The new Legacy metagame

[Megadeus]

Not terribly surprising to see a spike in Git. Probe representation after an effective CB ban. As much talk about DRS is next there is, Probe is the more likely target.

Probably worth looking at legacy before the DTT ban where Git Probe was the largest driver of turning on the most successful decks. As SnT rises so too will Grixis Pyro decks; expect legacy to get more blue as a fxn of Probe/SnT vs Probe/Cabal. Should be a fun creative space for legacy as decks are forced more towards the mana floor and their quickest, meanest forms.

I'd be fine with a Probe ban. It's a retarded card (like all phyrexian mana cards), and it makes cabal therapy into a complete chimp card

[Hanni]

I'd be fine with a Probe ban. It's a retarded card (like all phyrexian mana cards), and it makes cabal therapy into a complete chimp card

I really hope the banning of Sensei’s Divining Top does not snowball into more bannings. The power level of the cards in Legacy, from DRS to Probe to Show and Tell to you name it, is what makes this format so great. If I wanted to play shittier cards, I'd go play Modern.

[Dice_Box]

I don't think banning cards can even be a valid topic for at lest 6 months. Taking out a major card from Miracles would have had a large enough effect to cause waves to start with. Nuking the whole deck leaves the whole format in the air. We need to see the dust settle first before we do anything.

[Minniehajj]

I don't think banning cards can even be a valid topic for at lest 6 months. Taking out a major card from Miracles would have had a large enough effect to cause waves to start with. Nuking the whole deck leaves the whole format in the air. We need to see the dust settle first before we do anything.

Agreed. This is the wild west now. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted"

[Megadeus]

Not saying that Probe should be banned. Just saying I wouldn't care. It's restricted or banned in the other two formats for good reason.

[TsumiBand]

Probe isn't even all that broken, especially if you keep your opponent off Black and they never pay the kicker

[Chatto]

I don't think banning cards can even be a valid topic for at lest 6 months. Taking out a major card from Miracles would have had a large enough effect to cause waves to start with. Nuking the whole deck leaves the whole format in the air. We need to see the dust settle first before we do anything.

This.

It's been three days, THREE DAYS, and I'm still having a hang-over from celebrating... But seriously, ride the wave... See what happens, and just enjoy this moment... It's a whole new world out there, and we're here to explore it! Seriously, it's like being new to the format :-)

[Crimhead]

There are certainly control options but nothing that fits into the space miracles occupied.

RUG Lands will be a good deck, but we might continue to see more RGCL if enough combo decks need to be raced against.

Otherwise I suspect the format's control decks might be running more traditional creature-deck elements than Miracles did (D&T, Blade, BUG).

Tezzerator might make a splash, and it's also possible for a mono B2B/Shackles deck to find a home.

We really don't know, which is delightfully exciting.

[Purple Blood]

The deck I was working on uses Lab Maniac as a win, which just seems better?



Rufus and I tried doing the math here (starting from post 9): http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?31559-Shadow-of-the-Fluctuator

That's some sweet math. Lab Maniac is probably the way to go. I will post my thoughts in the thread but I kind of echo some of the sentiments there where I think you'd rather have a bit more protection and set up and try to go off. I'd probably go with Chalice and FoW. For chalice you have to make some concessions e.g. playing Cabal Ritual over Songs of the Damned and Fabricate over E. Tutor.

[Scott]

The ten 5-0 decks in today's MTGO Competitive Legacy Constructed League:

U/W Control X2 (both are different)
Sneak & OmniShow X2
Aluren
Burn (no Harsh Mentor)
Dark Bant
Dark Naya Collected Company?
Grixis Tempo
UBr Reanimator

[supremePINEAPPLE]

That collected company list is awesome. I loved occasionally playing rabblemaster in the RG lands sideboard pre-tireless tracker, that card is so much fun.

[Scott]

It's pretty dumb to chart it after only a few days of 5-rounders, but I was in Excel doing a content analysis anyway, so here are the four days combined:



Combo: 19 of 33 decks
Has Brainstorm: 25 of 33 decks

[Hanni]

That falls right in line with what I was expecting the initial meta to look like, but I think that the heavy saturation of combo isn't going to last very long. Unlike Miracles, a combo heavy meta is easy to beat.

EDIT: Elves aside, what I find really interesting is the low amount of GBx Deathrite Shaman decks. Where is the ban Deathrite Shaman crowd at now?

[CptHaddock]

That falls right in line with what I was expecting the initial meta to look like, but I think that the heavy saturation of combo isn't going to last very long. Unlike Miracles, a combo heavy meta is easy to beat.

EDIT: Elves aside, what I find really interesting is the low amount of GBx Deathrite Shaman decks. Where is the ban Deathrite Shaman crowd at now?

I'm pretty sure in the 4-1 bracket which are the results that I would be more interested in seeing. The mtgo 5-0 publishing system is really weird, it seems like they don't publish ALL 5-0s in a given day only a select few so take that as you will.

[Hanni]

I'm pretty sure in the 4-1 bracket which are the results that I would be more interested in seeing. The mtgo 5-0 publishing system is really weird, it seems like they don't publish ALL 5-0s in a given day only a select few so take that as you will.

Fair enough.

[danyul]

I'm pretty sure in the 4-1 bracket which are the results that I would be more interested in seeing. The mtgo 5-0 publishing system is really weird, it seems like they don't publish ALL 5-0s in a given day only a select few so take that as you will.

Yeah I would keep this in mind when parsing data. Remember that hullabaloo awhile back where they said they didn't want to publish as much MTGO data? So formats don't get solved so fast? That + the fact that they don't publish *all* 5-0's makes me not really trust these published results. I feel like they just pick them randomly or even cherrypick the spicy lists that are fun to look at. If they just showed a bunch of Czech Pile lists then it might be a little boring to look at.

ALTERNATIVE FACTS!

[Sibelius]

Little bit of speculation in this article about how the new meta is shaping up

https://thelibraryatpendrellvale.com/back-to-basics/

Sib

[Lemnear]

Little bit of speculation in this article about how the new meta is shaping up

https://thelibraryatpendrellvale.com/back-to-basics/

Sib

No word on combo despite it being more than 35% of the current online metagame? Hmmm

It's pretty dumb to chart it after only a few days of 5-rounders, but I was in Excel doing a content analysis anyway, so here are the four days combined:



Combo: 19 of 33 decks
Has Brainstorm: 25 of 33 decks

I never thought I would ever again see various stormtypes listed seperately

[pow22]

For what it's worth, this is the meta that I've faced over five MODO leagues over the last couple of days:

ANT	4
Eldrazi	3
BUG Delver	3
UR Delver	2
Maverick	2
Stoneblade	2
RUG Delver	1
Burn	1
TES	1
Sneak and Show	1
BR Reanimator	1
UR Splinter Twin	1
Nic Fit (Sneak Attack)	1
UB Death's Shadow	1
Portent Miracles	1

Obviously a small sample size, but might provide some info on the actual meta rather than just the 5-0 meta.

Surprisingly no Elves or Grixis Delver. I've been on Grixis myself and had been hoping to get some use out of main-deck Forked Bolt dammit!

[Noctalor]

Little bit of speculation in this article about how the new meta is shaping up

https://thelibraryatpendrellvale.com/back-to-basics/

Sib

We want more from that "awesome guy" asking for a DRS ban to contain miracles