White Aggro

[Calado]

So, I want to update my white weenie (which was standart at 8th edition) to a stronger version. It's a non-competitive deck, which plays in a aggro infested meta.
Here is the current list:
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4 Tundra Wolves
4 Deftblade Elite
4 Auriok Glaivemaster
4 Auriok Steelshaper
4 Silver Knight
4 Leonin Skyhunter

4 Glorious Anthem
4 Raise the Alarm
4 Disenchant
4 Bonesplitter
2 Wing Shards

18 plains

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Aggro matchups usually stall and the bigger critters tend to break the equilibrium. So I'm choosing to upgrade. I thought about 2 options:

1) Replace the soldiers with better scaling creatures and add quest pack searching for argentum armor

Benalish Marshal
Jazal Goldmane
Odric, Master Tactician
Knight of the White Orchid
Quest for the Holy Relic
1 Argentum Armor
Swords to Plowshares


2) Angels (Like Angel Stompy, but replacing Chalice and Trinisphere with mana acceleration for budget purposes, allowing a T2/3 big angel):

Sol Ring
Gold Myr
Gisela, the Broken Blade
Angel of invention
Sublime Archangel
Shalai, Voice of Plenty


3) Forget about pure aggro white and move on to other color

Ideas?

[Ahab]

Option 1 is probably better that option 2, as the angel deck would play a lot of cards that are not important and place too much importance on single, unprotected critters. A single Swords to Plowshares would be a blowout.

What about Crusade in place of Glorious Anthem?

I would replace the Tundra Wolves with stronger 1-drops, like Mother of Runes, Isamaru, maybe even Dauntless Bodyguard.

You play 8 cards that care about equipment but only 4 bonesplitter, maybe add some Umezawa's Jitte (the best combat equipment)?

The classic White Weenie strategy back in the day was creatures into Armageddon, but maybe this is too "unfun" for your meta?

[Calado]

Option 1 is probably better that option 2, as the angel deck would play a lot of cards that are not important and place too much importance on single, unprotected critters. A single Swords to Plowshares would be a blowout.

What about Crusade in place of Glorious Anthem?

I would replace the Tundra Wolves with stronger 1-drops, like Mother of Runes, Isamaru, maybe even Dauntless Bodyguard.

You play 8 cards that care about equipment but only 4 bonesplitter, maybe add some Umezawa's Jitte (the best combat equipment)?

The classic White Weenie strategy back in the day was creatures into Armageddon, but maybe this is too "unfun" for your meta?

Actually Armageddon idea is a REALLY fun strategy, I didn't think about it, now I'll buy them.
The only thing that's not fun is playing storm, because they don't have answers.
Tundra wolves was just a lack of money and card availability at the time (2004), there are tons of better 1 drops now, especially Student of Warfare.
About crusade, we have Honor of the Pure now, but I think that creatures like Marshal (less money) and Knight Exemplar put more pressure.

I goldfished both options, and T1 Sol Ring into T2 Gisela seems so strong... But removal really is more distrupting against option 2 without Shalai at board.

[Strawberry Dwarf]

My white aggro:

4 Judge's Familiar
4 Whipcorder
4 Knight of the Holy Nimbus
4 Magus of the Disk
4 Duskrider Peregrine
4 Ivory Giant

4 Beckon Apparition
4 Darksteel Axe
2 Darksteel Pendant
4 Shackles

22 Plains

Card explanations:
Judge's Familiar ... 1 mana drop, flyer, and the only little way to interact with combo maindeck.
Whipcorder ... Help vs fatties, or just 2/2 attacker for 2.
Knight of the Holy Nimbus ... Decent weenie, may survive Magus' reset.
Magus of the Disk ... The key card. Resets the game, ideally just before suspends start entering the battlefield.
Duskrider + Giant ... The backup. Excellent vs pre-ban Miracles control, killing planeswalkers etc.
Beckon Apparition ... Creates 1/1 flyer. Nice vs graveyard strategies (e.g. Dredge, Flashback storm, Reanimation). In Legacy never dead card thanks to opponent's fetchlands.
Darksteel stuff ... Survive Magus. Pendant generates card quality, Axe helps weenies considerably.
Shackles ... Work well with Whipcorder and Giant, reusable after Magus.

[Calado]

I tested online and decided to build the angel version, it seems faster and stronger, with more control. It's possible to build it with only $50!!
Current list, at US$100 with Lotus Petal and Gisela:

16x Plains
4x Remote Farm

4x Angel of Invention
4x Angel of Sanctions
4x Cataclysmic Gearhulk
4x Gisela, the Broken Blade
4x Gold Myr
4x Shalai, Voice of Plenty

4x Lotus Petal
4x Marble Diamond

4x Swords to Plowshares
4x Oblivion Ring

Sideboard

3x Luminarch Ascension
4x Eidolon of Rhetoric
4x Grafdigger's Cage
4x Spirit of the Labyrinth

Cataclysm effect is better than Armageddon for us because is good to regain board control.
So we have 12 removal and 16 accel cards. T3 Gisela into T4 Gearhulk is a strong line of play.
You can trade Gisela and Shalai for Windborn Muse + Blinding Angel for more control and less money...
Possible improvements below $10:

Windborn Muse
Blinding Angel
Magus of the Moat
Resplendent Angel
Archangel of Tithes
Chancellor of the Annex

Matchups

Control: Terrible against heavy control, especially counterspells. We tend to cast 1 spell per turn, which is easy to control. I have to play more against UW control to figure this out.

Aggro: Favourable since we can remove the early threats and gain board control from turn 3 onwards. CaGearhulk is groundbreaking in this matchup.

Combo: Unfavorable. We can't interact with fast spells combo pre-board unless we cast Shalai before they combo out, so the sideboard is dedicated to Burn, Dredge and Storm.
I'm even considering moving Eidolon of Rhetoric to maindeck.

Midrange: We have so many hate cards that this is easy. Angel of Sanctions shines here.

[Strawberry Dwarf]

I would use Guardian Idol over Marble Diamond or Myr. There are enough other white manasources. Also Flagstones of Trokair would work nicely with Cataclysm effect. Not sure about Petal, it may cause some failures due to inconsistent draws. Why not Ancient Tomb?

[Calado]

Why not Ancient Tomb?

Budget... Without this restriction I'd play something like this:


8x plains
4x Savannah
4x Ancient Tomb
4x City of Traitors

4x Chalice of the Void
4x Trinisphere
4x Swords to Plowshares
4x Oblivion Ring
4x Chrome Mox

4x Angel of Sanctions
4x Angel of Jubilation / Resplendant Angel
4x Cataclysmic Gearhulk
4x Shalai, Voice of Plenty
2x Avacyn, Angel of Hope
2x Blazing Archon / Magus of the Moat

[Strawberry Dwarf]

How do you define "budget"? Ancient Tomb is mere uncommon, but no problem with mythic rares? No problem with Petal's prize?

[FTW]

There are a lot of strong white casual aggro creatures getting overlooked here. The latest years have added power creep for the weenie game plan.


//1 drops:
Figure of Destiny
Student of Warfare
Dauntless Bodyguard
Isamaru, Hound of Konda
Mardu Woe-Reaper
Kytheon, Hero of Akros
Skymarcher Aspirant
Soldier of the Pantheon
Doomed Traveler

//2 drops:
Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit
Containment Priest
Elite Inquisitor
Knight of Meadowgrain
Knight of the White Orchid
Precinct Captain
Relic Seeker
Sunhome Stalwart
Seeker of the Way
Veteran Armorer
Armament Master


//3 drops:
Benalish Marshal
Resplendent Angel
Boros Reckoner
Brightling
Brimaz, King of Oreskos
Frontline Medic
Wilt-Leaf Cavaliers
Mirran Crusader



Also run 4 Honor of the Pure before ever considering Crusade or Glorious Anthem. If 4 Anthems isn't enough, your next choice should be Spear of Heliod (or Intangible Virtue if you switch to token aggro).


If your playgroup allows 4 Sol Ring, then I strongly recommend the Angel Stompy route with 4 Armageddon. Any Angel + mana rock + Geddon = GG basically. If your playgroup finds it unfun to play against, then you may need to cut the geddons for fairer stuff.

[Calado]

How do you define "budget"? Ancient Tomb is mere uncommon, but no problem with mythic rares? No problem with Petal's prize?

Just to explain this, the Lotus Petals I already had them from my storm deck. I spent about $50 to build this deck, with Gisela being the most expensive at $5 each...
I had to forget about a lot of good angels because of the price.
Sol ring didn't make the cut either by not being legacy legal. It's too OP btw.