Brainstorm
Force of Will
Lion's Eye Diamond
Counterbalance
Sensei's Divining Top
Tarmogoyf
Phyrexian Dreadnaught
Goblin Lackey
Standstill
Natural Order
Here's what I would like to see happen (it'll open the Floodgates of Hell, but whatever):
Legacy:
Survival of the Fittest is unbanned.
Mind Twist is unbanned.
Mind's Desire is unbanned.
Yawgmoth's Bargain is unbanned.
Earthcraft is unbanned.
Mana Drain is unbanned.
Goblin Recruiter is unbanned.
Sensei's Divining Top is banned.
Show and Tell is banned.
In a world where mana drain, mind's desire and bargain are legal, why should show and tell be a problem? It is the dumbest card in the game and I wouldn't mind if it didn't exist, but if you allow these cards show and tell becomes a much less broken card in comparison
Why would Wizard do anything now? Last time, everyone was sleeving up Omni with Dig Through Time during the GPT leading up to GP SeaTac. Some people had to switch deck once DTT got the axe. Is Miracles reaching that similarity in circumstance?
Show and Tell into Bargain would be hotness.Originally Posted by rubblekill
I would argue that it is not much better, if not worse, than snt into griselbrand.
People would play bargain with a cabal ritual, not via snt imho
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I'd love to see something like this too, but it's very doubtful. Mind's Desire may be a bit too dangerous to take off, but the others would be cool, and probably only slightly damaging if anything. Plus, Mana Drain is not on the reserved list, so it would give incentive to include it in the Iconic set (I know... no way in hell that's happening).
What I think will happen on Monday: No changes
What I want to happen on Monday: No changes
I would not shed a tear over: True-Name Nemesis, Deathrite Shaman, Terminus, and/or Griselbrand being banned
What should be unbanned: Mind Twist, Earthcraft
Ban everything until Tarpan is the best.
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Mind Twist's price chart amuses me.
It's definitely getting unbanned when Oath of the Gatewatch comes out. No? Definitely next time! Keep the price up and the party going!
It's definitely getting unbanned when Shadows over Innistrad comes out. Ah, crap. But definitely next time! Higher!
It's definitely getting unbanned when Eldritch Moon comes out. Ah, crap. But definitely next time! Higher!
It's definitely getting unbanned when Kaladesh comes out. Ah, crap. But definitely next time! Higher!
It's definitely getting unbanned when Aether Revolt comes out. Ah, crap. But definitely next time! Higher!
It's definitely getting unbanned when Amonkhet comes out.
Sure. That's Unlimited though, whose price has more to do with its connection to Old School than Legacy speculation. The charts for Revised and 4th Edition are much less dramatic.
Tusk up.
Jumps right before banning announcements. Falls right after banning announcements. Explain the connection to Old School.
Why would you speculate on Revised and 4th Edition pleb versions?
Confirmation bias? You're pointing only to the Unlimited version to prove your point. There is no price correlation with Rev/4th with BnR announcements.
Why even spec on Unlimited for Legacy (Alpha of gtfo, right?) unless you're banking on value to be maintained by Old School playability. More gains to be had speculating on 4th/Revised.Why would you speculate on Revised and 4th Edition pleb versions?
I'm not saying it's not amusing, but there is more than one cost driver. To be fair, Unlimited Mind Twist's price history has been super swingy.
Tusk up.
By all the gods.
His argument boils down to, "I'm having fun crushing everyone but these other guys, so to give these other guys a shot, Wizards should screw over the people I'm crushing."
There was so little understanding in that article, I don't even know how to respond.
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I for one am looking forward to precisely nothing happening tomorrow because why the fuck would they do anything at this point?
I actually just read the article because I'm lazy, and the only thing I truly disagree with is the portion about terminus and the deck needing a sweeper to survive. I believe he gets stuck thinking that supreme verdict is the only other sweeper he could possibly run in the format. Yes the mana requirement is tough, and that is why it's okay. Currently with miracles having such an inexpensive and easy to cast sweeper it makes mana denial impossible (or at least very difficult without a specific set of cards). He says supreme verdict would be hard to cast and even impossible against some decks. And he's right. Forcing that to be the best sweeper would force the deck to maybe run more duals and expose itself which would open up the non blue decks to have a way to fight the deck via more conventional means of lands destruction.
Also like I was saying, he gets really focused in on supreme verdict thinking that is the only thing he could play, but one thing that made the old counter balance decks not too powerful was that they had to make certain sacrifices with their sweepers of choice which have certain strategies a fighting chance. BUG Still used to play deed. Other decks played Engineered Explosives. Supreme Blue played firespout. Hell, with terminus gone you could reasonably maybe see a black splash and play Toxic Deluge. All of these sweepers are definitely reasonable cards for a control deck to play, but they also gives the creature decks ways to beat them. Varied Mana costs if EE is the choice, high mana cost to beat Deed, high toughness to beat Spout, and aggressive attacking of the life total to beat deluge. Currently none of those strategies can beat a wrath for 1 that doesn't care about mana cost, toughness, life total, hexproof, recursive abilities, or even indestructible. I just am of the thought that I think it would be good for the control deck of the format to have a sweeper with some sort of downside other than maybe it gets stuck in my hand, but most of the time it doesn't because of the insane amounts of cards selection.
This post just made me put up my Unlimited Mind Twists. I bought like.. 20 mind twists a couple years back and it turns out that a bunch were unlimited and nm; so this post may be worth a couple hundred bucks*!
[*not a legally binding claim]
@Mega
I actually am one of the "Idiot Moron Stupids"[**] that also thinks Terminus is enough to kill the deck. The difference between:
* Instant speed
* 1-mana
* Killing Everything
* Ignoring Grave recursion
[**]Not a real quote
is huge. You can't man-land them effectively. You can't Bloodghast them. You can't beat them to the punch with mana-denial. Pyroclasm won't be good enough for them, as Serra-Whatever will come back, goyfs will live, Gurmags, etc.. Even Mentor survives. X-based removal isn't good enough, none of it.
Elves will start beating them down.
@Everyone
I can get on the ban-DRS train. Delver decks were more interesting before with Goose and Tombstalker. While I hate to lose to Reanimator, it should be a deck :p. I think between Terminus and DRS Grave-Recursion has taken a hit that is pretty unreasonable. We live in a world with Crop->Bog, RiP, Cage, etc.. and can probably manage without DRS. This is from a guy who has multiple playsets (for loaning out) and runs black/DRS in every deck since he started playing. He's just that good.
I play 4 DRS in my Burn deck.
"DRS homogenizes the format; if my opponent goes Polluted Delta->Underground Sea->DRS they could be playing something in the area 10 different decks. It is simply jams into any black and/or green deck. That’s a sign the card might be too good."
The lack of awareness is hilarious.
"Miracles is unique in being the last actual blue control deck in all of Magic"
Pauper disagrees. Vehemently.
I'll go take a shot of scotch and go put a hole in my head to get that "article" out of it now, thanks.
DRS is fine, there are just enough things to punish the card (be it fast combo, punishing fire, t1 blood moon) that I feel it's fine.
I enjoyed the article, it is a new take on the argument that something needs to be done in legacy. While Shaman does keep down all of the old school delver decks, he also supports an entire class of BG(x) decks which are format favorites by the non blue players. I personally think something in miracles needs to go, preferably top. As it would be interesting to see he deck use miracles without the top engine, just jace/brainstorm/cantrips/scroll rack?, as he is correct about the sweepers in legacy costing too much.
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