[Primer] Nic Fit

[Mr. Safety]

So, just for starters:

-3 Drs
+2 birds
+1 jitte

Birds do the mana, jitte does the threat part of drs.

[Megadeus]

Not super relevant to the discussion, but in light of todays bannings I thought it would be funny to see how players reacted to Deathrite being made

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...ntrol)/page119

[Echelon]

So, just for starters:

-3 Drs
+2 birds
+1 jitte

Birds do the mana, jitte does the threat part of drs.

No birds or Jitte for me. Bird is pretty damn lackluster. Ramp wasn't necessarily why I ran DRS. Not sure what to replace it with though. Might start looking at Quirion Ranger/Scryb Ranger. In which case I might add a singleton BoP.

[Matsu]

I am moving on a 2x sakura tribe elder plan.
I did some test before banning with Arena Rector, but I have mixed feelings.

I think I will try a Living Wish package if still have issues with Arena Rector.

Just curious, did any of you tried Banana Man Tasigur, before the ban?

[Ralf]

I am moving on a 2x sakura tribe elder plan.
I did some test before banning with Arena Rector, but I have mixed feelings.

I think I will try a Living Wish package if still have issues with Arena Rector.

What is your issue ?

I'm having a lot of fun with my BANT build and I will bring it to my next LGS tournament to get more feedbacks !

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...=1#post1045785

[Echelon]

Just curious, did any of you tried Banana Man Tasigur, before the ban?

Yup. Karakas is a bitch. Just go for Angler and smash face. Or cut the middle man (Fierce Empath) and run Siege Rhino/Chameleon Colossus/whatever.

[Matsu]

What is your issue ?

I'm having a lot of fun with my BANT build and I will bring it to my next LGS tournament to get more feedbacks !

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...=1#post1045785

Yeah, that is the problem i do not want to be in bleu.

I am testing WBG with some splash and see if it is playable. At the moment i will wait until the metagame will settle after the recent bans. The biggest problem is drawing your Ugin when you cannot cast it. That is why I switched Bolas God into Kaya to have an edge against combo or control decks.

Yup. Karakas is a bitch. Just go for Angler and smash face. Or cut the middle man (Fierce Empath) and run Siege Rhino/Chameleon Colossus/whatever.

Indeed Karakas is a bitch. I was looking for a cheap creatures after board reset (deeds). Tasigur fills the role. You explode the board buy him for 1B and use his ability to bring back some cards. It is less about smashing face, i was looking for an utility creature.

[Mr. Safety]

No birds or Jitte for me. Bird is pretty damn lackluster. Ramp wasn't necessarily why I ran DRS. Not sure what to replace it with though. Might start looking at Quirion Ranger/Scryb Ranger. In which case I might add a singleton BoP.

You're probably right, we don't need birds. I worry about counting on gsz/arbor as extra mana acceleration; wasteland will be everywhere. However, in my limited experience, vet is the real acceleration. Drs was just too good to *not* play. Doran makes birds marginally better for me.

Some other ideas for those 3 slots:
1) crop rotation + utility lands
2) sfm + jitte (I feel like it could be really good)
3) lingering souls
4) garruk relentless/pws
5) thoughtseize

[Brael]

No birds or Jitte for me. Bird is pretty damn lackluster. Ramp wasn't necessarily why I ran DRS. Not sure what to replace it with though. Might start looking at Quirion Ranger/Scryb Ranger. In which case I might add a singleton BoP.

Unless you have equipment, Noble Hierarch (even when it's only tapping for colorless) is much better than Birds.

[Mr. Safety]

Unless you have equipment, Noble Hierarch (even when it's only tapping for colorless) is much better than Birds.

Black mana is pretty important, I'm pretty sure that offsets the combat bonus of noble, or at least is a consideration when playing junk colors.

Upon further reflection, I'm going to play 1x thoughtseize, 1x garruk relentless, and cut to 60 cards in the 3 deathrite slots.

[Brael]

Black mana is pretty important, I'm pretty sure that offsets the combat bonus of noble, or at least is a consideration when playing junk colors.

Upon further reflection, I'm going to play 1x thoughtseize, 1x garruk relentless, and cut to 60 cards in the 3 deathrite slots.

Going down on mana sources and up on curve will make your deck run worse.

Edit: Here's my first shot at a GB build post DRS (though I'm thinking 3 colors are probably better right now)

Land (23)

2x Bayou
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Dryad Arbor
5x Forest
1x Karakas
4x Misty Rainforest
2x Phyrexian Tower
2x Swamp
4x Verdant Catacombs
1x Volrath's Stronghold

Instant (6)

2x Abrupt Decay
2x Crop Rotation
2x Diabolic Edict

Creature (19)

1x Chameleon Colossus
4x Dark Confidant
1x Eternal Witness
1x Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1x Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip
1x Runic Armasaur
2x Sakura-Tribe Elder
4x Tireless Tracker
4x Veteran Explorer

Sorcery (11)

4x Cabal Therapy
1x Collective Brutality
4x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Maelstrom Pulse
1x Toxic Deluge

Enchantment (1)

1x Pernicious Deed

Sideboard (15)

1x Carpet of Flowers
1x Crop Rotation
2x Noble Hierarch
1x Duress
1x Golgari Charm
3x Lost Legacy
1x Pulse of Murasa
1x Reclamation Sage
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Surgical Extraction
1x Sylvan Library
1x Toxic Deluge

[Ihavethefire]

With DRS gone could it be good to go back to playing a recurring nightmare build?

[Ralf]

With DRS gone could it be good to go back to playing a recurring nightmare build?

Yes. POD as well.

[Brael]

Yes. POD as well.

I don't know about Pod, but definitely on Recurring Nightmare.

[Memories of the Time]

Yes. POD as well.

If the number of K.Command goes down as well, yep

[Mr. Safety]

If the number of K.Command goes down as well, yep

It won't. Pile will drop green, not red. Green was the smallest splash in grixis delver and pile. Just getting snapcaster back attached to a removal spell is still amazing.

[Gruby]

Black mana is pretty important, I'm pretty sure that offsets the combat bonus of noble, or at least is a consideration when playing junk colors.

Upon further reflection, I'm going to play 1x thoughtseize, 1x garruk relentless, and cut to 60 cards in the 3 deathrite slots.

Maybe BoP + Doran ;) And he blocks Marit Lage ;)

My first try will be probably adding discard in place of DRS.

[Mr. Safety]

Maybe BoP + Doran ;) And he blocks Marit Lage ;)

My first try will be probably adding discard in place of DRS.

Exactly. You read my mind.

[Brael]

It won't. Pile will drop green, not red. Green was the smallest splash in grixis delver and pile. Just getting snapcaster back attached to a removal spell is still amazing.

I disagree, Tarmogoyf was out because of DRS, and absent DRS, Goyf is the most efficient creature you can commit to the board.

Even if you are in the colors to run Kolaghans, the numbers are unlikely to go up by much. But without DRS's easy mana, far fewer decks will be in BR.

[Mr. Safety]

I disagree, Tarmogoyf was out because of DRS, and absent DRS, Goyf is the most efficient creature you can commit to the board.

Even if you are in the colors to run Kolaghans, the numbers are unlikely to go up by much. But without DRS's easy mana, far fewer decks will be in BR.

I was reading the Czech pile thread and the sentiment currently is to switch to grixis. Sultai control is a thing, but some on that thread are saying red is more important.

Goyf doesn't get good all of a sudden overnight. It fights for space against tnn, a much better creature. Grave hate will be less prevalent maindeck but stronger out of the board. Goyf is still probably not the best option in legacy, no matter how much of a bromance I have with the card. We'll see.