[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Combo

[Ronald Deuce]

Maybe we can also add 1 Pyroblast but the 7 discard spell should be better ;)
Best regards Elmar

I'm starting to think running sideboard Thoughtseizes might be a good idea for matchups where we might not want to use Ad Nauseam. I'd toyed with the idea of running Thoughtseize and Massacre to fight hatebears, primarily because I'm in a metagame where the 'bears players know there's a good chance they should mulligan game-1 hands with Swords when they see my face.

EDIT: I also don't think I'll be running Decay next time I play Storm. We've got a lot more sideboard space now, and I think it's worth it to try reducing the number of catch-alls in the 'board for more specialized tools.

[TokugawaEdo]

I am still a fan of 1 or 2 AD in the delver MUs just to deal with delvers and deathrites, uncounterable is somewhat relevent. I am also still playing green for xantids and ancient grudges since i play in a very chalice heavy meta, so keeping a number of AD seems fine. Maybe recalls or echoing truths are fine but I have to do some testing. Here is what I am currently running:

1 Ad Nauseam
1 Bayou
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Dark Ritual
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Island
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Past in Flames
4 Polluted Delta
4 Ponder
3 Preordain
1 Swamp
1 Tendrils of Agony
3 Duress
1 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island

Sideboard

2 Abrupt Decay
1 Karakas
2 Massacre
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Xantid Swarm
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Echoing Truth
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Fatal Push

[thefringthing]

Quick thought on justifying Burning Wish: if you think it's now unnecessary to fill the sideboard with green cards, then freed-up sideboard space enables Burning Wish to take the place of sub-optimal tutors like Dark Petition and Grim Tutor, neither of which plays well with Ad Nauseam. Likewise the purely Grixis manabase allows playing one or two additional red sources to ensure Burning Wish is castable.

My starting list for testing is:
14 Lands
4 Dark Ritual, Cabal Ritual, Brainstorm, Ponder, Gitaxian Probe, Lotus Petal, Lion's Eye Diamond
3 Duress, Cabal Therapy, Infernal Tutor, Burning Wish
1 Tendrils of Agony, Empty the Warrens, Past in Flames, Ad Nauseam, Chrome Mox, Rain of Filth

2 Dread of Night
1 Massacre
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Past in Flames
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Telemin Performance
2 Echoing Truth
1 Pulverize
1 Deathmark
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Pyroclasm
1 Infernal Tutor

This list is lower to the ground in terms of average converted mana cost than Caleb Scherer's Miracles-era lists, plays the full six tutors, and has a lot of flexibility in terms of postboard configurations. E.g. the second Tendrils is available against Burn, second Past in Flames against control, etc.

[Lemnear]

Quick thought on justifying Burning Wish: if you think it's now unnecessary to fill the sideboard with green cards, then freed-up sideboard space enables Burning Wish to take the place of sub-optimal tutors like Dark Petition and Grim Tutor, neither of which plays well with Ad Nauseam.

2 Dread of Night
1 Massacre
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Past in Flames
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Telemin Performance
2 Echoing Truth
1 Pulverize
1 Deathmark
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Pyroclasm
1 Infernal Tutor

You are aware that you can do it like your storm brothers in arms and just run a DP in the sideboard and leave the 4 IT in the main?

[UseLess]

So, quick question about mainboard Abrupt Decay. With Miracles gone, I see a lot of people wanting to cut it, ideally to remove green altogether. I liked it mainboard also to take out the occasional Gaddock Teeg and co (Prelate, chalice, etc.) that people play more and more mainboard. I totally see the appeal for cutting Decay, but are there any alternatives that (reliably) answer such hate permanents? Depending only on discard seems a bit iffy to me. I would really like not to run green mainboard, but apart from something like chain of vapor (which is not that great) I think Decay is still the best catch-all answer we can play.

[fangzie]

Depending only on discard seems a bit iffy to me. I would really like not to run green mainboard, but apart from something like chain of vapor (which is not that great) I think Decay is still the best catch-all answer we can play.

Yeah, I played in a small local tournament today and the existence of Leo made me as sure as ever that decay is still relevant. I'm definitely less keen on it than I was, with the exception of bug I was siding in a max of two, but wanting to be able to draw it naturally definitely left me feeling like I still want the three I still have

[Morden]

So, quick question about mainboard Abrupt Decay. With Miracles gone, I see a lot of people wanting to cut it, ideally to remove green altogether. I liked it mainboard also to take out the occasional Gaddock Teeg and co (Prelate, chalice, etc.) that people play more and more mainboard. I totally see the appeal for cutting Decay, but are there any alternatives that (reliably) answer such hate permanents? Depending only on discard seems a bit iffy to me. I would really like not to run green mainboard, but apart from something like chain of vapor (which is not that great) I think Decay is still the best catch-all answer we can play.

I agree on everything. Everyone was getting crazy some weeks ago with decay MD, and now everyone wants to remove green. What about, on g1, chalice/thalia/prelate/eidolon? Not to mention randome hate less popular (at the moment) like trinisphere & gaddock that some decks run MD.
I would change my list not (only) for the loss of miracle, but for the impact this loss will have in the meta. The only thing I'm sure about is that we don't need anymore 4 decay, that's it.

[Gul_Dukat]

do any of you thinking splashing white for containment priest could be reasonable? seems like an amazing card vs sneak and show, and good for reanimator also? or painful truths to help fight vs hymn/cabal therapy decks?

I've also been running a grixis list and been very pleased with it.. running 2 Engineered Explosives in the board in the normal abrupt decay slot and was wondering if there was anything better I could play as a sort of hits everything while keeping my manabase really clean

[from Cairo]

do any of you thinking splashing white for containment priest could be reasonable? seems like an amazing card vs sneak and show, and good for reanimator also? or painful truths to help fight vs hymn/cabal therapy decks?

I think Surgical Extraction is our better option against Reanimator. Priest being off color of our game plan and being 2 mana is a pretty big liability.

I think Dark Confidant is better against discard/attrition decks it can come down turn 1 with a Petal or Ritual.

^Others may disagree, I'm just starting to learn playing with this deck rather than against it.


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[Lormador]

I would think Faerie Macabre is going to be better than Surgical Extraction because I don't see what other matchups Surgical is going to come in for, and the Faerie can not only beat down (lol) but is better against the Faithless Looting / discard 2 fatties / Exhume lines. Would we bring in the GY hate anywhere else? I don't see myself using Surgical in response to another's Surgical to remove my own card and fail to find the copies in my hand/library a la Lands.

I also think green mana brings a lot to the table, not only Decay but Xantid Swarm and Carpet of Flowers. That's pretty strong stuff.

[Morden]

surgical has TONS of befefits compared to priest:

-you don't need to splash an useless color
-it's very useful against combo matchup
-it's a free spell

this difference are HUGE. And also compared to faerie, I prefer surgical because I can side in against combo. The package flusterstorm+surgical is perfect to fight reanimator/S&T/mirror, you don't need other suboptimal cards. The departure of miracle gived us more space in SB, but there still is too much hate over there to fight, we can use our SB slots better.

[Tiberius42]

Former miracles player here, is there like a stock list anywhere that I should start with?

[Quasim0ff]

Former miracles player here, is there like a stock list anywhere that I should start with?

Ditto; I'd personally go for Control4Daze on mtgo (Brandon S. Osborne)

[ScottW]

CabalTherapy top 8!

http://series.magiccardmarket.eu/201...swiecki-storm/

[acidhead]

Former miracles player here, is there like a stock list anywhere that I should start with?

Hey, fellow comrade! I can recommend CabalTherapy's list. Beside that Togores list from the GP Prague was the one I started with and it worked good for me as well. Also check out the old articles from Carsten Kötter if you want to learn the mindset.

@CT well fought, congrats! I'm curious how you lost against this grixis list, didn't looked strong on paper.

[Sloshthedark]

had a weird one on the MKM, I hate the ban and dont really enjoy the game atm, my MUs offered 0 challenges, either the deck worked or not, might have won G1Rr1 had I played more conservative.. played ADMD list with a lot of combo hate

1-2 Dredge
1-2 D+T
2-0 Aggroloam
2-0'Elves
2-0 Elves
1-2 Merfolk
2-0 Elves
2-0 Lands
2-0 Eldrazi
2-0 Elves

Congrats to CT!, hard earned and well deserved top 8, tnx for bringing GT back to the spotlight...

[JamieW89]

Sweet :D

Also played my first post-ban event, but it was just a local 5 rounder without a top-8. Went 4-1 losing to UWR Blade (clunky hand once and a rare loss to wasteland in the other).

Was using this list:
15 Lands (4 Delta, 3 Tarn, 1 Cata, 2 Sea, Badl,Volc,Trop,2 Basics)
17 Fast Mana (1 Rain of filth)
6 Discard (3/3)
14 Cantrips
8 Business (ToA,EtW,AdN,PiF,4 Tutor)
SB:
1 Karakas
1 Chain of Vapor
2 Flusterstorm
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Pyroclasm
2 Massacre
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Xantid Swarm

I really like still having some Decays. And 2 feels more than enough, since there aren't many matchups where you want more (and when you do you'd prefer matchup-specific answers).
I'm back on Massacre as part of the anti-hatebear package as it will also be okay against some Blade decks which are playable again.
I underestimated Sneak and Show I think (it just won the MKM and split the local I played in), might go back up to 2 Swarms. Probably cutting the 2nd Hurkyl's or the Grudge. Regarding the Surgicals, I did not really play a ton vs BR Reanimate, perhaps a Crypt is good too.
I liked having Empty and Ad Nauseam main, and will probably continue to play both. Also happy with Preordains, might play more and cut the Rain of Filth again (although it wasn't terrible).

Are you guys still happy with the 2nd Tendrils sb in a post-SDT world?

[Gul_Dukat]

I was wondering how you guys beat Grixis Delver? I have been having a lot of trouble with this matchup.. any tips on how to beat them more? good sideboard options? how to play the matchup etc? do you side in removal? what do you cut etc?

I have just been siding in 2 fluster 1 duress.. but they are so strong vs us.

I feel very confident vs everything except Grixis Delver..

do you side out lotus petal? preordain? cabal ritual?

one reason tormods crypt could be better than the macabre is that macabre is cmc3 for ad nauseam which matters when you want to run 3-4.. but macabre is instant speed and non spell (plays around chancellor) crypt also as its upsides as does surgical..

also do you side in Karakas against show and tell?

[ColonelKiwi]

I side out ad nauseum for an empty the warrens.

[xeroxAV]

RE: Builds with Burning Wish

I have been running 2 and loving them. The extra business has been strong and I enjoy not being dead to hatebears Game 1, as well as G1 access to Empty the Warrens. I have had no issues with 2 Wishes clogging up hands or only having 2 red sources plus Petals, but I could see how both could be a problem. I've played ten or so matches with this list and dropped one, while beating D&T variants four or five times.

List:

Lands (15)

4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Polluted Delta
3 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Badlands
1 Island
1 Swamp

Fast Mana (17)

4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
1 Rain of Filth

Cantrips (13)

4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Gitaxian Probe
1 Preordain

Protection (6)

3 Cabal Therapy
3 Duress

Business (9)

4 Infernal Tutor
2 Burning Wish
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony

Sideboard (15)

2 Surgical Extraction
2 Flusterstorm
1 Dread of Night
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Hurkyl's Recall

Wishboard

2 Massacre
1 Thoughtseize
1 Pyroclasm
1 Dark Petition
1 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Empty the Warrens