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I think that sideboarding Therapy is great usually, but might be too slow in the current meta.
The original Scape lists ran 7-8 basics with 4 Vet, 2 STE, 2 Wood Elves. Nissa has since replaced one Wood Elves, but in general the reason it was set up this way was not because ramp, but rather because colors. Since you only have room for a couple fetchlands, the deck had issues actually hitting all of its colors, and the ramp creatures helped out with that (the fact that they accelerated your scapeshift was a secondary purpose).
If you didn't have any issues with your manabase aside from Port (which any 3-color deck will), then good for you. I just wanted to add a little historical context since you stated you weren't happy with Sakura-Tribe in the list. There IS a reason he's there...but if you're comfortable dropping to that few basics, then you should feel free to cut him.
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Originally Posted by
Navsi
True, but I'm most concerned about blowing a Veteran with Cabal Therapy before turn three. After that point I'm significantly more likely to want to blow my Vet with Innocent Blood than with Therapy.
IB is more likely to be countered (tempo wise).
Anyway that was "just" a small tip you can add to your list / back of your head.
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Originally Posted by
Ralf
IB is more likely to be countered (tempo wise).
Anyway that was "just" a small tip you can add to your list / back of your head.
I used to keep a Crop Rotation or two available for Bogging someone or getting tower for Explorer.
Rotation replaces its mana allowing you to super-accelerate more often without running multiple towers:
T1 Land, Explorer
T2 Land, Rotate, Tower->Sac for 2, Explorer for 2 -> 5 mana available (better than the cabal therapy line.)
You could also equate the Cabal Therapy line by holding explorer back to avoid Plow; but it depends whether you fear Plow or Daze more..
Since the deck is all about ramping and card advantage, I didn't hate Crop Rotation; it's just a bit if you face too many blue-control decks (who can counter it and have a reasonable MU to begin with.)
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Hi Fit Folks, could someone direct me or post here a general strategy guideline for Nic Fit against common meta decks? I'm relatively new to the deck and have been running Junk Rhino Fit, and seems to have still a difficult time against Miracles/Mentor if I can't quickly strip they're hand. Veteran's death seems to help them out a lot too, what line of play is better against them? Show and Tell is also difficult if I can't strip their hand. Is that the only line to rely on? Against Storm I usually win if I can get a Gaddock in play.
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Originally Posted by
TTX
Hi Fit Folks, could someone direct me or post here a general strategy guideline for Nic Fit against common meta decks? I'm relatively new to the deck and have been running Junk Rhino Fit, and seems to have still a difficult time against Miracles/Mentor if I can't quickly strip they're hand. Veteran's death seems to help them out a lot too, what line of play is better against them? Show and Tell is also difficult if I can't strip their hand. Is that the only line to rely on? Against Storm I usually win if I can get a Gaddock in play.
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Others may go more in depth, but I'll contribute a few quick hits.
-) Don't off Veterans against Miracles unless you absolutely need the mana to make your hand work. They're one of very few decks which runs as many basics as we do and which use said mana as well or better than us. You usually board out 4 Vet 4 Therapy vs them.
-) As with many matchups, this one revolves around resolving Deed. Sequence your plays such that you end up with a Deed in play. Nic Fit plays a ton of "must-counter" spells...that, coupled with Therapy, is how we push through blue decks. Take advantage of that and play accordingly. If you know you have a window when they tapped out for something and you have info on their hand, slam it -- otherwise, choke out their hand and drop Deed when they're out of protection.
-) Sideboarding Slaughter Games helps out tremendously with all three of these matchups. It doesn't take much -- just put in a Taiga and two Deathrites, and you'll be fine. Slaughter Games is the single best defense against Show and Tell that exists in the format. It loses to exactly Leyline of Sanctity: nothing else stops it, and the effect it has upon combo decks, especially Show and Tell based ones, is devastating.
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Originally Posted by
TTX
Hi Fit Folks, could someone direct me or post here a general strategy guideline for Nic Fit against common meta decks? I'm relatively new to the deck and have been running Junk Rhino Fit, and seems to have still a difficult time against Miracles/Mentor if I can't quickly strip they're hand. Veteran's death seems to help them out a lot too, what line of play is better against them? Show and Tell is also difficult if I can't strip their hand. Is that the only line to rely on? Against Storm I usually win if I can get a Gaddock in play.
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Well, vs. blue decks that aren't Storm or Miracles either resolve Siege Rhino if they don't run white and if they do resolve Sigarda.
Vs. Storm: Carpet of Flowers and pray to whatever deity you wish that you make it. Even having Gaddock Teeg doesn't mean you're safe.
Vs. Miracles: Carpet of Flowers again. Also, Abrupt Decay becomes a house. Just don't over extend into a Terminus. Deed is a valuable card here as it keeps you from getting killed. Don't worry too much about your creatures, everything dies to Terminus anyway. If you have it, Thragtusk can be pretty good here.
Vs. Elves: Discard, Deed & PtE are your best friends here. Veteran Explorer isn't much of a problem as they run 2 basics max. Just don't ever blow one when they have a full hand (unless they attack into it and you can drop a Deed on your turn). Disrupt, stabilize, kill. If you make it past turn 3 you probably have a shot at winning. Gaddock Teeg also does a lot of work here.
Vs. non-blue decks that run white: Resolve Sigarda.
Vs. non-blue decks that don't run white: Have fun with it. If you have Meren in your 60 odds are you can deal with whatever they're trying to do. Looping PtE (or Deed) is a powerful thing to do. Lands still is a toughy though.
Oh, and vs. graveyard decks. Well... You know... DRS & Scavenging Ooze and postboard Rest in Peace.
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Against Miracles, they can't beat a Deed in play. You basically lose if they Counter-lock you and then resolve Jace. Needle on Jace really helps, since they have so few answers to artifacts/enchantments/walkers. Token walkers are your best bet (Elspeth, Garruk), but Sigarda and Thrun do good work as well. Slaughter Games on Jace (depending on your position) is generally game over. Jund has the advantage over white, here.
I don't have much to add except Carpet is good against Miracles, but cards like Tsunami, Choke, and Games are better. Carpet is fine. Those others are great.
Become one with the Rhino, and all shall be well. Looping Rhinos and Meren using Tower is pretty much the illest. That is all.
-Matt
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Hey, look who finally got out of his Porsche. Lol.
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Originally Posted by
sdematt
Become one with the Rhino, and all shall be well. That is all.
-Matt
I feel like this should become the official motto of this thread.
It just sounds like something straight from a bible
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Originally Posted by
Echelon
Hey, look who finally got out of his Porsche. Lol.
I'm here for a good time, but not a long time.
-Matt
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Originally Posted by
rubblekill
I feel like this should become the official motto of this thread.
It just sounds like something straight from a bible
Does this mean we all need to get our Rhinoes altered to have Matt's face..?
Would be the creepiest thing ever.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
sdematt
I'm here for a good time, but not a long time.
-Matt
The chariot awaits!
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I was sorting cards today and realized I have so many extra Rhinos.
PM me if you want Rhinos.
I'll be playing in the upcoming weekly and I'll post results.
-Matt
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Originally Posted by
sdematt
I was sorting cards today and realized I have so many extra Rhinos.
PM me if you want Rhinos.
I'll be playing in the upcoming weekly and I'll post results.
-Matt
I'm good, I've got a set of clash pack foil Rhinos (the ones where the art is charging towards you). I like to have alternate art stuff.
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Originally Posted by
sdematt
I was sorting cards today and realized I have so many extra Rhinos.
PM me if you want Rhinos.
I'll be playing in the upcoming weekly and I'll post results.
-Matt
Only if you sign 'em.
Yesterday i was playing against Grixis Delver. This MU is indeed a weird one. Those bug's really can crawl under your skin. Games where close, was able to pressure my opponents hand to 0 and wipe his board. Had 2 Rhino's out and still he won thru double bolt on the crucial turn. Conclusion here is lifegain. Altough we have some, we lack some to. I cut the 6 drop and added 2 Liliana going to 61 MD. But was not feeling right either...
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What Bobmans said :smile:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
rubblekill
I feel like this should become the official motto of this thread.
It just sounds like something straight from a bible
Quote:
Originally Posted by
sdematt
I'm here for a good time, but not a long time.
-Matt
I love this thread.
For reference, I have trips foil Belagerungsnashorns, because there's nothing quite like trolling legacy tryhards with german foil standard cards.
Miracles can answer a resolved Deed if they run Council's Judgment -- this requires them to actually run the card (not many do these days), draw their singleton copy, and then not have used it on something else problematic (Sigarda comes to mind, since it's their only permanent answer to her). tl;dr: it's very hard and very unlikely for them to beat a resolved Deed.
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Originally Posted by
Arianrhod
I love this thread.
For reference, I have trips foil Belagerungsnashorns, because there's nothing quite like trolling legacy tryhards with german foil standard cards.
That's beyond epic.
At the invitational in december some guy on Esper Deathblade asked me if I even ran any legacy cards at all (he saw me wreck BUG Delver with my Siege Rhinos and Meren). I looked him straight in the eye and replied "I play fetchlands. Fetchlands are legacy cards, right?". I then got the pleasure of staring at the blank space where the guys face used to be as he looked at me with incomprehension and disbelief.
Unfortunately I didn't get to face the guy before getting my ass handed to me by Infect.
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Originally Posted by
Echelon
That's beyond epic.
At the invitational in december some guy on Esper Deathblade asked me if I even ran any legacy cards at all (he saw me wreck BUG Delver with my Siege Rhinos and Meren). I looked him straight in the eye and replied "I play fetchlands. Fetchlands are legacy cards, right?". I then got the pleasure of staring at the blank space where the guys face used to be as he looked at me with incomprehension and disbelief.
Unfortunately I didn't get to face the guy before getting my ass handed to me by Infect.
I played the third rhino, naturally, against a grixis delver player in a daily a few weeks back and he said "I play legacy to escape that stupid card. Why are you doing this?"
Kitchen finks might be a thing to consider for lifegain and resilience.
Also, Matt, "I'm not here for a long time, I'm here for a good time." -George Strait
To quote another artist: "aisdnuiwbdguibdgka cotton-eyed joe. I'd been married a long time ago. afwethwvetgbrtb cotton-eyed joe."
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Originally Posted by
Ricardio
I played the third rhino, naturally, against a grixis delver player in a daily a few weeks back and he said "I play legacy to escape that stupid card. Why are you doing this?"
Kitchen finks might be a thing to consider for lifegain and resilience.
Also, Matt, "I'm not here for a long time, I'm here for a good time." -George Strait
To quote another artist: "aisdnuiwbdguibdgka cotton-eyed joe. I'd been married a long time ago. afwethwvetgbrtb cotton-eyed joe."
"He said we're here for a good time
Not a long time (not a long time)
So have a good time
The sun can't shine every day"
I know my Trooper decently well, they're a local band.
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Super Troopers? I love that movie
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I feel like rocksteady driving a porche would be a fitting alter for matts rhinos...
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Originally Posted by
Ricardio
I played the third rhino, naturally, against a grixis delver player in a daily a few weeks back and he said "I play legacy to escape that stupid card. Why are you doing this?"
Kitchen finks might be a thing to consider for lifegain and resilience.
Also, Matt, "I'm not here for a long time, I'm here for a good time." -George Strait
To quote another artist: "aisdnuiwbdguibdgka cotton-eyed joe. I'd been married a long time ago. afwethwvetgbrtb cotton-eyed joe."
Back on-topic, I think you may be right about finks. The question I have heading into the weekend is this: Thragtusk or Finks to compliment Rhino? Expected meta is primarily Delver, Miracles, and Sneak/Show. With such a high % of delver (usually 50% or more of the room running some variant...UR/Grixis/RUG/4C), I think this comment about Finks makes a lot of sense. To toss in a blocker who prolongs the match via lifegain isn't a terrible idea. Finks can also combo with Therapy.
The downside is that Finks simply isn't the same overall power as Tusk. But Arianrhod's discussion of other decks running through him a few weeks ago makes me think this card is an x-factor I forgot about.
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I like Finks against Burn for example. It's an alright GSZ target. Not sure how many you want to be running. I'd almost rather run Obstinate Baloth most of the time to help against Liliana/Hymn decks. Big body, life gain as a big chunk, trumps non-goyf bodies on the ground.
That said, I also found that Baloth was too mediocre about half the time and I eventually went to Bloodghast to be more aggro oriented.
C'est La Vie.
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Originally Posted by
Warden
Back on-topic, I think you may be right about finks. The question I have heading into the weekend is this: Thragtusk or Finks to compliment Rhino? Expected meta is primarily Delver, Miracles, and Sneak/Show. With such a high % of delver (usually 50% or more of the room running some variant...UR/Grixis/RUG/4C), I think this comment about Finks makes a lot of sense. To toss in a blocker who prolongs the match via lifegain isn't a terrible idea. Finks can also combo with Therapy.
The downside is that Finks simply isn't the same overall power as Tusk. But Arianrhod's discussion of other decks running through him a few weeks ago makes me think this card is an x-factor I forgot about.
But at that point, you could also play Courser. I feel like if you're struggling with Delver decks in particular and you're already at 4 Rhino, why not run something like Tracker, or even a Spike Feeder? Courser is continuous advantage but less initial swing in the lifepoints, but Tracker knocks Delvers out of the sky pretty well.
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Originally Posted by
Arianrhod
I love this thread.
For reference, I have trips foil Belagerungsnashorns, because there's nothing quite like trolling legacy tryhards with german foil standard cards.
Miracles can answer a resolved Deed if they run Council's Judgment -- this requires them to actually run the card (not many do these days), draw their singleton copy, and then not have used it on something else problematic (Sigarda comes to mind, since it's their only permanent answer to her). tl;dr: it's very hard and very unlikely for them to beat a resolved Deed.
I actually played against an esper Mentor player on Sunday playing with painful truths. I crushed him. Pfire is sweet.
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Originally Posted by
jbone2016
I actually played against an esper Mentor player on Sunday playing with painful truths. I crushed him. Pfire is sweet.
Truths is a good card. So is Fires. Hmmmmmm...
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Why not just jam it all? I've actually been pretty happy running truth in the card selection slot and knight of the reliquary in the slot where you're discussing finks. Being able to get bog or depths is pretty clutch, and the extra threat density seems to be the deciding factor against miracles. At some point you have more things than they can answer, and thats saying a lot.
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Originally Posted by
sdematt
Truths is a good card. So is Fires. Hmmmmmm...
Fires keeps drawing us. I made the call to stick to Junk as i am preparing it for a wider range of decks to play against. Cus that's what basicly is the difference between Junk and Jund, a broader vs a more narrow meta.
I failed to see the obvisous while playing Grixis; the full set of Deathrite Shaman out of the board replacing Liliana and PTruths games 2/3. Next to Courser, Scooze and 4 Rhino this should suffice. At least DRS can stall their DRS and draw bolt's away. "One bullet away", it would have been the difference. I should play grixis more tight.
Slightly updating my signature list.
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Yeah, starting out with DRS & Scooze works quite well vs. Delver. Especially Scooze can walk away with a game if they can't get rid of it. Though in the end Grixis Delver is just another delver.dec, so you shouldn't worry about it too much.
On the 3 mana lifegain slot: I use a Courser for that, works like a dream. Can block quite a good bit, gives CA/CQ & life to boot.
Finks might give more life on short term, but outside of a Pod build I wouldn't run it.
On another note - sideboard cards: Tsunami seems like fun. On the other hand they do make Carpet of Flowers obsolete where Choke keeps those up and running. Thoughts, anyone?
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I've been grinding grixis delver both for my colorless list and for my roommate's scapewish, and we've come to the conclusion that the matchup revolves almost entirely around Cabal Therapy. If we see Therapy, even one usage is usually enough to force through something stupid. This would tend to suggest that boarding in Thoughtseizes is correct, despite the lifeloss and questionable nature of midgame topdecks. Grixis seems like it runs out of gas somewhere around turn 5 or so, so it really is just a matter of surviving the early game and getting to turn 5 with a reasonably healthy life total.
We've also concluded that Grixis really doesn't appreciate upside 3/2s for 3. Kitchen Finks (for him) and Matter Reshaper (for me) have both been pulling tremendous amounts of work. Against Grixis, the best defense is sometimes a good offense. If you can get out enough power quickly enough, their efficient but small creatures don't stack up very well. Finks in particular has been fantastic.
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Originally Posted by
Bobmans
Fires keeps drawing us. I made the call to stick to Junk as i am preparing it for a wider range of decks to play against. Cus that's what basicly is the difference between Junk and Jund, a broader vs a more narrow meta.
I failed to see the obvisous while playing Grixis; the full set of Deathrite Shaman out of the board replacing Liliana and PTruths games 2/3. Next to Courser, Scooze and 4 Rhino this should suffice. At least DRS can stall their DRS and draw bolt's away. "One bullet away", it would have been the difference. I should play grixis more tight.
Slightly updating my signature list.
Rhino's abbondanza may very well be the best name for the deck I have ever read, I'm stealing it!
"Become one with the Rhino, brothers and sisters, and all shall be well" - Gospel of Matthew (12:4 - 6)
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I've been on the hype train for GBC fit for awhile, keeping up with the current lists being posted on here and updating my list with them. I played the deck in a small event at my lgs and there were some little things just with clunkily with the deck? It felt like the deck often wanted more basics, eye seemed awkward, and matter reshaper seemed like not enough to justify playing the waste. Since I've NEVER played nic fit until recently I had @Ricardio help me brew up some changes to help smooth it out. We ended up at
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
1 Oracle of Mul Days
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 Kozilek, the Great Distortion
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Toxic Deluge
2 Skeletal Scrying
4 Bayou
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Phyrexian Tower
3 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
4 Forest
3 Swamp
sideboard
2 Carpet of Flowers
2 Massacre
2 Pithing Needle
2 Disfigure
2 Thoughtseize
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Golgari Charm
1 Dryad Militant
I never got a chance to play the deck after the changes but I'm feeling hopeful. A few things about the deck tho, Kozilek is incredible, even running him into obvious counters is just gas, Prime Time is NUTS, and Newlamog is p much strictly better than original. Read the bones was changed to scrying after Ricardios insistence than read is basically unplayable, I always found it perfectly fine but I'm willing to take the advice of a veteran player. some of the zenith package is kind of just yolo'd tbh, I think there was a nath of the gilt leaf in consideration for awhile and Titania? Any suggestions are definitely welcome
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Originally Posted by
Dominic Pain
4 Bayou
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Phyrexian Tower
3 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
4 Forest
3 Swamp
[/cards]
I count 12 initial green and 11 black manasources. That's just way too low.
You need to -2 Forest, -1 Swamp, +2 Windswept Heath and +1 Marsh Flats. That'd bring your initial counts up to 13 each, which are both slightly too low to really be reliable. I know it puts you at a dangerously low number of basics, but not being colorscrewed beats not having any basics to fetch after your second Explorer. I'd also switch out 2 Bayou for another Heath and another Flats. This gives Courser, Oracle and Top more shuffle effects to shuffle away unwanted cards from the top.
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Originally Posted by
rubblekill
Rhino's abbondanza may very well be the best name for the deck I have ever read, I'm stealing it!
"Become one with the Rhino, brothers and sisters, and all shall be well" - Gospel of Matthew (12:4 - 6)
Heh, you see the 'hidden' references in that name?
BTW: Rhino's Abbondanza pimp in progress:
(click the thumbnail)
http://s17.postimg.org/dqden9m97/20160203_174829.jpg
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@Dominic Pain
Here is original list of GBC before new set http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...Nic-Feat-8Post. It contains all referred data about manabase. It was running 6 basics along with 5 fetchlands and 4 Duals, this gives:
- 13 green mana
- 11 black mana or 10 if splash.
List also included additional ramp/fixing colors in sort of Solemns and Wood Elves. Those where very important elements to supplement manabase when you faced recursive wastelands on opponent side. 6 Basics is very important since it allow to cast Titans.
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Originally Posted by
Fatal
@Dominic Pain
Here is original list of GBC before new set
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...Nic-Feat-8Post. It contains all referred data about manabase. It was running 6 basics along with 5 fetchlands and 4 Duals, this gives:
- 13 green mana
- 11 black mana or 10 if splash.
List also included additional ramp/fixing colors in sort of Solemns and Wood Elves. Those where very important elements to supplement manabase when you faced recursive wastelands on opponent side. 6 Basics is very important since it allow to cast Titans.
That list seems great. Anything with 4 primeval titan and cabal therapy is worth a damn in my opinion. I may very well shuffle that pile together. TEMPTING!
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Skeletal Scrying actually seems pretty interesting here...I forgot that card exists. I think I have a foil in a box somewhere, maybe I'll test a singleton and see how it feels. Have you felt like you needed Ulamog? I'm skeptical on a third Eldrazi titan...seems like it might clunk up too much.
I think that Eye is still too important to cut, since it turns Zenith for 6 into a wincon. It's awkward and annoying and sucks at times, but it's powerful enough to justify its existence imo. I also tested out the Fierce Empath, and have been loving him in this deck.
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Matter Reshaper
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
1 Eternal Witness
1 Fierce Empath
2 Obstinate Baloth
1 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Kozilek, the Great Distortion
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Read the Bones
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Abrupt Decay
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Forest
1 Swamp
1 Wastes
3 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Windswept Heath
3 Bayou
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Eye of Ugin
//sb
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Golgari Charm
2 Krosan Grip
2 Thought-Knot Seer
2 Disfigure
1 Nether Void
2 Trinisphere
2 Thoughtseize
2 Warping Wail
This is my current list after deciding to abandon the Living Wishes. It's felt super solid and has been strong vs everything we've thrown at it. In the cheeky Nic Fit mirror world, it's still about a half a turn to a full turn behind Scapewish, so it's unfavored there...but, since it's -only- that little behind, it basically smashes all other Nic Fits. For whatever that matters.
I'm kind of annoyed about the Wastes, but I think that it's actually important enough to stay because of the sideboard. You can make the argument that I could add another colored source over it and just run different sideboard cards, but the difference between Warping Wail and Massacre, say, is huge. Wail and TKS have both proven valuable as sideboard cards, and I'm recalcitrant to get rid of them for weaker cards.
Matter Reshaper has continued its service of excellence. I'm debating put the third back in over Wurmcoil, but haven't come to a real conclusion on that yet.
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Originally Posted by
Arianrhod
Skeletal Scrying actually seems pretty interesting here...I forgot that card exists. I think I have a foil in a box somewhere, maybe I'll test a singleton and see how it feels. Have you felt like you needed Ulamog? I'm skeptical on a third Eldrazi titan...seems like it might clunk up too much.
I think that Eye is still too important to cut, since it turns Zenith for 6 into a wincon. It's awkward and annoying and sucks at times, but it's powerful enough to justify its existence imo. I also tested out the Fierce Empath, and have been loving him in this deck.
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Matter Reshaper
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
1 Eternal Witness
1 Fierce Empath
2 Obstinate Baloth
1 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Kozilek, the Great Distortion
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Read the Bones
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Abrupt Decay
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Forest
1 Swamp
1 Wastes
3 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Windswept Heath
3 Bayou
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Eye of Ugin
//sb
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Golgari Charm
2 Krosan Grip
2 Thought-Knot Seer
2 Disfigure
1 Nether Void
2 Trinisphere
2 Thoughtseize
2 Warping Wail
This is my current list after deciding to abandon the Living Wishes. It's felt super solid and has been strong vs everything we've thrown at it. In the cheeky Nic Fit mirror world, it's still about a half a turn to a full turn behind Scapewish, so it's unfavored there...but, since it's -only- that little behind, it basically smashes all other Nic Fits. For whatever that matters.
I'm kind of annoyed about the Wastes, but I think that it's actually important enough to stay because of the sideboard. You can make the argument that I could add another colored source over it and just run different sideboard cards, but the difference between Warping Wail and Massacre, say, is huge. Wail and TKS have both proven valuable as sideboard cards, and I'm recalcitrant to get rid of them for weaker cards.
Matter Reshaper has continued its service of excellence. I'm debating put the third back in over Wurmcoil, but haven't come to a real conclusion on that yet.
I watched something very similar to that list in action last night and I was not in the slightest bit impressed. No disrespect but it just seems like EDH fit the dream. By playing cloudpost in nic fit, ramp in ramp, you are creating the inception deck. A dream in a dream. It needs focus and a game plan. Mana and fatties equal wins but theres gotta be a plan.
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Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Bobmans
That's gotta be the new official name. It's too good. Impressive pic btw.
I want to run your list this weekend. What tweaks would you make for a meta dominated by delver + miracles + sneak show?
I'd probably drop the 2 Lillianas. Not sure what goes in...Teeg and QPM? Or do I shave a PTE as well and go 1 Teeg 2 G.Charm main deck? Zero DRS makes me very nervous.
