[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

[Lemnear]

Lol @ hatred towards casual / EDH players

No wonder people play commander where you can build a deck for a few hundred bucks opposed to Legacy where a godd deck is 1500-2000$. And it's not like your EDH deck will be way worse if you only have 3 fetches and 2 duals and no FoW. Also, competitive 1v1 EDH exists, and is sporting 30-40 player tournaments weekly in France and monthly in the Phillippines and some parts of the US, which is quite something if you consider that the format is not supported by Wizards and is being governed by a group of 5 French dudes. People play so-called casual formats like Cube and EDH because they are burnt out / can't afford Legacy/Standard/Modern deck or have no time / desire to invest in and play 'serious' formats.

But please cry more about them filthy casuals driving up the price of Mana Crypt, Consecrated Sphinx and duals while you post your fully foiled out Japanese RUG deck on the pimp thread.

Erm .., you are aware that Mana Crypt is a singleton in Vintage and EDH and Sphinx is a an EDH only card? The demand for those cards is way, way below the one of Duals and stuff and still it skyrockets for no reason . Somethings fishy here, dood

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Erm .., you are aware that Mana Crypt is a singleton in Vintage and EDH and Sphinx is a an EDH only card? The demand for those cards is way, way below the one of Duals and stuff and still it skyrockets for no reason . Somethings fishy here, dood

Definitely something fishy about Mana Crypt. Other than that, Kage is right.

It saddens me that with the power creep and increased popularity of game (and the tournament formats for that matter), one can't build a true casual deck anymore. There are so many powerful cards that simply wreck any USD 50 deck, that it's not easily possible to "compete" even in non-competitive environment. Yes, there's always all-common, and I believe that it's the format where cheap decks (in the real sense of word) might exist, but last time I checked the Pauper metagame, I didn't like it much. Now, Peasant/Noble might be a bit different, but I delved into the formats even less.

Basic lands aside, there are still some 70 cards left in your EDH (or 40 in your "normal" deck) and even if they cost approx. one buck, you still got a small pack of cardboard for 50 USD. But would it even be remotely viable? Except for Pauper, I don't think it's possible to build really cheap decks anymore. Look, even crappy commons and junk stuff costs at least 10 cents. And will you build 100CrawWurms.dec?

/first world troubles

[Lemnear]

Reminds me of an ol' topic: I'm all for better preconstructed decks. 30$ - decent modern deck with solid playables overall and not just 1-2 cards + junk


Edit: Oh, Wastelands upped again! Nice, my Judge ones now start @ 1000€ the set ... Gonna stick 'em back to MCM for 2k then lol

[Kayradis]

Just give them to me.

[TheAardvark]

I doubt that's going to happen. China fakes are getting better and better and at some point, they're probably going to be undistinguishable from the real thing.

FWIW, according to people who have allegedly seen the current fakes in person, they aren't as good as previously reported, and aren't too difficult to distinguish from authentic cards, so that is very possibly still a long time from now.

[majikal]

Nothing fishy going on with Mana Crypt at all if you understand how a lot of EDH players operate. The diehard players build an insane amount of decks - some 20+ and many consider Mana Crypt to be an auto-include. So you've got a bunch of people buying all the Mana Crypts to put in their decks and the price goes through the roof. It's not like there's that many of them in the first place.

Personally, I've got 4 and would like more.

[Phelix]

lets all play french rules and ignore that :P

[anonymos]

Any guesses on how much further Dark Depths is going to go? Star city is "sold out" at 50 and the cheapest on TCG player is 50.

[prateta]

Any guesses on how much further Dark Depths is going to go? Star city is "sold out" at 50 and the cheapest on TCG player is 50.

Just a hype because some maverick decks pack it as an alternative wincon now with Thespian Stage and also Lands won the last SCG. I think it will fall back to 30-40 eventually.

[apple713]

Big question guys!

I'm looking to buy Foil rishadan ports. Are they really worth 5-6 times regular ones? Reg is @ $70 and Foil's @ $400ish? They worth more? Less? They dropping soon? Artificially inflated?

[Lemnear]

Big question guys!

I'm looking to buy Foil rishadan ports. Are they really worth 5-6 times regular ones? Reg is @ $70 and Foil's @ $400ish? They worth more? Less? They dropping soon? Artificially inflated?

5-6 times the worth in FOIL Sounds ok. 70$ for a regular one is not. It's that high because of D&T's Ascension to DtB ... Don't buy those.

[apple713]

5-6 times the worth in FOIL Sounds ok. 70$ for a regular one is not. It's that high because of D&T's Ascension to DtB ... Don't buy those.

5-6 times worth for foil seems super high. We are talking English foils here.

lets say JTMS is 100 reg, a foil would be 600+. Thats easily the most valuable foil in existence (other than test prints). Rishadan port really comparable to JTMS in that respecT?

[Lemnear]

5-6 times worth for foil seems super high. We are talking English foils here.

lets say JTMS is 100 reg, a foil would be 600+. Thats easily the most valuable foil in existence (other than test prints). Rishadan port really comparable to JTMS in that respecT?

Dunno, SCG payed me +2000 € (!) for my englisch Worldwake Jaces back then the regular ones were ~80€ and I expect there are a lot less Ports available than Jaces during their time. Regardless of that, the price of Ports is artificial High to Profit from D&T's current popularity ... See also Karakas

[Lt. Quattro]

Dunno, SCG payed me +2000 € (!) for my englisch Worldwake Jaces back then the regular ones were ~80€ and I expect there are a lot less Ports available than Jaces during their time. Regardless of that, the price of Ports is artificial High to Profit from D&T's current popularity ... See also Karakas

I'm not so sure thats true about karakas playa, yeah its a 3-4 of in death and taxes but its also as a 1 of if any deck playing white, a 1 of in lands, used as a sideboard card against legends, commander players want it and i'm sure collectors collect it. throw in that it hasn't gotten a large reprint plus an ever growing player base and you got a recipe for an expensive card.

[Philipp2293]

I'm not so sure thats true about karakas playa, yeah its a 3-4 of in death and taxes but its also as a 1 of if any deck playing white, a 1 of in lands, used as a sideboard card against legends, commander players want it and i'm sure collectors collect it. throw in that it hasn't gotten a large reprint plus an ever growing player base and you got a recipe for an expensive card.

Pretty sure commander players don't want Karakas ;)

[jamesh]

I've noticed recently English language foils of in demand cards like port and SFM have gone for very high prices.

[TsumiBand]

Nothing fishy going on with Mana Crypt at all if you understand how a lot of EDH players operate. The diehard players build an insane amount of decks - some 20+ and many consider Mana Crypt to be an auto-include. So you've got a bunch of people buying all the Mana Crypts to put in their decks and the price goes through the roof. It's not like there's that many of them in the first place.

Personally, I've got 4 and would like more.

Right, exactly. Some people consider EDH tantamount to Vintage minus P9 and Sway of the Stars, and so their decks are pretty much just 99 card Vintage decks with commanders like Atogatog, because 5-color. BrokenStuff.dec always works.

[apple713]

I'm not so sure thats true about karakas playa, yeah its a 3-4 of in death and taxes but its also as a 1 of if any deck playing white, a 1 of in lands, used as a sideboard card against legends, commander players want it and i'm sure collectors collect it. throw in that it hasn't gotten a large reprint plus an ever growing player base and you got a recipe for an expensive card.

Karakas nor rishadan port are on the reserve list. Either way are you trying to indicate that since port is a 4 of on many decks that its price is more warranted than karakas?

I've noticed recently English language foils of in demand cards like port and SFM have gone for very high prices.

i agree, but does that make it a bad time to buy? or are they only going to increase further?

[Phelix]

two weeks ago i sold 3 foil ports @ 1300.

so they are def worth that.

[jamesh]

i agree, but does that make it a bad time to buy? or are they only going to increase further?

it depends is the answer again
if it is an English language foil that is very rare and the card is proven over many years, e.g. port i think the price will hold
but if it is more marginal the prices are more likely to change - especially with reprinting
that's the danger of english language foil, if it is reprinted it could be identical
i have a foil glimmervoid from mirrodin and my local store won't trade it cause he knows his customers know they can get the MM version cheaper so they won't go for it
stuff like that the values are unlikely to hold