions of ROE cards. Sadly enough, buy your Sneak Attacks. This stuff is actually kind of dumb how fast it is. Reminds me of Reanimators that don't use the grave, but have less resiliency to land hate. The funny thing is you can board into a graveyard deck for extra trickyness.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
dahcmai
BTW.
Seen a few decks using proxied up versions of ROE cards. Sadly enough, buy your Sneak Attacks. This stuff is actually kind of dumb how fast it is. Reminds me of Reanimators that don't use the grave, but have less resiliency to land hate. The funny thing is you can board into a graveyard deck for extra trickyness.
are you trying to control the market again ?
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Sneak attack has always been very bad, I don't see it getting ridiculous now.
Although, for as long as it have been a bad card, casual players have liked it and being an obscure rare from Urza was enough to keep its price quite high, so I can see how a slight increase in demand can make it even more expensive. But the deck would still suck.
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Why would you try to make a deck around Sneak Attack when Food Chain is so much better (you get to play creatures as a backup, you get to actually cast the Eldrazis, and it isn't in an awful color that forces you to "combo" with it, oh, and no EOT dying animals). Plus it's like 2.00$.
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Wtf!!
Have you seen the price of foil Daze now? It's approx. 30€ :eek:
I got mine 1 year ago for 7€.. :laugh:
Also foil Tarmagoyf are really expensive: 600€ a set! :mad:
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People wanted to buy playset of Spanish Foil Tarmogoyf at GP Madrid for 500€, and the owner says... NO :eek:
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I realize that the Revised ones are still "reasonable" compared to this(but still way to fucking high), but my jaw dropped.
http://cgi.ebay.com/MTG-Alpha-Underg...item5191ebf207
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That's not real surprising for an Underground Sea in that good of condition. I bid that one up to $500 myself, but called it good. I expect it to hit $700 or so.
As for the Sneak Attacks, guess it's too late now. Heh, missed your chance. Watch them go. Glad I was sitting on a few.
http://toys.shop.ebay.com/Magic-the-...=p3286.c0.m282
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Originally Posted by
pippo84
Wtf!!
Have you seen the price of foil Daze now? It's approx. 30€ :eek:
I got mine 1 year ago for 7€.. :laugh:
Also foil Tarmagoyf are really expensive: 600€ a set! :mad:
Luckily you included the emoticons so that I could use them to infer what a range of emotions you must have at the varying price of cardboard rectangles.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
dahcmai
That's not real surprising for an Underground Sea in that good of condition. I bid that one up to $500 myself, but called it good. I expect it to hit $700 or so.
actually, I bid that one up to $500. unless you're that 84 feedback guy that keeps bidding every two minutes and that bid it to $510.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
Black Rain
What is up with enlightened tutors's sudden increase? I mean I cant find any in my city, and StarcityGames has them at $10.00 a piece. Im not mad cuz I have some but is the legacy demand that high now?
Thropter runs 4 MD, and the Nassif/UWT board plan where you use Enlightened Tutor to find hate has become pretty popular. DnT is now running it, and I assume SFM Fish and some Bant players are catching on.
It's an *extremely* robust and powerful strategy at handling various types of combo that was laughed at when Nassif did it, and generally flew under the radar until a few months ago. Only in the last few weeks are we seeing decks other than UWT running it, the most popular deck being Thropter Foundry (which has the advantage of Maindecking all four Tutors).
If I had to bet, I'd say it's mostly Thropter Foundry, but that a lot of people are catching on that Enlightened Tutor is extremely playable in Legacy.
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I know that some enchantress guys have been playing it as an extra sterling grove or two. I'm not sold on it for that purpose yet, but it's decent.
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Originally Posted by
caiomarcos
Sneak attack has always been very bad, I don't see it getting ridiculous now.
thread #666
1 week from now after RoE becomes legal it will get ridiculous once permanents get vaporized by hasty pro-wurbg 15/15 flyers. This kinda sounds like the movie War of the Worlds doesn't it?
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...gang/wotw2.jpg
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LOL @ Sneak Attack! If this strategy ever wins a large tournament I will eat my Black Lotus.
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Originally Posted by
majikal
LOL @ Sneak Attack! If this strategy ever wins a large tournament I will eat my Black Lotus.
It actually won several tournaments back in 1999 and it popped to ninja some tournaments in Extended. It won against Replenish and Tinker, I would give the deck some credit.
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Originally Posted by
General_Norris
It actually won several tournaments back in 1999 and it popped to ninja some tournaments in Extended.
Yeah. That was 11 years ago.
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Originally Posted by
majikal
LOL @ Sneak Attack! If this strategy ever wins a large tournament I will eat my Black Lotus.
*sig'd*
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Originally Posted by
majikal
LOL @ Sneak Attack! If this strategy ever wins a large tournament I will eat my Black Lotus.
I demand you post a video of yourself doing so.
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Penguinizer
I demand you post a video of yourself doing so.
If it happens, I gladly will. But it won't, so it doesn't matter. ;)
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Originally Posted by
majikal
If it happens, I gladly will. But it won't, so it doesn't matter. ;)
I now have a new goal. ;)
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http://cgi.ebay.com/MTG-FBB-Tropical...item27b0d599a1
Jesus Fuck, people are going apeshit for FBB duals - bought mine for less than half that just a couple of months ago!
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
majikal
thats just retarded. I've only been seeing beta tropicals at $300 or so.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
dahcmai
That's not real surprising for an Underground Sea in that good of condition. I bid that one up to $500 myself, but called it good. I expect it to hit $700 or so.
According to ebay your highest bid was $200, unless you have two accounts.
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My friend just pointed out to me that every store on the internet is sold out of Thawing Glaciers.
Am I missing something? Is this card even useful outside of EDH?
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Eh, you're right, that was me on the $200 bid. I was testing the water on it, but forgot about it when I saw that Tropical Island. I bid $500 on one of them lately I know. The Foreign Tropical is me, I've been hunting one of those for a bit to finish up BB'ing my 43 lands deck. I still need one more actually. A little on the high side, but I haven't been able to find one on any of the stores I visit. Oh well, I didn't care too much on price for that one. That was an annoyance bidding. I don't expect prices on these to go down anytime soon anyway. It's getting silly.
Not sure on Thawing Glaciers. I found plenty out there.
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I got an FBB Bayou for 70$ last week. Is that good?
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
majikal
My friend just pointed out to me that every store on the internet is sold out of
Thawing Glaciers.
Am I missing something? Is this card even useful outside of EDH?
They sold out when people were psyched about using it with Amulet of Vigor. This is a fun casual combo - but not really one that seems to have tournament applications.
- Ben
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I tested that, but found the same thing. It's ok at best. Good for fun decks though.
$70 is pretty good for a FBB Bayou. I'd say you got a nice deal.
While Ben is here, I thought I'd ask a question. Can SCG aquire cards from countries such as Germany? I don't know how far reaching the company is and I wondered since I've heard the FBB duals are much cheaper there. Be nice to get a few over here for decent prices. I know I'd jump on it. I can't seem to find them anywhere. Alphas and Betas are even scarcer.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
dahcmai
the FBB duals were much cheaper there.
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