[Deck] Deadguy Ale (B/w Confidant)

[ragamuffinvb]

Maybe we can come up with some sort of list? I think, for it to be just as effective as D&T, you need the Wasteland, Port, Thalia and Karakas package. The rest is open to Scrublands, fetches and basics. The downside to this is that we suddenly become vunerable again to Stifle and our Duals might be Wasteland targets again. Also, Price of Progress, but, whatever, haha.

D&T Core:
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Horizon Canopy
3 Karakas
10 Plains
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland

2 Aven Mindcensor
4 Flickerwisp
1 Mirran Crusader
4 Mother of Runes
4 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Serra Avenger
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben

4 Swords to Plowshares

4 AEther Vial
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte

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What can we take out of this list and replace with Dark Confidant and Tidehollow Sculler AND even some possible discard?
The possible options I see are:
- Flickerwisp
- Mirran Crusader
- Aven Mindcensor
- Phyrexian Revoker (dropping it down to 3 due to sometimes really just being a 2/1 body)

It's weird; I play D&T myself and see a huge use for all the creatures above. I've won many a game off of a well-timed Vialed-in Flickerwisp and Aven Mindcensor has its uses vs opposing Blade decks or combo decks (though it's a bit slow at 3CMC). The singleton Mirran Crusader is just a threat beater and can be taken out if need be (though he can quickly end games, which D&T and DGA both miss). Phyrexian Revoker can be a pretty dead card in some matches, but in others it just wins games by shutting down Liliana, for instance.

I wouldn't take out the Serra Avengers, since it's the only creature that has all of this; evasion, a relative body and can be Vialed-in on 2. If you'd take out the Flickerwisps and the Aven Mindcensors, this would be the only creature left in the deck with evasion. Besides, she's really good with equipment due to the vigilance.

I think the core speaks for itself, Mom, SfM, Thalia, Revoker, Vial, equipment, StPS, etc. I don't think we'd be able to add any discard. If we'd make a Vial-build, we can't take away too much creatures for other spells, besides, we play Thalia and I don't think it would really mesh well to add additional discard in non-creature form. We might be able to add it to the SB vs. combo, for instance.

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I'm thinking of something like this ...

Deadguy Ale & Taxes:
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Plains
3 Karakas
4 Marsh Flats
2 Flooded Strand (or any white-based fetch)
4 Scrubland
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland

4 Dark Confidant
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Mother of Runes
3 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Serra Avenger
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben

4 Swords to Plowshares

4 AEther Vial
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte

Sideboard could run Zealous Persecution, discard vs. combo, etc. Never been a huge fan of D&T's sideboard and vs. combo it feels like a hit or miss. This version might even have a better chance vs. combo.

Anyways, this is what I could come up with. Maybe I'm too stuck to the core of D&T that I'm missing what I could drop, so, let's just brainstorm here. The one thing I notice right off the bat is that we never have to up our Vial to 3, it can always stay at 2, which is nice since experienced players know that when D&T ups their Vial to 3 they either have a Flickerwisp or an Aven Mindcensor. For now I added 4 Tidehollow Sculler, but we might be able to run 3 and then replace that spot with 1 Mirran Crusader or an additional Revoker to get him back to 4 or even a 4th Serra Avenger. Enough options.

For the landbase; it's gonna be a hit or miss and I do think this version might have less consistency. I dropped the Horizon Canopy due to hoping not to need that with Dark Confidant. Didn't think we'd need a basic Swamp. All we need is that basic Plains and the rest we fetch up will get us in business, even if it's just for a moment. I would hate to have a basic Swamp in my opening hand and not being able to cast Mom or StPS. However, nothing is set in stone. A basic Swamp might be handy to establish all we need (B for Tidehollow Sculler and Bob), though we don't run BB, so ... we might be just fine. Cavern of Souls is even more useful now due to Bob being a Human as well.

The rest is still pretty much D&T. I'm actually quite excited to just try this out, haha

the mana base i have been running the last few weeks has been

4 marsh flats
1 verdant
4 scrublands
2 karakas
3 plains
4 rishadan port
4 wasteland

it's been rather stable and i havent had problems. as to the creature package, the only real upgrade to the dnt creature list is bob in my honest opinion. i've tested sculler and bob and found both are good, however discard is not what the deck wants to be doing. It's better to have a lock piece like thalia or arbiter (my list) on the board then taking pieces with sculler or getting bob online. my creature list is

4 mom
4 stoneforge
3 bob
4 thalia
3 revoker
2 arbiter
1 mindcensor
2 mirranc crusader
2 flickerwisp
2 sculler

the only thing i would cut from this list as a flex spot would be the singleton mangara, but overall it's been performing well for me, sculler is good as a two of i think, as you want to deploy lock pieces with the overall gameplan of mana denial. generally as i've played with the list i vial in bob only once i've run out of steam, the second i get into top deck mode he's the perfect nail in the coffin to end games with as you will now be drawing to cards a turn, playing things for free, while preventing ur opponent from playing anything