Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy View Post
Graveyard hate was always present, and the hate of choice for everyone is just a bad Extirpate. I run 1 CotV in my sb with 7 ways to tutor for him, and against any deck who is suposed to run Surgical you should go to the Crucible plan. Also, Tranquil Thicket is gold except they have the second Surgical, so maybe I will try raising the count for 3 next time.

If you cut the 3 mana needed to Clique, you still can dredge Loam. But if you can't, your opponent can't tap out to play anything. If both players are doing nothing, you are already winning.

I don't know your meta, but what I see is lots of 3-color decks being the biggest parts of the Tier 1. I can imagine myself beating anything in the DtB section except for ANT, and some guys who follow this thread could back me up on this.

But you play some decks that lose to blue cards or artifact hate, who knows...
I played the deck quite a lot, I know to play around hate, i know i can win without loam, the thing is you don't know whether they play the bad extirpate, and they snap-recur it half time they do and Chalice has to resolve first... I had no problem playing with ANT it and was around 50/50 lifetime, beating them was fun =)

I mean you can't just play around everything all the time... I take Lands as the hardest deck possible one can choose for a tournament and it simply has passed the threshold when playing it competitively is enjoyable for me