Quote Originally Posted by Shanghi Knights View Post
for decks running grunt i usually find powder keg to be more efficient. Anything it doesn't hit can usually be dealt with by our creatures, if not lets hope were in hellbent. though sulfur can deal with grunt, i would just board him out if the opposing deck wasn't majority of problematic white creatures.
I would just ignore Jotun Grunt. Seriously. Dragon Stompy puts very few cards in the yard and given all the ways we have to reduce the number of spells an opponent plays, Grunt isn't going to stick around long. If you happen to have Sulfur for it, awesome. If not, oh well.

should bloodfire kavu be given a chance in maguses spot the tibal match ups? anyone tried him before? (my thinking is stuff like goblins will kill magus so i kinda think hes a dead card in such match ups, as well as merfolk all magus stops is maybe waste and mutavault.)
Somehow I didn't actually know this card existed.

I think I'd rather have Kinesis or Clasm against Goblins or Elves, and against Merfolk I'd rather have something that can handle 8-12 Lords, like Keg (or as mentioned later in this same post, FTK.)

Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtseizer View Post
Is that so? Well both these top pro players had choices and they both freely and voluntarily chose to play grunt. Moreover, they aren't just "two random players". They are players that represent the two best records at GenCon and the Worlds in the Legacy format respectively.
And they made mistakes. Including Grunt was a mistake.

Everybody who plays this game makes mistakes, either in deck construction, mulliganing, playing, etc. Pro Players do this a lot less than most of us, especially in playing/mulliganing, but not all Pro Players are masters of deck design in unfamiliar formats (Some, like Nassif, Sadin, etc, definitely are, but not all.)

Wow, now this is amusing. Here we have an amateur player (at best) telling a pro player he had no business using a pivotal metagame call (at the time) in his sideboard at the World championships.
Because I'm right and the pro player, like you, was/is wrong.

Could you be any more egotistical?
Yes. See the above post and the below post for proof.

Could you be anymore wrong?
Yes. In fact, it's impossible for me to be any less so.

As far as how it relates to dragon stompy, well the issue pertaining to flametongue kavu in this deck came up and what creatures it can take out. Taco erroneously mentioned it was useless because a lot of the 4 good, 4 toughness creatures were not playable anymore. He was wrong in large measure. In any event, the fact remains whether you agree or not a lot of those creatures are still played in competitive tournaments whether they are for all the right or wrong reasons. Therefore if you want to play Kavu in this deck it is not a terrible choice; especially in the right meta, especially in the sideboard.
I don't recall ever using the word "useless" for FTK (I might have, if so, I withdraw it.) In my very first version of this deck I ran 4. Until Tarmogoyf I still liked it in sideboard. I don't like FTK main because against creatureless decks he blows either himself or your own threats up, and I don't like sideboarding him because if I want to sideboard creature hate I want to generally board in something that's going to blow up the big guys or blow up multiple small guys.

Nowadays, yeah, FTK has a trillion targets. He also has a lot of places where he's useless. But I don't think he's necessarily a bad board choice depending on your metagame. He's been made better by the rise of Merfolk, for one. FTK is great against Merfolk.

As it pertains to Grunt, Sulfur Elemental and FTK both are good against Jotun Grunt. Whatever. This is 2009. People don't run Jotun Grunt. People have figured out it's bad by now.