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Originally Posted by B88
5-0 on my first league attempt with this deck! Beginners luck!
Deck played out very smoothly.
1) Jund: 2-1
2) Painter Stone: 2-0
3) BUG Delver: 2-1
4) TES: 2-0
5) Aggroloam: 2-1
My List:
Main
4 Flooded Strands
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Arid Mesa
3 Tundra
5 Island
2 Plains
1 Karakas
3 Snapcaster Mage
3 Jace, the Mind-Sculptor
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Portent
4 Predict
3 Counterspell
4 Force of will
3 Swords to Plowshares
4 Terminus
3 Unexpectedly Absent
1 Entreat the Angels
Sideboard
3 x Flusterstorm
3 x Ethersworn Canonist
2 x Containment Priests
2 x Surgical Extraction
2 x Vendilion Clique
2 x Monastery Mentor
1 x Blue Elemental Blast
Thoughts on Scroll Rack? Enables Predict, Entreat, Terminus, Counterbalance, etc.
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Really really really really reallllly bad. Dies to decay, can't draw cards off of it, since miracles don't trigger with it's ability, and interactable when the rest of the deck isn't.
Nicely done!
Nice to see Mzfroste is back on the deck, and it's continuing to put up results.
I'm pretty picky about my printings. It actually makes me unreasonably upset that one of my paper Cliques is MM1 versus two that are MOR.
Nice job! I was watching Hoogland stream, you played really well (you're Moa right?). You also have the same versions of everything as me
Agree on Fire and Loam. Mage is a great answer to these two cards, but I feel like it's lackluster vs a lot of other things and wouldn't pull its weight in the sb. B2B/Moon/FtA might be a better way to attack these problems.
Continuing on the subject of loam and fire, I am hesitant to play B2B and am not yet sold on splashing red. Spell Queller is another card that could warrant testing, though admittedly it is also possibly too narrow. In practice, since loam begets loam, the timing where queller could be effective is likely pretty limited.
We got Mzfroste back!
How does everyone feel about Rest in Peace? We are definitely a Snapcaster deck and RIP works against that but this card is pretty good against Pfire and Loam as well, forcing the various flavors of loam decks to dig for removal. The nice thing about this card over Surgical is that they can't meme their way around it with cycling or holding up a Grove. It makes Deathrite into Norwood Ranger and Unexpectedly Absent followed by RIP bricks opposing Gurmags pretty good.
The cost of playing RIP is too high, and it is too slow.
We need to contact the Miracles players who said they were going to quit after the ban and show them the new list. The great players in here have demonstrated its viability even if it's not the best deck in the format.
I think it could be.
I know I was going to quit but these lists showed up before I could get my cards sold for a reasonable price.
I definitely agree. I can't believe I wasted the money on both paper and online Sneak and Show. I should have had more faith in you guys.
Against Lands, RiP is definitely good enough. It is also a better card against Storm, as it shuts off PiF kill, forcing Storm player to find answer or alternative line via Dark petition etc, which means your wizard beats might get there. However, rip is too slow for whatever colors reanimators.
It may be compelling to test the BR Reanimator matchup with 2x RIP in place of the 2x Surgical. You have Forces, Swords, Terminus, and UA followed by RIP out of the board. I think the RIP could add a lot to the other matchups.
Re: Legends Package
There's a lot of combo in my meta, and I found that Clique and Venser MD were really helpful in winning a higher percentage of my Game 1's, which obviously lead to a better overall win rate. So I was wondering if it would be possible to still keep them, since they've proven very useful in the past in my specific meta.
I did a little playtesting, and I do think it's reasonable to conclude that Venser might be too slow in the main without Counter-Top to protect me, especially early on. I'm not 100% set on the idea either way, I just wanted to explore it. Swampfoot, thanks for your notes, they were helpful, especially the part about the 2nd Karakas. I was wondering if 20 lands would be enough because I always ran 21 lands previously, and the land I cut to get down to 20 was the 2nd Karakas. It's good to know Clique and Venser can still work with 20 lands.
I also got a chance to play some games against a variety of decks (Eldrazi, BUG Delver, and UW Stoneblade) the other day with a 'stock' list and I really liked how the deck handled, so it may be that Venser isn't as useful in this incarnation as it was to me when Top was still around. The Portent/Ponder/Brainstorm/Predict/Jace lets you see a TON of your deck (I couldn't believe how full my graveyard was each game) and Unexpectedly Absent synergizes very well with the deck, so UA might be a better 'catch all' option than Venser in this particular shell.
Re: Counterbalance
jdmdave, I have to ask, how are you making Counterbalance work for you? I tried it out, and even against Burn or UR Delver I had a hard time getting it to work consistently for me. I freely admit it could be because I'm pretty new to Miracles, especially compared to a lot of you. However I felt the tempo loss of dropping CB in the first place and having to flip blind on a semi-regular basis was very hit or miss. My opponents also didn't seem to have much trouble playing around it, since they could just throw out a test spell, see if CB was set to that number, and if yes, hold off until the next turn, if no, they would start casting spells. They could afford to out wait me because we don't have the ability to permanently float what we want and change it at instant speed on a consistent basis. Bottom line it was nice to catch opponents once in a while, but it felt very inconsistent to me. Is there something specific you are doing to make it work for you?
I was super aggressive using my cantrips with counterbalance. Think a S&S player setting up his Sneak or Show, but in this case I'm just trying to setup the top of my library.
So far I'd have to say I'm still a big fan of Venser, but no longer running a second in the SB. He is still great with Karakas against the mirror and allowed me to completely turn a game around against an opponent with Jace on board. He lead the way in a complete blowout against Lands and in my Sultai Delver matchup pulled the ole bounce Lili in response to her discard trigger with no cards in opponent's hand.
I think Unexpectedly Absent does a decent enough Vensor impression, but at the same time more synergistic with the rest of the deck.So far I'd have to say I'm still a big fan of Venser, but no longer running a second in the SB. He is still great with Karakas against the mirror and allowed me to completely turn a game around against an opponent with Jace on board. He lead the way in a complete blowout against Lands and in my Sultai Delver matchup pulled the ole bounce Lili in response to her discard trigger with no cards in opponent's hand.
The Vensor - Lili trick is definitely one of the most satisfying play the Legends build enabled.
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