Quote Originally Posted by A Legend View Post
Cave-In is not a good choice. Yeah, it's free. If you're willing to dump another [red] card in your hand. Again, being situational. You have enough acceleration to get whatever color you need. That shouldn't be a problem in a deck STRUCTURED as a mana-producing machine.

And I play black in my list in Syracuse. And I've top 4'ed 9 weeks in a row with it in Syracuse - including the Hadley tournament. Black should never have been cut in the first place with acceleration like Dark Ritual which is an auto-pump into Belcher and use with Infernal Tutor and discard effects. My list runs black - and it's good. That's foolish to assume a good list doesn't run black, when you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

"General consensus" should never dictate over results. And results show that black as a subsidiary of the main two colors has proven time and time again to be critical. Dark Ritual itself has won me more rounds than I can remember. Even Pulp's list runs black. And I'm sure his is consistent as well. Apologies on the name of Goblin War Strike. Sorry I forgot what it's name was - it only sat in my sideboard for the last three months and has dust all over it.
Are you really trying to tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about? Youre the one suggesting cutting SB staples for terrible cards like Dry Spell and Mana Clash. And about black, the best lists over the last 9 months or so, particularly in its hayday back last summer/fall, have all been RG, playing 1 or 2 Taiga and Street Wraith/Pyroblast/Cantor MD in place of Dark Rit. Turning up a Bayou really sucks, and you can still play an Infernal Tutor SB if your not running Bayou/Rit. Top8ing in Syracuse with a black list doesnt say all that much to me, since I saw the best versions of this deck in its hayday, and they were all RG. Good decks (like this one) can and sometimes will win with subpar card choices, Threshold would (and used to) do well playing Werebear in the Tarmogoyf slot. Dont be so quick to attribute your success to a subpar choice, or to insult others who do know the deck despite your flame.