The reason is Gaddock Teeg.
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The reason is Gaddock Teeg.
Odd that you beat all the Blue decks and lost to the non-Blue decks. Maybe that just goes to show how geared up people are for Maverick and RUG that they aren't packing their combo hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benke
@Benke: Congratz on your finish! I'm very sourprised to see burning wish again in the ANT list. My question is why did you feel that you needed it? Did you feel that tutoring just with Infernal tutor was not enough?
Burn is in its best moment in a long time i think, although it left the BDT list, it's a hard match up. How do you side against it? In my case i increse the discard outlet.
in ANT, it's the fact that it's CMC is 4. Bad to flip off Ad Nauseam and doesn't work against Teeg.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Enemy Wizard
It's been very good in DDFT though ;)
Thanks! The main reason was that I dont have any Grim tutors, if I had one I would probably not play with burning wish. On the other hand, having a toolbox sideboard can be extremly useful, and has saved me alot of times (pyroclasm against hatebears, meltdown whish is totally sick against some decks or just to securing comboing next turn by taking a thoughtsieze from the board). Also, being able to go off with empty the warrens turn 1 is also pretty neat.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenCid
Currently I dont think I'll changed them. I must admit that I feel "better" when I see an infernal tutor in hand, and the fact that burning wish gets removed after being cast complicates things with past in flames.
I dont own grim tutors too, so i invested some slots on cantrip spell and it worked. However, sometimes i feel "too infernal tutor dependant". Indeed i didnt think on burning wish but on Lim-Dul's Vault. What can you say?
Combined Infernal Tutor + Burning Wish. Another similar list made the Top 8 in the same event:
Lands (15)
1 Badlands
1 Bloodstained Mire
2 Island
4 Polluted Delta
3 Scalding Tarn
1 Swamp
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
Instants (13)
1 Ad Nauseam
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual
Sorceries (24)
3 Burning Wish
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Duress
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Past in Flames
4 Ponder
1 Tendrils of Agony
Artifacts (8)
4 Lions Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
Sideboard (15)
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Deathmark
2 Echoing Truth
1 Empty the Warrens
3 Extirpate
1 Past in Flames
1 Pyroclasm
2 Slaughter Pact
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Virtues Ruin
http://manainfinito.com/articulos/le...lcl-2012-abril
Played this recently.
1 Ad Nauseam
4 Brainstorm
3 Burning Wish
4 Cabal Ritual
3 Cabal Therapy
1 Chrome Mox
4 Dark Ritual
4 Duress
3 Gitaxian Probe
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
1 Past in Flames
4 Ponder
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Bloodstained Mire
2 Island
4 Polluted Delta
3 Scalding Tarn
1 Swamp
2 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
Sideboard:
2 Slaughter Pact
2 Chain of Vapor
1 Echoing Truth
2 Extirpate
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Chrome Mox
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Meltdown
1 Past in Flames
1 Silent Departure
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Virtue's Ruin
Deck is very good. Meltdown was probably the worst wish target(never used it, should probably be pulverize if anything at all, don't really know what I want it for, other than chalice which is soemthing i see so rarely that it feels like a wasted slot). But it may be a necessary evil. Extirpate was awesome since reanimator and dredge are pretty miserable. I'm glad I cut the 4th probe for the first chrome moxen in the main. The second one in the board is for the non force decks mostly. sometimes kind of hate probe but the information is pretty nice.
What result did you get? Could you make a brief report for us please?
I'll give a brief one since i didn't do so hot.
6 rounds.
rd1 U stiflenought w/ counterbalance
g1 I rush and go off as i am worried about cb/ top engine coming online and forgot about a card he hid on top of his library with top and thought I was in the clear and get forced.
g2 I ad nauseam, he dazes and I pay, down to 2 and punt. a bunch of black mana in pool and past in flames in hand w/ an IT if I lead with past in flames he has to counter since I have a burning wish in yard he does not know about either IT or PiF in hand. I lead with IT and cracking LED. i flash back past in flames and end up one mana short of casting a tutor and tendrils. if I lead with PiF he dies. also I guess that daze from earlier was relevant. oops. at this point I am tilting pretty bad due to two huge mistakes, but I figure its good to get it out of the way now against a miserable matchup considering I havent played ANT in a long time. but the fact that i could have won those pretty easily is frustrating
round 2 played SDEMatt w/ the rock (see his report in the rock thread if you desire, his notes are better than mine)
g1 T2 ad naus to 5. tendrils. dead.
g2 (6)I debate on going turn one 12 gobbos but hold due to the fact that in game one a duress or probe revealed a pulse and an EE. I figure I can wait instead of walking into getting blown out. my hesitation costs me the game as he stabilizes at one
g3 I double probe seeing double inq, bob, and lands my probes drew me to some business he turn one in quisition i brainstorm hiding LED and IT he surgicals i never get back in it.
round 3 my opponenet forgot to drop (bye)
round 4 Maverick
g1 ad nausem. tendrils
g2 he has a multitude(e tutor for canonsit, thali, mind censor, rule of law) of hate bears I lose
g3 I ad nauseam again and kill him on some low flips for mana, he sighs, probably because he realizes storm is awesome. and CAB.
r5 reanimator
g1 He gets an early jin i lose
g2 I extirpate his first target and have double therapy in hand after wards to rip his hand apart, I eventually tendrils him.
g3 I go gobbos early after he sticks a jin, he cannot find an answer in time.
r6 u/r delver Buddy of mine, we rode up together
we both mull to 5 and stare at each for ever. i get there off past in flames with 2x brainstorm and 2 x ponder in the yard. it was stupid. he had merfolk of the pearl trident beating me down.
g2. he beats me down with merfolk of the pearl trident for a while I tendrils him for 12 to buy myself soem time to stay alive. he was at five my next two draws were IT and lotus petal with 5 lands in play.
he never flipped his delvers in most of our games we lament about variance and why we shouldn't play magic and what we could spend our time on instead. the driver of our car makes top 8(ends up taking it down) me and friend from round 6 get drunk.
multiple hate bears are annoying. storm is awesome. Still don't know which version I like the most
ended up 4-2
Anybody know of any good Storm articals? Links are appreciated :)
@ThomasDowd something seems wrong, you go for Ad nauseam often, btw. isn't 1 Infernal Tutor SB better? I find - BW -> IT -> Pif common route in similar builds
I must agree here. Most often is the target with burning wish an infernal tutor in the SB, since otherwise you're unable to cast PiF. Also, I only use ad nauseam in extreme emergencies. I hate the inconsistency and total randomness of ad naus, and would almost always prefer it to be an Empty the Warrens instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloshthedark
It might've been a coincidence, but meltdown was a real bomb for me. Totally demolishing both MUD and affinity was something extremely useful.
i used it more a s a draw ten than anything else. I took the lines i saw. Vs. maverick you just want speed, AN helps a lot with this as also beating multiple hate bears is pretty miserable, so i'd rather turn one or two them. might put the second copy in the board for this reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloshthedark
possibly, I remember when I used to do that with other versions like this but hated it due to (a)the spot it took in the board(b) the mana requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloshthedark
I may play some more games and see how often it comes up but I like it right now. typically you can set it up with the first infernal tutor for more action (ritual, protection, whatever) and then burning wish for past in flames from there. you only ever need one IT in the yard once past in flames resolves. also ponders and brainstorms get there a surprising amount of the time(they always do)
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Originally Posted by MTG Junkie
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Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
Yea iv seen all those,but thank you. I appreciate the post.
Iv been playing T.E.S. for a bit now and it just seems like you have to get lucky every time with th e deck. There's got to be a good reason why Storm/Ant has put up better results at SCG opens than TES.....right.
From the little iv gathered it seems like ANT is more mid rang with the win locked in. But I'm no ANT pro or anything.
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Originally Posted by MTG Junkie
These two by Ari Lax speak more to what you are asking
http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/l...enIn_2012.html
http://www.gatheringmagic.com/legacy-storm-primer/
Ant is less focused on Ad Nauseam, although recently decks have started to include more moxes to move that direction, Tes is definitely more about the early game, think about it like this, how long of game can you play in legacy with lands that expend themselves ping you and are destroy by wasteland... Ant sacrifices some speed for a more solid manabase, and less burning wish(traditionally)
I feel like TES beats Maverick better than Ant, which is why TES is currently doing so well. Burning Wish, in addition to discard and bounce, allows you to reliably answer hate. Though, it looks like you guys are catching on with Burning Wish. But, you're really somewhere between TES and Ant regardless with the inclusion of BW.
-Matthew
Liam Kane was advocating a list that similar to the PiF deck floating around right now that uses Rite of Flames in place of Cabal Ritual. It plays out very similarly, but has a tougher time going for tutor chains due to the restricted black mana.
Just adding more :r: to the fires.
Hows the list doing so far? And,,, whats the list?Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby