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I am also not sold on As Foretold but I'm not understanding why you'd need to reset it. It's X or less, unlike Aether Vial. Unless I'm missing something.
EDIT: NM beat me to it.
Have we reached a consensus on the number of UAs and STPs? There seems to be 3UA/2STP lists and 2UA/3STP lists. I have been playing 3UA/2STP and UA is a chunky spell for certain but helps us not lose to Chalice.
As said before, As Foretold cast card for X or less cmc, so no need to reset it, the enchantment just get stronger as time last. You really should considère it, casting Ancestral Vision is just awesome. And if I'm not wrong, you can even flashback it through Snapcaster. I was aiming the deck to operate mid and late game with Venser/Clique lock, and early game controled through counterspell. Well, it's an early attempt, things will tell if this works good or not.
IT IS TWO AND A HALF MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
This FF and AV package will get run over by Delver and Combo, both cards on their own are too slow and they're easy to break up.
The legend package was much better before the ban because being able to break up CB with Venser + Cavern was amazing, since that's gone it's a lot worse. Delver will run it over too I think.
Not really. Keep playing and see what you like. My favourite configuration so far has been 4 StP and 2 UA md, with a Disenchant in the SB.Originally Posted by Richard Arschmann
Andrea Mengucci takes the latest Miracles list for a spin: https://www.channelfireball.com/arti...isnt-dead-yet/
You can't flashback Visions.
I tested 4 Leylines and they performed well. I went 5-1 in matches where they came in: 2-0 vs Burn, 2-0 vs Belcher, 1-0 vs ANT, 0-1 vs TES. Though if it weren't for correcting the Burn matchup, I feel like I might actually prefer Canonist given its performance against Sneak Attack, Omnitell, or any derivation thereof. I'm kind of torn here because I want these slots to serve as much utility as possible, but I hate the idea of being an auto-lose to Burn when you can just as easily flip the match in your favor.
I wonder if Leyline would give you extra points in other matchups that rely heavily on hand disruption such as BR Reanimator or GB Depths. Maybe that's just a ridiculous idea ...
What about a 2/2 split of Leyline and Canonist? Or maybe 3/1? Canonist has utility in other matchups so even if it's not as good as Leylines vs. Burn, perhaps it's good enough to help in conjunction with the 2 or 3 Leylines while still pitching in against other matchups, giving us back some of our sideboard flexibility?
I am aware that going down to 2 Leylines might diminish their utility to the point where they're no longer worth including, so that's an obvious downside to this route.
Please note I haven't tried this myself yet, so this is pure speculation and I was wondering if anyone else had gone this route.
Just to clarify, are you saying that most people are playing 3 Leylines of Sanctity in place of Ethersworn Canonist now? I'm asking because I haven't seen any decklists show up yet with Leylines, while pretty much all of them have Canonist. I realize that doesn't mean anything; you know way more people than I do who are testing this out so I assume you have more up to date info than me, and of course not all lists get posted. I just wanted to clarify if that's what you meant.
If people are playing Leylines in place of Canonist, is it just because of Burn and Storm or are they coming in for other matchups too?
gotta be kidding me, the path to exile in the article's SB. I don't think he ran Path in his videos, he had SFM packages in the deck-tech.
I'm wondering about the 3/1 split too. I'm going to give it a try
LOL, I was thinking the exact same thing, haha
So far in testing Leyline has been great, it's done exactly what it's meant to do and beat Burn and Storm. I've not played it vs BUG Decks with Hymn, Thoughtseize, Liliana etc yet, I think we side it in vs them? Honestly not sure though.
Regarding numbers, I've been playing three as a straight swap for Canonists, higher numbers are better for testing too. Vs Storm I've had them in my opener often enough, but I think theoretically we can play the game until turn four and play it, though it's tough through their discard obviously. I've been discussing a 2/1 split of Leyline and Canonist with friends though, that could be fine. Would appreciate some more feedback if anyone else gets to try it.
Sorry for the double post, but I've had quite a lot of people ask me for sideboarding advice, so I thought it'd be useful to post some thoughts here. Take this all with a grain of salt, since Miracles is a reactive deck, sbing should be treated as such too. You can sb differently vs different opponents based on how they play and how many cards you see them sideboarding in/out, not just what deck they're playing. Feel free to question/challenge anything too, I could well be off base!
One thing to note, I leave in Force of Will a lot more than most people, the only matchup where I board down to less than two is Jund. I think now more than ever we need to recoup some early tempo loss and force through Terminus against blue creature strategies, we can recoup the card disadvantage later with Predict, Jace and SCM.
Here is the list I'm playing and am happy with for the time being.
3 Snapcaster Mage
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Ponder
4 Portent
4 Terminus
1 Entreat the Angels
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Brainstorm
4 Predict
4 Force of Will
3 Counterspell
2 Unexpectedly Absent
3 Tundra
5 Island
3 Plains
4 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
2 Arid Mesa
SB:
3 Flusterstorm
3 Surgical Extraction
3 Leyline of Sanctity
2 Monastery Mentor
2 Back to Basics
1 Disenchant
1 Vendilion Clique
Grixis Delver:
-1 Entreat the Angels
-2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
-1 Counterspell
-1 Force of Will
+3 Flusterstorm
+2 Monastery Mentor
ANT:
-1 Plains
-4 Swords to Plowshares
-1 Terminus
-1 Entreat the Angels
-3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
-2 Unexpectedly Absent
+3 Flusterstorm
+3 Surgical Extraction
+3 Leyline of Sanctity
+2 Monastery Mentor
+1 Vendilion Clique
BUG Delver:
-1 Terminus
-2 Force of Will
-1 Counterspell
+2 Flusterstorm
+2 Monastery Mentor/B2B...all of the cards we're taking out are also good here.
Especially in this matchup you should pay attention to how the opponent plays and how many cards they're boarding in/out. If you suspect they're leaving in Decays I wouldn't bring in B2B or Mentor, if you think they're taking them out you can bring both in.
Mirror:
-1 Plains
-3 Swords to Plowshares
-2 Terminus
+3 Flusterstorm
+2 Monastery Mentor
+1 Vendilion Clique
Sneak and Show:
-1 Plains
-4 Terminus
-4 Swords to Plowshares
+3 Flusterstorm
+2 Surgical Extraction
+1 Disenchant
+1 Vendilion Clique
+2 Monastery Mentor
Death and Taxes:
-3 Counterspell
-1 Force of Will
-1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
+2 Back to Basics
+2 Monastery Mentor
+1 Disenchant
Elves:
-1 Unexpectedly Absent
-1 Counterspell
+2 Monastery Mentor
Bant Deathblade:
-2 Swords to Plowshares
-1 Force of Will
+2 Back to Basics
+1 Disenchant
Esper Deathblade:
-2 Swords to Plowshares
-2 Force of Will
+2 Monastery Mentor
+1 Vendilion Clique
+1 Disenchant
UR Delver:
-2 Predict
-1 Counterspell
-2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
+3 Flusterstorm
+2 Monastery Mentor
Moon Stompy:
-2 Portent
-1 Terminus
+2 Monastery Mentor
+1 Disenchant
Eldrazi:
-1 Portent
-1 Ponder
-3 Coutnerspell
+2 Monastery Mentor
+2 Back to Basics
+1 Disenchant
I've not played this matchup enough to know if Portent or Ponder is better/worse. Ponder is better for land drops, Portent for Terminus.
BG Depths:
-4 Terminus
-1 Counterspell
-1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
+2 Flusterstorm
+3 Surgical Extraction
+1 Disenchant
Leylines might be good here, I've not played it with them yet.
Aggro Loam:
-2 Terminus
-2 Portent
-1 Force of Will
+2 Monastery Mentor
+2 Back to Basics
+1 Disenchant
Jund:
-3 Force of Will
-1 Counterspell
+2 Back to Basics
+2 Monastery Mentor
Shardless:
-1 Force of Will
-1 Terminus
+2 Monastery Mentor
UB Landstill:
-4 Terminus
-1 Entreat the Angels
-1 Swords to Plowshares
+3 Flusterstorm
+2 Monastery Mentor
+1 Vendilion Clique
Lands:
-4 Terminus
-3 Counterspell
-1 Predict
+3 Surgical Extraction
+2 Back to Basics
+2 Monastery Mentor
+1 Disenchant
BR Reanimator:
-4 Terminus
-1 Counterspell
-2 Unexpectedly Absent
+3 Flusterstorm
+3 Surgical Extraction
+1 Vendilion Clique
Similar to Depths, Leyline might be good here, I haven't played it yet with them in the sb.
4c Control:
-2 Swords to Plowshares
-2 Terminus
-1 Unexpectedly Absent
+2 Flusterstorm
+2 Monastery Mentor
+1 Vendilion Clique
Infect:
-3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
-2 Counterspell
-1 Entreat the Angels
+3 Flusterstorm
+1 Vendilion Clique
+2 Back to Basics
Food Chain:
-2 Swords to Plowshares
-1 Force of Will
+2 Monastery Mentor
+1 Disnchant
This matchup feels really bad, something to address. I didn't like Canonist vs it either very much as they can outgrind you easily.
Burn:
-2 Terminus
-2 Jace, the Mind Scluptor
-2 Predict
-1 Counterspell
-1 Force of Will
+3 Flusterstorm
+3 Leyline of Sanctity
+2 Monastery Mentor
Maverick:
-3 Counterspell
+2 Monastery Mentor
+1 Disenchant
Big Red:
-4 Terminus
-3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
+3 Flusterstorm
+1 Disenchant
+1 Vendilion Clique
+2 Monastery Mentor
Jace isn't bad in this matchup though, could be wrong to sb them out.
Whitefaces, thanks for the insight, it is really helpful! Have a few remarks though.
Why do you side in BtB against Jund and not against Shardless? Both decks have Shamans/Decays and play few basics, though Shardless seems to be more controlling deck, and BtB will shine as the game goes longer.
I playtested against this match and Leylines were really good, especially if Reanimator is playing numerous Collective Brutality's since under Leylines they can only choose one mode with it (no additional discard is nice). Also it is much easier to win with counterspells as long as they are not under the risk of discarding.
No problem!
I side in Back to Basics vs anything with Grove of the Burnwillows and Punishing Fire (I just realised I didn't include the Punishing Thieves deck in that list, I board it in vs them too). This engine is one of the best ways to beat us, and against fair decks like Jund I don't want to have a narrower card like Surgical Extraction to stop it, they're also sometimes able to play around it. So B2B isn't really to attack their mana, for that reason I don't bring it in vs Shardless, but to stop that engine. It can steal some free wins too, which is a nice bonus.
Leyline does sound great vs BR Reanimator, I'll try it next time I'm paired vs it! Not sure what else to take out yet, it feels like we have a lot of great tools to beat them.
I suggest we can side out 2 Plains since we drop the amount of white cards and possibly 1 Portent
Played a UWR variantion yesterday in my LGS.
Sideboard was:
3 mentor
2 canonist
2 REB
3 Fluster
2 moon
2 surgical
1 clique
2x1 Burn - mentor really helped the clock here. Thinking about the need for leyline.
2x0 Grixis Control - the red splash was amazing, moo won by itself G2.
2x1 Death and taxe - i am findindg this game easier than it was before the ban. They cant keep up with our card advantage.
ID - RUG Delver - we played before the event begins and I won 2 games pre board and los one. Didn't test the sideboard games yet.
This deck is pure gas!
Nice run! Agree about Death and Taxes, I've found it a lot easier than before too.
I notice your list lacks red. Is that because it is unnecessary to you, or you haven't had adequate testing with it?
I think it's a bit weird to run less than 4 leylines if you're running them. Surviving til you hit 4 land drops seems iffy, especially if this becomes "standard tech" and people play around it. Maybe it's enough in Vegas, but once it becomes "known" thinking you can draw into it seems dangerous. I always try to make "what happens if people know what I'm doing" decisions, because if what i'm doing is any good, they will eventually know anyway.
Anyway, Canonist is brutal. I would wholeheartedly recommend as many as you're willing to run. Infect, Food Chain, Aluren, Storm, Omnishow, Elves, Sneakshow, etc.. all good. If nothing else it makes your counterspells one-sided, like a backwards Defense Grid. Vs. Infect it's amazingly good, due to them being unable to answer any of your answers, so they have to either get 2-for-1'd whenever they do something, or slow roll you. Aluren is pretty funny because if it's in your hand you can just play it in response to them playing harpy [when starting their combo] and they have to pass the turn. I would be mildly worried about Discard, but them's the breaks.
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