4 Card Blind

[Asthereal]

There are quite a few disagreements still in the doc, but it doesn't look like they will influence bannings anymore.

So far, it looks like these are out:
Badlands
Death's Shadow
Forge Devil
Fume Spitter
Mishra's factory
Mogg fanatic
Myr Superion
Reef Shaman
Taiga
Tinder Wall
Underground River
Valki, god of lies

EDIT: A better look at the results posts tells me all disagreements have been resolved now.

[Reeplcheep]

silkster vs Reeplcheep: I think Reeplcheep missed that Fury has double strike and trade with my Myr on turn 5, which is just in time when on the play..

I guess forge devil can only convert to 3 damage before and can’t be played on an empty board. I agree 1-4.

[alphastryk]

Out of curiosity, did you catch them, or was it Asthereal? Were you just playing banned cards?

Asthereal caught me forgetting Dark Depths was banned before things got started

[Asthereal]

Standings for round 5:
1. PJim: 46 - 4,6
2. silkster: 39 - 3,9
3. dte: 35 - 3,5
4. Asthereal (TO): 34 - 3,4
5. Reeplcheep: 30 - 3
6. alphastryk: 26 - 2,6
7. GoblinSmashmaster: 24 - 2,4
8. maxx!: 22 - 2,2
9. RoosterCocoa: 21 - 2,1
10. FTW: 16 - 1,6
11. Wrath of Pie: 11 - 1,1

Leading to these bannings:
Badlands
Death's Shadow
Forge Devil
Fume Spitter
Mishra's factory
Mogg fanatic
Myr Superion
Reef Shaman
Taiga
Tinder Wall
Underground River
Valki, god of lies

And the season standings look as follows:
1. PJim: 20,5
2. dte: 18,2
3. silkster: 17,2
4. Asthereal (TO): 14,1
5. RoosterCocoa: 14
6. FTW: 13,3
7. Reeplcheep: 12,8
8. Wrath of Pie: 12,3
9. alphastryk: 11,8
10. GoblinSmashmaster: 11,5
11. maxx!: 9,6

So PJim wins another round and is starting to build up a lead, dte and silk following with strong performances as well.
The big pack behind the top 3 is lead by me, with Rooster just a tenth of a point behind me.

[Asthereal]

ROUND 6 OF SEASON 11: LEGACY CREATURES & LANDS BANNATHON has started.

I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 6, so you can start sending me your decks.

DEADLINE: Wednesday the 15th of December at 11:00AM Central European Time.
(That's my time zone. Pacific Time it'll probably be something like Tuesday night a bit past midnight, so keep that in mind.)

PLEASE NOTE:
The way you send your deck to me matters. Please send it in the way described below, so it doesn't cost me an hour of editing before I can post all the decks.
Please send your deck as follows: Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Quicksand, Daughti Slayer, Black Knight.
So with card tags around each card, and not above eachother, and with your Username and 4CB S11R06 in the topic.
Don't forget to keep an eye on the banned list. You'll find it in the second post of the thread, or in our Google Spreadsheet.

After the deadline has passed, I will post all decks on the forum here, and you can start puzzling out your scores.
If you have any questions, please read the first two posts of this thread first. If you can't find the answer there, drop a message here. We'll answer a.s.a.p.

Happy deckbuilding!

[Wrath of Pie]

Back in my natural habitat of eighth place.

[Asthereal]

Back in my natural habitat of eighth place.

Just half a season point of margin both up and down, so you're not very secure there.

[Asthereal]

Deadline has passed, and we're nearly complete. Only maxx! hasn't sent an entry yet. I'll give you a bit more time while I do work stuff.

I have to say I'm enjoying this season a lot more than the last one.
The rules and limitations are clear every round and we got super diverse metas every round so far.
Do you guys think it might be an option to keep this season going for 15 rounds rather than the planned 12?

[FTW]

The card pool is quite deep. I'm happy to go to 15 rounds so we can explore more fringe interactions.

[dte]

The card pool is quite deep. I'm happy to go to 15 rounds so we can explore more fringe interactions.

Idem

[Asthereal]

I have to say I'm enjoying this season a lot more than the last one.
The rules and limitations are clear every round and we got super diverse metas every round so far.
Do you guys think it might be an option to keep this season going for 15 rounds rather than the planned 12?

Three in favour already.

I'll give more people the chance to object or support the idea before I decide.
But I'll make sure to decide before the start of round 7, so everybody knows well in advance.

[PJim]

While it has been interesting and varied, I'd be a touch worried that things might be less so later on, particularly once our multi-mana sources become more limited. What's the best one/two-drop left would be a much less interesting game than the one we have at the moment.

[alphastryk]

While it has been interesting and varied, I'd be a touch worried that things might be less so later on, particularly once our multi-mana sources become more limited. What's the best one/two-drop left would be a much less interesting game than the one we have at the moment.

I think with various storage & sac lands & bounce lands there should be more than enough lands to go bigger even in 15 rounds given how many remain unbanned now.

I'm in for 15 rounds

[FTW]

While it has been interesting and varied, I'd be a touch worried that things might be less so later on, particularly once our multi-mana sources become more limited. What's the best one/two-drop left would be a much less interesting game than the one we have at the moment.

I have the opposite sentiment. Once the turn 1 land destruction is banned, there are a lot more options for higher CMC strategies. The early rounds have been limited to Turn 1-2 decks due to the presence of fast mana and LD.

[dte]

I have the opposite sentiment. Once the turn 1 land destruction is banned, there are a lot more options for higher CMC strategies. The early rounds have been limited to Turn 1-2 decks due to the presence of fast mana and LD.

Agree with this. There are no storelands banned - out of 16 playable, and no one dared yet to play a manadork, or a suspend card.

[maxx!]

Deadline has passed, and we're nearly complete. Only maxx! hasn't sent an entry yet. I'll give you a bit more time while I do work stuff.

Sorry. Sent something now (mostly stolen).

I have to say I'm enjoying this season a lot more than the last one.
The rules and limitations are clear every round and we got super diverse metas every round so far.
Do you guys think it might be an option to keep this season going for 15 rounds rather than the planned 12?

15 is fine with me.

[Asthereal]

Six people in favour already. I'll let the others weigh in still. Meantime, let's play some games.


DECKS FOR ROUND 6 OF SEASON 11: Legacy Creatures & Lands Bannathon

1. Asthereal (TO): Sandstone Needle, Swamp, Fulminator Mage, Rotting Regisaur
2. dte: Endurance, Hickory woodlot, Urza's saga, Ramunap excavator
3. PJim: Creeping Tar Pit, Dreadship Reef, Tide Shaper, Murderous Rider
4. Reeplcheep: Grist, The Hunger Tide, Arboreal Grazer, Lair of the Hydra, Golgari Rot Farm
5. Wrath of Pie: Cathedral of War, Inkmoth Nexus, Mana Confluence, Granger Guildmage
6. silkster: Hickory Woodlot, Mayor of Avabruck, Golgari Guildmage, Grief
7. RoosterCocoa: Undiscovered Paradise, Old-Growth Dryads, Fanatical Firebrand, Law-Rune Enforcer
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Mercadian Bazaar, Fury, Squee, the Immortal, Bonecrusher Giant
9. FTW: SWAMP, Inkmoth Nexus, Fanatical Firebrand, Mesmeric Fiend
10. alphastryk: Icatian Store, Dust Bowl, Rogue's Passage, Windborn Muse
11. maxx!: Inkmoth Nexus, Molten Slagheap, Bonecrusher Giant, Murderous Rider

Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
I'll create a tab for the round in our Google Spreadsheet, so you can enter your scores there as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing


EDIT: FTW sent Badlands in, which was banned, which we both missed. FTW chose to replace it with Swamp.

[GoblinSmashmaster]

GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Adventure"

1. Asthereal (TO): Sandstone Needle, Swamp, Fulminator Mage, Rotting Regisaur
Dino smash :( 0-6

2. dte: Endurance, Hickory woodlot, Urza's saga, Ramunap excavator
Goblin math??

3. PJim: Creeping Tar Pit, Dreadship Reef, Tide Shaper, Murderous Rider
Goblin smash! 6-0

4. Reeplcheep: Grist, The Hunger Tide, Arboreal Grazer, Lair of the Hydra, Golgari Rot Farm
Goblin smash! 6-0

5. Wrath of Pie: Cathedral of War, Inkmoth Nexus, Mana Confluence, Granger Guildmage
Goblin smash! 6-0

6. silkster: Hickory Woodlot, Mayor of Avabruck, Golgari Guildmage, Grief
Good grief :( 0-6

7. RoosterCocoa: Undiscovered Paradise, Old-Growth Dryads, Fanatical Firebrand, Law-Rune Enforcer
Goblin smash! 6-0

8. GoblinSmashmaster: Mercadian Bazaar, Fury, Squee, the Immortal, Bonecrusher Giant
That's me, smashing with better Goblins!

9. FTW: Badlands, Inkmoth Nexus, Fanatical Firebrand, Mesmeric Fiend
Goblin smash! 6-0

10. alphastryk: Icatian Store, Dust Bowl, Rogue's Passage, Windborn Muse
Goblin smash! 4-1

11. maxx!: Inkmoth Nexus, Molten Slagheap, Bonecrusher Giant, Murderous Rider
Goblin math??

Total: 34 points

[Reeplcheep]

4. Reeplcheep: Grist, The Hunger Tide, Arboreal Grazer, Lair of the Hydra, Golgari Rot Farm

I thought with magus gone I could try a slower grist deck.

1. Asthereal (TO): Sandstone Needle, Swamp, Fulminator Mage, Rotting Regisaur
WL 3-3

2. dte: Endurance, Hickory woodlot, Urza's saga, Ramunap excavator
Recursive removal vs recursive threats. I think I win this one since endurance can’t recur itself without exiling your ramunap. Also drawing your tap lands slows you down. WW 6-0
Edit: apparently 4-1?

3. PJim: Creeping Tar Pit, Dreadship Reef, Tide Shaper, Murderous Rider
LL 0-6

5. Wrath of Pie: Cathedral of War, Inkmoth Nexus, Mana Confluence, Granger Guildmage
My clock is faster than 8 turns I think. WW 6-0

6. silkster: Hickory Woodlot, Mayor of Avabruck, Golgari Guildmage, Grief
LL 0-6

7. RoosterCocoa: Undiscovered Paradise, Old-Growth Dryads, Fanatical Firebrand, Law-Rune Enforcer
WL I think?
WW 6-0 per PJim.

8. GoblinSmashmaster: Mercadian Bazaar, Fury, Squee, the Immortal, Bonecrusher Giant
Fury grist, stabilize vs my 2 1/1s. Not respecting the LD it seems LL 0-6

9. FTW: Badlands, Inkmoth Nexus, Fanatical Firebrand, Mesmeric Fiend
WL 3-3

10. alphastryk: Icatian Store, Dust Bowl, Rogue's Passage, Windborn Muse
Kill your muse, kill my arbor, “ultimate” you 20 times. WW 6-0

11. maxx!: Inkmoth Nexus, Molten Slagheap, Bonecrusher Giant, Murderous Rider
LL 0-6
Apparently I'm too fast for your removal OTP. WL 3-3

Didn’t do the math too in-depth, I could easily be wrong.
10 W 1D 9L for 31/60

[FTW]

8. GoblinSmashmaster: Mercadian Bazaar, Fury, Squee, the Immortal, Bonecrusher Giant
That's me, smashing with better Goblins!

10. alphastryk: Icatian Store, Dust Bowl, Rogue's Passage, Windborn Muse
Goblin smash! 4-1

Maybe you were looking at 3-mana Giant vs 3-mana Dust Bowl storage land race, but because of the 3rd land alpha can Dust Bowl you 1 turn before Giant even when you go first. So you never get to cast Giant. Fury kills Muse to draw.
DD 2-2

8. GoblinSmashmaster: Mercadian Bazaar, Fury, Squee, the Immortal, Bonecrusher Giant
11. maxx!: Inkmoth Nexus, Molten Slagheap, Bonecrusher Giant, Murderous Rider
Goblin math??

Attacking with Inkmoth early is a bad idea, since exposing it to Stomp loses the land, and Bazaar can stay untapped and add counters at EOT. Better to maximize the charge counters and only attack with Inkmoth after.
Adding counters every turn, maxx! has T4 Giant -> T7 murder -> T10 Rider -> T11 start attacking with Inkmoth

If Goblin goes T5 Giant & evoke Fury -> T9 Squee, then maxx kills Giant, stabilizes against Squee at 8 life, and wins with Inkmoth
If Goblin instead ramps to T7 Fury -> T11 Giant, it still stops maxx's attacks in time. But then Rider suicides into Giant -> T13 Swift End kills it in time -> T16 Rider stabilizes against T15 Squee -> Inkmoth wins
If Goblin plays T5 evoke Fury & Squee -> T7 Rider stabilizes against Squee -> T9 Giant tries to beat Rider -> Rider can suicide -> T10 Swift End kills Giant -> T13 Rider stabilizes against Squee -> Inkmoth wins

I think maxx wins all versions by going proactive. Giant is forced to attack into Murderous Rider, otherwise maxx! gains tempo building up charge counters and can eventually start flying over with Inkmoth.
LL 0-6

GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Adventure"
2. dte: Endurance, Hickory woodlot, Urza's saga, Ramunap excavator
Goblin math??

Fury stops the 1st Excavator (must be evoked because T7 hardcast is too slow). T4 Endurance resets very slowly, but is enough to trade with 4/3 Giant, stalling until T8 Ramunap recovers.
LL 0-6