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    Re: The current state of Magic

    Make Rebels great again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanti View Post
    Shoudn't Tahngarth, Sisay, and Squee be having their own adventures on the Victory? I would be excited for Squee 2.0, a new series of ships that are playable, and some Sisay draw spells plz.
    Pretty sure Tahngarth and Sisay died from old age since the conflict was several hundred years ago, but maybe Squee is still around due to his supposed immortality.

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    IIRC, the Phyrexian invasion happened about 100 years before Odyssey, and that happened about 100 years before Time Spiral, and the current timeline is about sixty years after that, so...yes, everyone from the Weatherlight should be dead except possibly for Squee.

    Squee, King of the Dominarian Goblins would be fucking rad, though.

    As for Slivers, they likely still exist, and will probably show up if they're plot relevant. If they weren't bringing back Core Sets, I would say there would be a 100% chance of them showing up because that's the most logical place to rehash that beloved tribe, but with Core Sets now in the mix I'm not so sure. I honestly hope they don't bring Slivers back because the design space is kind of tapped out there, but it's also low-hanging fruit that will get people excited and drive sales, so who knows.

    We've seen some glimpses of Dominaria, in approximately the current timeline, though I don't know how canon they still are. Elspeth was hiding there after she fled from Bant but before she went to New Phyrexia to help out Koth; Ajani tried to recruit her to come back to Alara, but Koth ended up getting both her and Venser to come with him. Ajani apparently still hangs out on Dominaria. The plane doesn't appear to be as bad as it was during TSP but it isn't recovered by any stretch, but that might have just been due to where that particular part of the plot took place. Shiv and Jamuraa should be relatively intact since Teferi had kept them phased out until the mending started.

    I'm somewhat optimistic about most of what's been announced. The change to the block model is good and makes sense. Having the Core Sets back as a repository for generic answers in Standard will hopefully help that format get off life support, though I'm doubtful they've truly found a way to make Core Sets sell as well as regular sets. The digital stuff is a mess but WotC's digital stuff is always a mess, so at least it's holding steady (though, seriously, who in god's name thought an MMO was a good idea?!). Ixalan seems hammy enough to be genuinely enjoyable, and a return to Dominaria after a long absence is welcome, if predictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggro_zombies View Post
    I'm somewhat optimistic about most of what's been announced. The change to the block model is good and makes sense. Having the Core Sets back as a repository for generic answers in Standard will hopefully help that format get off life support, though I'm doubtful they've truly found a way to make Core Sets sell as well as regular sets. The digital stuff is a mess but WotC's digital stuff is always a mess, so at least it's holding steady (though, seriously, who in god's name thought an MMO was a good idea?!). Ixalan seems hammy enough to be genuinely enjoyable, and a return to Dominaria after a long absence is welcome, if predictable.
    They do seem to have started printing more answers again (e.g. HOU has a Shatter with a 3 damage option, or the new Pithing Neelde variant in Ixalan). But that all doesn't help when we get "Felidar Guardian 2: Hostage Boogaloo" with that new UB pirate because they couldn't use common sense in their wording.

    What currently annoys me the most about MTGO that there's no sane way to play the decks that really interest me (Counters Company in Modern, Food Chain/Bomberman in Legacy) due to the way infinite combos (don't) work on MTGO. It's forcing you to spend hundreds, if not thousands of clicks for a single game for something that could be easily cut short in Paper.

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    Re: The current state of Magic

    Want the special Magic VIP package for HasCon? Pay 600 FUCKING DOLLARS for a bunch of garbage. Also, these are the panels.



    What the hell is wrong with them?

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    Print more dredge cards and more cards that can abuse them.





    Can I get an amen?

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    1 hour Q&A with Maro? Another poorly scripted Improv show? Do they want people to abandon magic?
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    I about died from laughter when I was watching my feature match and the commentators called Tinfins a difficult and challenging deck.

    I'm not saying it's the easiest deck to play, but the plan is so linear that I could probably get white girl wasted and still beat people with the deck.
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    If I had the money, I would have a bunch of my friends go and we would ask nothing but questions on why X or Y is not legal/is still legal in Legacy and ask why they thought Restricting Gush was going to solve a MM and Mentor problem.
    It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    If I had the money, I would have a bunch of my friends go and we would ask nothing but questions on why X or Y is not legal/is still legal in Legacy and ask why they thought Restricting Gush was going to solve a MM and Mentor problem.
    Don't feel too bad, you wouldn't get the answers you want. When I got a response on his blog about Mind Twist he was like "lol cause it's broken" and all the seals horked in approval. I wouldn't expect better responses.
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    ... all the seals horked in approval. ...
    Such a vivid metaphor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Want the special Magic VIP package for HasCon? Pay 600 FUCKING DOLLARS for a bunch of garbage. Also, these are the panels.

    What the hell is wrong with them?
    MtG has increasingly stopped appearing at large gaming conventions. Why pay through the nose to go to GenCon when almost no gamer hasn't tried Magic? Instead they show up at comic-cons and other conventions that fit under general nerd-dom. They've got gamers. They're after a different group of people now. The events at HasCon aren't for Magic players. They're for the kid who's into My Little Pony or Transformers.

    That being said, it's a weird combination of ^that^ and the exclusively pre-release of Iconic Non-Reserved Masters
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    So this is from the official Ixalan page - Pirate Vraska fighting dinosaurs.

    This is silly enough to be actually awesome. At least it isn't "Jacetice League joins a new plane to ruin everything yet again!" plot.
    GTF outta here. Feathers on dinosaurs = ruined

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    GTF outta here. Feathers on dinosaurs = ruined
    Yeah, why can't they be realistic dinos just like in Jurassic World. Stupid archaeologists thinking they know things.

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    This was originally brought up in the Community MTGO thread when the change happened, but interesting article about the impacts of Wizards further restricting the MTGO Daily data.

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles...-data-insanity

    Reminder of the change:

    Starting immediately, Wizards would be cutting the number of decklists published from Magic Online in half—from 10 per format per day to five per format per day. Along with reducing published lists, Wizards would also be changing the way the lists were selected. In the past, the 10 lists were chosen at random. Moving forward, the five lists will be random but with the caveat that there won't be any overlap (so the same archetype can't be published twice on the same day).
    Quote Originally Posted by Acclimation View Post
    I about died from laughter when I was watching my feature match and the commentators called Tinfins a difficult and challenging deck.

    I'm not saying it's the easiest deck to play, but the plan is so linear that I could probably get white girl wasted and still beat people with the deck.
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    Just read this after you read the announcement: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles...-data-insanity

    I hate the idea there is going to be ever less Vintage data. Also, as a guy who plays with data a lot, this is going to impact Legacy. The new Miracles deck is a DTB right now mostly because of its strong online showing. This change is going to warp how the DTB is set up, because a portion of the data used to structure it is no longer in any way a true sample. Its now a curated snapshot of the ideal that Wizards wishes to see.

    I also find it strange that homogeneity is viewed as so bad it must be stamped out in any way that they can manage, while older formats like Legacy and Vintage are left to stew in the same pot regardless of the situations that arise. Miracles was a blight on Legacy for a long time, the format basically had its "Solved" deck and we watched for years as it was overlooked and left untouched. Right up to them stating that even with all the data, if it was not for "time issues" top would have been left alone. No action taken, even with all the data they held. (You do not have to agree with my view on Miracles to at least admit that piece of writing was BS)

    Basicly what I am saying is I do not feel that Wizards can be trusted to make the correct choices behind closed doors with the data they hord. They have shown to me, as a data monkey, that they are unwilling to use this mountain of data (that I would kill to access) for anything other than a pulpit from which to look down on people like myself and tell us "We know more than you so shove it" when we say there are issues.
    It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
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    Re: The current state of Magic

    Players, "Card X is broken"
    Wizards, "Oh really? Show me the data"
    Players, "We can't, you have all the data"
    Wizards, "Oh right, hold on let me check"
    Players, "..."
    Wizards, "Nope, card X is fine"
    Players, "..."
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    Gross, other formats. I puked in my mouth a little.

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    ...
    Players, "..."
    Wizards, "Nope, card X is fine"
    Players, "..."
    Wizards, "See it' isn't even in the list of 5-0 decks on MTGO!"

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    After coming back and playing a bit I think Leovold, TNN, and DRS should all go away to banland. They're just honestly stupid, unfun cards.

    Like, DRS basically nukes all non-dredge GY strats as a side effect of existing and being everywhere. TNN is the least interactive creature I've ever seen, and it's got relevant Tribal status to boot. Leovold is just pushed too hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    After coming back and playing a bit I think Leovold, TNN, and DRS should all go away to banland. They're just honestly stupid, unfun cards.

    Like, DRS basically nukes all non-dredge GY strats as a side effect of existing and being everywhere. TNN is the least interactive creature I've ever seen, and it's got relevant Tribal status to boot. Leovold is just pushed too hard.
    So here's the thing about DRS, it's one of the only actually interactive pieces of yard hate in legacy. Leyline, RiP, Cage, Priest, and others of that ilk simply exist to create non-games of magic. The non-game problem is especially apparent in the entire modern format, where the name of the game is to side in "you can't ever win" standalone cards.

    DRS is a heavily played card, it is a powerful card....but it enables a multitude of strategies, particularly at higher than 1-2cmc (Counterbalance is effectively gone, decks are now better in the sense that they've become their meaner [lower-costed] forms). Also consider that because legacy is now healthy (no Counterbalance), we don't have to suffer through every DRS strategy being 4x DRS + 4x Decay as a baseline; so again, variety has overall increased surrounding DRS.

    I don't think anyone is going to argue that all 3 of the creatures you've listed are well-designed, but that hardly makes them ban-worthy. You're also talking about hitting 3 creatures which are all in the same deck. You can call 4x Hierarch, 4x DRS, 4x mix of Leo/TNN whatever you want, but it's TurboTNN - it's a fairly mindless strategy, it shouldn't win games, but it does. There are a number of decks like that revolving around SCM (Czech Pile), SFM (UWx Blade), or BBE/Shardless - they all pretty much play like the same deck (obviously Jund isn't blue), just piles of good cards augmented by good creatures (and you can up that count with Baleful Strix in most of them).

    The solution to decks like those are getting pinched by Delver while simultaneously getting hammered by combo, rather than trying to ban a mountain of good stuff cards. I would guess that Portent miracles is also beginning to do its part from the control side to limit the midrange soup. From the combo side I can tell you that banning Surgical, Leyline, RiP, and Cage would severely decrease play'ability of the three cards you want gone; but even then you're talking about an immediate ban on the Daze Angel (Chancellor). Legacy is actually in a pretty nice place right now, Decay isn't mandatory and I can't even remember the last time I had to face a Goyf since Push was printed. That silent prisoner exchange of Goyf/Decay for Leo/TNN/Push is one that DRS happened to fit into nicely on either side, so it gets played more - now what did happen there though was a definite upshift in DRS + blue, and focusing on that blue spike will make a more sound ban argument than these three creatures are "stupid [and] unfun."

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    After coming back and playing a bit I think Leovold, TNN, and DRS should all go away to banland. They're just honestly stupid, unfun cards.

    Like, DRS basically nukes all non-dredge GY strats as a side effect of existing and being everywhere. TNN is the least interactive creature I've ever seen, and it's got relevant Tribal status to boot. Leovold is just pushed too hard.
    Leovold would be less of an issue if it couldn't ride on DRS' perfect mana wave. But that's not the B&R thread.

    The whole thing stinks, but it's going to backfire eventually. Just because they handpick their data now doesn't mean that metagame can't stink. Players still vote with their wallet and if the metagame is perceived as "unfun", they'll stop spending. The playerbase in general should use its power more often because if all the recent changes have shown anything, then it's that we got WotC by the balls.

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