Quote Originally Posted by Venomous72 View Post
This will be my starting 60 when Push releases I believe:

4 Delver of Secrets
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 True Name Nemesis
1 Gurmag Angler
1 Leovold

4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Fatal Push
3 Hymn to Tourach

1 Liliana of the Veil

4 Polluted Delta
4 Verdant Catacomb
1 Misty Rainforest
3 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
2 Bayou
4 Wasteland


I think Push will give this deck what it needs to be the best Delver deck in the format, and I think BUG will become the best 3 color combination as well. Fatal Push gives us that one mana answer against so many threats that are annoying. I know when I play against Jund last week and lost 2-0, Push would have been fantastic. Bob, Goyf, Shaman, etc.

I do think completely cutting Goyf is correct. Once Push is seeing play in every black deck, True Name, Gurmag, and probably Tombstalker will all see their stock rise substantially.
Hi,

I think your list is far from optimal (Especially the manabase). With 4 TNN MD which cost UU and so many BB spells at the same time in the deck you will have huge problems to cast your stuff in time especially with the 2 Bayou in the manabase. Pressuring yourself to constantly be able to produce BB & UU with 2 Bayou and 2 Tropical is not needed. Sure 1 Sea 1 Trop 1 Bayou gets there but 1 Wasteland destroys you then, not where I want to be...

I think there are 2 ways:
1. Cut the BB spells from the MD and play just Sea + Trop along with 4 TNN (3/3 split or 3/2/1 for example).
2. Cut the TNNīs and add Tarmogoyf to relieve your MB.

A mixture of both is unconsistent and risky, believe me, I played the tapout Version over 2 years. I know that Reidīs list with 4 TNN inspire some people to go more into that route but his manabase is completly different, +4 mana dudes +1 land and no bb spells in the deck, completely different story.

If you really want to cut Goyf entirely because of the fatal push hype I highly recommend you Reidīs TNN BUG or 4c Delver Friedman list which I also play.

I also dont think Goyf is really great atm and will not be that great when FP gets released but heīs still the best thread vs unfair decks or burn and so on...TNN is great where Goyf sucks but Goyf is great where TNN sucks, means the choices are very meta dependant.