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    Re: [DTB] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

    Quote Originally Posted by Nihil Credo View Post
    21: Gemstone Mine, Infernal, P/M, LED, LED, Brainstorm, Cabal
    P: Ponder into LED, Brainstorm, Rite of Flame. Shuffle, draw Rite of Flame. Untap, draw LED#3. Brainstorm into Chant, IGG, Brainstorm. Put back Brainstorm and IGG. Untap, draw Brainstorm, play 3x LED, play Brainstorm, blow LEDs in response, play IGG with LED mana, win.
    M: Mystical for Ad Nauseam, double LED, on next upkeep Brainstorm to put Nauseam and the third LED on top, blow LEDs, Ad Nauseam into a win.

    Mystical was better.
    In this case you could mystical for Dark Ritual and go for the IGG route for a sure win. Anyway, Mystical is better.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nihil Credo View Post
    29 - Infernal x2, Nauseam, LED, P/M, City, Wish
    P: Ponder seeing Ritual, City, Chant. Turn 2 Ad Nauseam and win.
    M: Mystical for Dark Ritual. Turn 2 Ad Nauseam and win.
    I don't see how you can Mystical for Rit and win. You have to wait a turn to draw a SSG, land, Mox, Petal and win next turn. You draw dark ritual. Mystical for D. Rit at EOT and go for the IGG loop.
    Ponder is better here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nihil Credo View Post
    30 - Mine, Dark Ritual, LED, Duress, Wish, Infernal, P/M.
    P: Mine -> Ponder into Brainstorm x2, Tendrils. Shuffle, draw Tendrils. Turn 2 draw Dark Ritual, play your mana, Duress, Infernal Tutor for Ad Nauseam, play three more spells and cast the Tendrils.
    M: Mystical Ad Nauseam, turn two Ad Nauseam.

    Ponder is better (protection).
    With ponder you have to discard your hand with tendrils in it. So I suppose one of those 3 spells was Wish


    EDIT: Done some more testing:

    31. Rite of flame, Petal, CoB, D.Rit, Ponder, IT, Cabal rit.
    M: Mystical for dark ritual and IGG loop or AN at choice on turn 2.
    P: Ponder into Gemstone mine, Wish, Dark ritual. Same as above on turn 2.

    Same

    32. Rite of flame, 2xD.Rit, Infernal, Ponder, Cabal rit.

    Questionable hand. In both cases, I draw LED and IGG for the win on turn 2.

    Same.

    33. Petal, Ponder, Brainstorm, AN, LED, Mox, ROF.
    M: Mox, Imprint Mystical, Brainstorm into Dark ritual, Cabal ritual, WIsh. Put back Rite of flame and wish. Combo on turn 2 with AN.
    P: Same as above.

    Same.

    34. Petal, Ponder, Ponder, Orim, D. Rit, LED, IT
    M: Play nothing, go. Draw mine, play mystical for D.RIT, IGG loop on turn 3.
    P: Petal into ponder, showing Mine, LED, Wish. Draw mine. Draw LED, Win with IGG loop on turn 2.

    Ponder is better.

    35. Rite of flame, 3x gemstone, Ponder, SSG, IT
    Questionable hand.
    M: do nothing on turn 1. Draw mox. Mystical for AN, combo on turn 3 with AN
    P: Ponder reveals Mox, COB, Brainstorm. Shuffle and draw Petal. Draw D.Rit. Draw Mox. Combo with AN on turn 3.

    Same.

    36. CoB, Mine, 3x D.Rit, Led, Ponder
    M: Mystical for AN or IT. Win on turn 2 with it.
    P: Ponder see Ponder, AN, RoF. Draw Rite of flame. Combo with AN on turn 2.

    Same.

    37. LED, D.Rit, Brainstorm, CoB, Ponder, 2xIT
    M: Mystical for D.Rit or AN and win on turn 2.
    P: Ponder into Ponder, Wish, Cabal Ritual. Draw Ponder, Draw Cabal and win on turn 2 with AN. Or you can ponder into Wish, land,land. Draw land and go for the IGG loop for 9 storm+ tendrils.

    Same.

    38. Mine, Duress, Duress, Ponder, LED, Wish, CoB
    M: Mystical for D.Rit and combo turn 2 with Diminishing returns (B or U open).
    P: Ponder into Wish, Cabal, Rite of flame. Draw rite, draw cabal and combo with Dinimishing Returns (B or U open) on turn 2.

    Same.

    39. Mox, Brainstorm, Ponder, RoF, IGG, D.Rit, Orchard
    M: Brainstorm into AN, SSG, Mine. Put back Mine and Ponder, Play AN.
    P: Same as Above.

    Same.

    40. Ponder, Orim, Mox, RoF, IT, IT, Duress.
    Mulligan
    40. LED, CoB, Ponder, RoF, Brainstorm, IT, Orim.
    M: Brainstorm into Mox, D.Rit, LED. Win on turn 2 with IGG loop or AN
    P: Same as above.

    Same

    41. 2x D.Rit, SSG, IT, Orim, Ponder, Mox
    Mull
    41. Duress, 2xCoB, Petal, Ponder, IT, LED
    M: Mystical for D.Rit and combo on turn 2 with AN or IGG loop.
    P: ponder into Petal, Mine, Ponder. Shuffle and draw Mox. Draw brainstorm and play it. Find Brainstorm, IT, Orchard. Put back Orchard and petal. Play mox(brainstorm), IT revealing LED. Nest turn Duress+IGG loop or AN.

    Mystical is better.

    42. Wish, Petal, CoB, Paradis, D.Rit, Ponder, AN.
    M: Mystical for D.Rit, combo with AN on turn 2.
    P; Ponder reveals Wish, Wish, Brainstorm. Shuffle and draw Petal. Draw Orim. Combo turn 2 with AN + chant.

    Ponder is better (chant)

    43. CoB, Petal, Wish, Wish, Ponder, D.Rit, Petal
    M: Mystical for AN, win on turn 2.
    P: Ponder into SSG, AN, RoF. Draw simian, Draw An and win.

    Same.

    44. AN, D.Rit, IT, Cabal rit, Orim, Ponder, ponder.
    Mull
    44. Brainstorm, duressx2, d.rit, IGG, Ponder, AN
    Mull
    44. Ponder, AN, 2xCoB, 2x Mine, Wish.
    Questionable but keepable.
    M: Turn 1 nothing. Draw orim. Mystical for D.Rit and win on turn 3 with AN.
    P: Ponder reveals Orim, IT, Led. Draw It. Draw Led. Play IT for LED. Combo on turn 3 with IGG Loop or D. Returns.

    Ponder is slightly better: AN on turn 3 might be risky against certain decks.

    45. Wish, Mox, RoF, Minex2, Braisntorm, Ponder.
    M: Brainstorm into IT, Petal, Gemstone. Put gemstone and IT back. Mystical for AN and win on turn 3.
    P: ponder into IT, Petal, Gemstone. Shuffle and draw Petal. Play brainstorm into Brainstorm, Led, D.Rit. Combo with Diminishing Returns on turn 2 with UB open.

    Ponder is better.

    46. Ponder, Orim, Orim, AN, LED, Paradise, SSG.
    Mull.
    46. D.Rit, SSG, Cabal, CoB, Mox, Ponder, Rite of flame
    M: Mystical into AN, Win turn 2.
    P: Ponder into Paradise, RoF, LED. Shuffle and draw Orim. Draw Brainstorm. Brainstorm into Mine, Mine, RoF. Lose.

    Mystical is better.

    47. Brainstorm, IT, Mine, CoBx2, ponder, Wish
    M: Brainstorm into Mox, D.Rit, Petal. Put back Wish and CoB. Upkeep mystical for AN and win turn 2.
    P: Ponder into Mox, D.Rit, Petal. Draw petal, draw D.Rit. Brainstorm into Mox, AN, D.Rit and win with AN.

    Same.

    48. Ponder, SSGx2, Petal, Rite of flame, Orim
    M: Mystical for AN, win on turn 2.
    P: Ponder reveals LED, Mox, COB. Shuffle into Dark ritual. Draw orim and pass. Draw duress, draw mox, draw IT and win on turn 5.

    Mystical is better.

    49. CoB, D.Ritx2, Rite of flame, Ponder, LED, Duress.
    M: Mystical for IT or AN and win on turn 2 with IGG or AN+duress
    P: Ponder for IT,Ponder, D.RIt. Draw D.rit, draw IT and win on turn 2 with AN or IGG + duress.

    Same.

    50. AN, Mox, IGG, Brainstorm, Ponder, Orim, Gemstone.
    M: Brainstorm for Orim, Orim, RoF. Put back 2 orim. Mystical for D.Rit, combo on turn 3 with AN.
    P: Ponder for Orim, Orim, RoF. Shuffle and draw duress. Draw Orim. Play brainstorm into CoB, Mox, Orim. Put back 2 orim and lose.

    Mystical is better.

    51. Petal, Brainstorm, Ponder, D.Ritual, Duress, Cabal ritual, Mox
    Questionable hand. First 3 cards are IT,IT,Mox. Mull.

    51. Mine, IT, Ponder, Chant, Mox, Wish, CoB.
    Questionable hand, does nothing ever unless you draw some good piece of acceleration.

    51. Cabal, SSG, Ponder, Duress, LED, AN, Brainstorm
    If you draw a land/Mox you'r going to win on turn 3 with AN (in the mystical version). But I don't like those chances. Mull again.

    51. Orchard, Duress, Mox, Cob, Cob, AN, Ponder
    M: Mystical for D.Rit and win turn 2 with AN
    P: ponder into Wish, Wish, Rite of flame. Shuffle and draw ponder. Draw LED. Ponder reveal LED, Brainstorm, Mox. Draw brainstorm, put AN on top and win next turn.

    Mystical is better

    52. Cabal Ritual, IGG, Brainstorm, Duress, Ponder, Petal, CoB.
    M: Play brainstorm into brainstorm, IT, AN. Put back brainstorm e igg. Mystical for D.RIt in upkeep and win on turn 3.
    P: Play ponder into Brainstorm, IT, AN. Shuffle and draw LED. Draw IT. Brainstorm into D.Rit, SSG, Wish. Put Back Wish and Duress. IGG ftw on turn 2.

    Ponder is better

    53. Petal, Mine, Ponder, BS, Ponder, Duress, LED
    M: Mystical for AN and win turn 2.
    P: Ponder reveals AN, Mine, IT. Same as above.

    Same.

    54. D.RIt, Ponder, AN, Chant, Orchard, Mox, BS
    M: Mystical for D.Rit and AN on turn 2.
    P:Ponder into LED, Petal, Mine. Draw LED, Draw Petal, same as above.

    Same.

    55. BS, RoF, Orim, Duress, Ponder, Mox, LED
    Questionable hand. I'd mull it.

    55. Petal, LED, D.Rit, Mox, Mox, Ponder, IT
    M: IGG loop on turn 1.
    P: Same

    Same.

    56. Mox, Petal, Wish, Ponder, BS, D.Rit, IT
    Questionable hand. I'd mull it. (First 3 cards are Wish, Orim, Duress)

    56. Orim, Tendrils, Ponder, IGG, RoF, Mine, AN.
    I'd mull this one too. It's full of bricks.

    56. BS, Wish, Ponder, LED, IT, IT, RoF
    Mull

    56. Ponder, Ponder, AN, An, IT, Led, Mine.
    M: M. for Dark rit. Turn 2 Mystical for Dark Rit and win turn 3 With AN or IGG loop.
    P: Ponder into Petal, D.Rit, Wish. Draw RItual, Draw petal, play ponder into wish, petal, Rite of flame. Draw petal, Draw Rite of flame. Combo turn 3 with IGG or AN.

    Same.

    57. Brainstorm, Ponder, Mox, Mox, AN, Mine, RoF.
    M: Mystical for D. RIt and combo turn 2 with AN.
    P: Ponder into SSG, Gemstone, Tendrils. Draw SSG, Draw Gemstone. AN Turn 2.

    Same.

    58. Wish, Wish, IT, Orim, IGG, BS, Ponder
    Mull
    58. Led, Mox, CoBx2, AN, Duress, Ponder.
    M: Mystical for AN, win turn 2.
    P: Ponder into Duress, Brainstorm, IGG. I can go for AN on turn 3 putting AN on top with brainstorm or I can shuffle. I shuffle and draw brainstorm. Draw chant. Brainstorm into Chant, Chant, Duress (...) Put AN on top with chant. Play Mox, Imprint duress, duress. Then chant on my upkeep and win on turn 3.

    Mystical is better.

    59. Cabal, IT, RoF, BS, Ponder, Mine, CoB
    M: Brainstorm into Paradise, Mine, D. Rit. Put back Paradise and CoB. Upkeep Mystical for AN and win on turn 3.
    P: Ponder into Paradise, Mine, Dark RIt. Shuffle and draw IGG. Draw mox. Brainstorm intoDuress, CoB, Wish. Put backCity and Igg. Imprint Duress into mox and IT for Rite of flame. Draw gemstone mine on turn 3. Wish for Returns with B open. Fizzle. Needed 1 mana more.

    Mystical is slightly better.

    60. Tendrils, Wishx2, Mox x2, Petal, Ponder
    Mull
    60. Ponder, Mox, 2x Rite of flame, Brainstorm, LED, AN
    M: Imprint Mystical on mox, Play brainstorm Revealing LED, WIsh, Orim. Win turn 2 with AN.
    P: Same

    Same

    61. Paradise, IT, CoB, AN, IGG, Ponder, RoF
    M: Mystical for D.Rit and win turn 2 with AN.
    P: Ponder reveals Petal, Chant, Mox. Combo turn 2 with AN.

    Same.

    62. LED, Petal, RoFx2, Wish, Ponder, AN
    M: Go for Returns.
    P: Same.

    Same.

    63. LED x2, Duress, Paradise, Ponder, Brainstorm, D. Rit.
    M: Mystical for IT, Win with IGG loop or AN with Duress backup.
    P: Ponder reveals Brainstorm, City of brass, Wish. I can win turn 3 with D.Returns, but I try to shuffle draw orim. Draw rite of flame. Play brainstorm into CoB, Mine, Mox. Lose

    Mystical is better.

    64. Cabalx2, CoB, IGG, D.Rit, Mox, Ponder
    M: Mystical for AN, win turn 2.
    P: Ponder into Rite of flame, Orim, BS. Shuffle and draw D.Rit. Draw orchard. I try a desperate combo with IGG into ponder and try to not lose speed against mystical (I'd never do this in tournament setting). Ponder into LED, BS, Mine. Shuffle and draw IT. Tutor for tendrils and win. This obviously, doesn't count.

    Mystical is better.

    65. Ponder, SSG, Mine, Orchard, Petal, D.Rit, Petal.
    M: Mystical for AN, win turn 2.
    P: Ponder into D.Rit, IT, Wish. Turn 2 win with An, IGG or Returns.

    Ponder is better, cause it let you choose the storm generator.

    66. Duress, AN, Ponder, LED, Rite of flame, Orim, Mine.
    M: Turn 1 duress, draw Mox. Draw COB. Mystical for D. Rit and win with AN, or Mystical for WIsh and win with D.Returns. Turn 4. Could Combo turn 3 if I did not play duress on turn 1.
    P: Turn 1 Ponder into Mox, CoB, Mox. Shuffle and draw Brainstorm. Draw Mine. Brainstorm into Tendrils, Petal, CoB. Put back Tendrils and CoB. Combo turn 3 with AN.

    Almost the same.

    67. SSG, CoB, Mine, Ponderx2, Brainstorm, Wish.
    M. Brainstorm into AN, Orim, Mine. Put back Mystical and Wish. Mystical for D.Rit. Turn 3 Win with AN+Chant
    P: Ponder into AN, Mine, Orim. Shuffle and draw Orim. Draw rite of flame. Ponder into Mox, Wish, Chant. Shuffle and draw D. Rit. Braisntorm into SSG, Rite of flame, Duress.Put back Orim and SSg. Draw SSG. Combo with Diminishing returns or ETW+duress+next turn chant on turn 3.

    Mystical is better.

    68. LED, Dark ritual, Orim, Petal, CoB, Orim, Ponder
    M: Mystical for AN. An on turn 2 with orim backup.
    P: Ponder into Rite of flame, Mox, D.Rit. Shuffle, draw D. Rit. Draw Mine. Draw Mox, Draw mox, Draw Mine. Lose.

    Mystical is better.

    69. IT, Orim, RoF, 2x Cob, Ponder, Wish.
    M: Turn 1 nothing. Draw AN. Mystical into D. Rit. Win turn 3 with AN.
    P: Ponder into AN, BS, Mine. Draw AN, Draw Mine. IT into Rite of Flame. Turn 3 combo with AN.

    Same

    70. SSG, Petal, LED, Ponder, Mine, Orchard, Brainstorm
    M: Mystical for AN, turn 2 combo.
    P: Ponder into Ponder, Rite of Flame, Mine. Shuffle and draw Mox. Draw dark ritual. Brainstorm into IT, Mox, Petal. Combo with IGG or AN at choice.

    Ponder is slightly better.

    Updated results with 70 hands:
    Better Mystical: 20
    Better Ponder: 16
    Same: 34

    Please. People. Do some hands.
    What number of hands do you guys feel is a good amount of goldfishing to validate those results?
    Last edited by GreenOne; 12-17-2008 at 07:49 AM. Reason: Done some more testing
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