Quote Originally Posted by LarsLeif View Post
I sort of feel I need to expand my argument a bit concerning Goyf versus Visions: Yes mistah' T is a solid card and usually putting the combo opponent under the fastest clock possible is preferable but our game plan after board is more of a lockdown plan with hate-bear beatdown than the more TA-y approach of disruption + big beats.

When we combine all our disruption post board, the opponents generally don't break out of it. It is very hard for a normal combo deck to adjust to all those angels, as they essentially have to dilute their main gameplan to deal with them more or less. I'm not saying that it can't happen. Sometimes they are able to deal with MM, plus possess the necessary means to push their combo through discard and FoW, but that isn't usually the case, we just draw into more disruption due to our deck being packed with draw spells and disruption post board. It's not that we don't have a clock either as DRS + MM and a random Shardless for example kill someone pretty quick. A Visions that's ticking down is also a fast clock as it will be difficult for the combo deck when we draw into even more disruption. All this combined with the already mentioned cascade maximizing and that visions pitch to force leads me to cut the goyfs instad of visions. You are of course free to do as you wish here and if you don't agree with these arguments then that's your prerogative.
Your point is well taken, don't worry, and it may well be the correct way to approach these MUs. I was really just looking for a debate/discussion around this point, and you answered it clearly, so thanks for that. We now got the arguments stated properly, just need to try it out - that's why I find these SB table discussions very valuable, they really force us to get a deeper understanding of the deck.