Asthereal's scores for the final round:
1. Asthereal (TO): Great Furnace, Goblin Welder, Insolent Neonate, Noxious Gearhulk <-me
2. Reeplcheep: Glint Hawk, Ancient Den, Glint Hawk, Glint Hawk WW
3. alphastryk: Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Desert, Dauthi Slayer, Black Knight WW
4. Nasst: Den of the Bugbear, Molten Slagheap, Fanatical Firebrand, Inferno Titan LL
5. dte: miasmic mummy, Liliana's Steward, Tomb of Urami, Molten Slagheap WW
6. GoblinSmashmaster: Havenwood Battleground, Mountain, Fanatical Firebrand, Anurid Scavenger LL
7. Wrath of Pie: Den of the Bugbear, Mercadian Bazaar, Fanatical Firebrand, Inferno Titan LL
8. FTW: Celestial Colonnade, Calciform Pools, Beloved Chaplain, Banisher Priest edit: WW
9. RoosterCocoa: Swamp, Blinkmoth Nexus, Guul Draz Assassin, Pilfering Imp WL
10. silkster: Teferi's Isle, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Lake of the Dead, Trench Behemoth WW
11. maxx!: Overgrown Tomb, Quirion Ranger, Miasmic Mummy, Scourge of Nel Toth WW
Total: 39 points
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@Asthereal, you should WW vs FTW - funnily enough, this last round might be the one that would ban both Welder and firebrand...
Do I? I saw FTWs anaysis and didn't really see another line.Originally Posted by dte
EDIT:
Right. I guess I can EOT make Gearhulk and keep Welder up in order to make Gearhulk disappear in response to the exiling.
This looks quite good indeed. I'll edit my result (unless FTW finds another line we're both missing).
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Standings for the final round, assuming everything is correct now:
1. dte: 41 - 4,1
2. Asthereal (TO): 39 - 3,9
3. Reeplcheep: 38 - 3,8
4. GoblinSmashmaster: 36 - 3,6
5. Nasst: 32 - 3,2
5. FTW: 32 - 3,2
7. RoosterCocoa: 31 - 3,1
8. Wrath of Pie: 29 - 2,9
9. silkster: 24 - 2,4
10. maxx!: 18 - 1,8
11. alphastryk: 6 - 0,6
Which leads to these final standings for the season:
1. dte: 58,1
2. PJim: 52,1
3. silkster: 49,9
4. Asthereal (TO): 45,9
5. FTW: 41,4
6. GoblinSmashmaster: 40
7. Reeplcheep: 39,8
8. maxx!: 39,4
9. RoosterCocoa: 38,3
10. Wrath of Pie: 35,2
11. alphastryk: 28,8
12. Nasst: 20,8
So dte picks up another title, as PJim had little time these last rounds, and had to forfeit the final one.
But not only did PJim score impressively this season, so did our newest competitor Nasst.
If I calculate Nasst's average scores and apply them to a full season, we would have a different winner.
Looks like the next season will be an interesting one!
For the record, here's the last cards to be added to the banned list:
Ancient Den
Glint Hawk
Goblin Welder
Great Furnace
Insolent Neonate
Liliana's Steward
Miasmic mummy
Molten Slagheap
Noxious Gearhulk
Tomb of Urami
For next season, silk has helpfully created a google sheet where you can enter your preferences for the starting banned list.
You can find the doc here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
Please vote there, if you haven't already. I'll check it and try to make a starting banned list that suits the wishes of most of you.
We'll be playing a similar season to season 11, except that rather than creature cards only being allowed, creature cards this time along will NOT be allowed.
It will be allowed to use sorceries and the like to create creature tokens, but the card type "creature" is NOT allowed. And of course we'll run a bannathon.
I would also like to point out that the next season is likely to be the last one I organize.
Things are developing at my chess club, and it's more and more likely that I'll take over organizational duties for the competition there.
This will leave me with (even) less time, so I'll have to cut another activity. And the most sensible one to cut looks to be 4CB.
But that's something we don't have to worry about at this moment. Season 12 is still up, and I'll still run it. I just wanted to give you guys a heads up.
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So far the vote is split bang in the middle between people wanting to play Vintage and people wanting to play Legacy.
Need more votes!
Vote here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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I will probably play just a few rounds, regardless of what is chosen,
but I do have an intermediate idea, loosely inspired by Peasant:
There is a list of luxury cards ; perhaps those which you
were evenly split on whether they should be banned.
Decks can't have more than 1 luxury card - even if those are the same card -
and for each match in which exactly 1 deck has a luxury card,
that player pays the other player a 1-point luxury tax.
In particular, when exactly 1 deck has a luxury card,
3-3 becomes 4-2 or 2-4, 2-2 becomes 3-1 or 1-3, 1-4
becomes 2-3 or 0-5, and 0-6 becomes 1-5 or -1 - 7 .
If you want to avoid negative scores, you could exclude 0-6 and 6-0
results from the luxury tax, or add 1 to everything so that the
possible scores _before_ the tax become 1-7 , 2-5 , 3-3 , 4-4 , 5-2 , 7-1 .
("even if those are the same card" is to hopefully be
clear that, if X is a luxury card and neither Y nor Z
are luxury cards, then X X Y Z is _not_ a legal deck.)
I've allowed a bit of time for people to vote, and behold: we're not deadlocked in 50/50 Legacy vs. Vintage anymore.
It's now +1 for Vintage. As we got one more vote in after my remark that we were stuck. Eh, it's something.
So prepare yourself for a 15 round season of Vintage CREATURELESS Bannathon.
I'll compose a starting banned list based on the preferences fromthe voting doc. Stay tuned for more info.
PS. Phasmoid's idea could work, but it requires that: work. So I think I'll keep it simple. The Bannathon should solve any serious issues anyway.
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Right folks, I've decided upon our starting banned list, using silk's helpful thingy.
We're going to be playing Vintage, so there will be powerful stuff.
Out are all weird stupid things, like usual.
Furthermore, these cards will be out at the start of the season:
Balance
Blackmail
Boseiju Who Endures
Burning Inquiry
Cabal Therapy
Duress
Elixir of Immortality
Ghost Quarter
Jace, Wielder of Mysteries
Oko, Thief of Crowns
Shrieking Affliction
Strip Mine
The Rack
Thoughtseize
Wasteland
Stay tuned for the launch of the season. I'm hoping to get it going within a few days.
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Great to see that Jace made the list :)
Small question, will it be legal to play several Black lotus?
Spoiling all the tech
I was sick these last days, so I didn't make any progress here.
Good thing I didn't, because we might want to decide on sticking to the restricted list from competitive Vintage.
Who would be in favor & who is against using the restricted list from Vintage to decide whether we get to play multiples of a card?
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I am for no restrictions. I would have banned lotus, but if ee can play it, let's be able to play two :)
Agreed!
Same. With restrictions, you cannot Copy Artifact Black Lotus since it would be in the graveyard, but you can with 2 copies!
Three votes for no restrictions, and no one else seems to care. Or everybody is busy. Let's go with no restrictions.
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Was busy but my vote is also no restrictions. Thats what I already blindly assumed in my banned list voting and my deck ideasThree votes for no restrictions, and no one else seems to care. Or everybody is busy. Let's go with no restrictions.
No restrictions
No restrictions it is. And I'm ready, so let's get this show on the road.
4 CARD BLIND - SEASON 12 - VINTAGE CREATURELESS BANNATHON
This season, we play 15 rounds of Vintage Creatureless Bannathon. We will start with a modest banned list, and each round we'll add all decks that score 3 season points or more to the banned list.
Basic lands are excluded from these bannings, but other than cards from decks that scored 3+ season points will be added to the banned list every round.
Creatureless means the following: your deck may not contain Creature Cards. This is judged by whether it says "Creature" on the card in the card type bar.
When the card text itself explicitly says it is to be considered a creature card, it is also considered a Creature Card for this season, as with for example the card Grist, the Hunger Tide.
Cards that are not Creature Cards, but can become a creature by some effect, or can creature creature tokens or sorts, will be legal unless banned for other reasons.
NOTE: There are no restrictions on the number of copies of individual cards you're allowed to play. If a card is legal, you can play multiples. Enjoy your twin Lotus deck while it lasts.
For this season, we again stick to the scoring system from previous seasons:
All players score season points for all rounds they play. Season points for each round equal total points scored for the round, divided by the number of opponents in that round.
The tournament organizer will make calculations (or have Google Spreadsheet figure that stuff out) and keep track of standings below. Note: season points are always rounded to one decimal.
Our starting banned list looks as follows:
- All Creature Cards
- All cards that reference "Ante" http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Se...%20ante.%22%5d
- All cards that have card type "conspiracy" http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Se...nspiracy%22%5d
- All cards from the sets Unglued, Unhinged, Unstable and future "Un"-sets
- All cards that require physical dexterity to use
- All cards that create subgames within the ongoing game of Magic
- Schemes, Planes, Contraptions, and other cards that were never printed as playables in competitive Magic.
And these individual cards:
Balance
Blackmail
Boseiju Who Endures
Burning Inquiry
Cabal Therapy
Duress
Elixir of Immortality
Ghost Quarter
Jace, Wielder of Mysteries
Oko, Thief of Crowns
Shrieking Affliction
Strip Mine
The Rack
Thoughtseize
Wasteland
ROUND 1 OF SEASON 12: VINTAGE CREATURELESS BANNATHON has started.
I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 1, so you can start sending me your decks.
DEADLINE: Wednesday the 30th of March at 11:00AM Central European Time.
(That's my time zone. Pacific Time it'll probably be something like Tuesday night a bit past midnight, so keep that in mind.)
PLEASE NOTE:
The way you send your deck to me matters. Please send it in the way described below, so it doesn't cost me an hour of editing before I can post all the decks.
Please send your deck as follows: Mountain, Plains, Forest, Shivan Gorge.
So with card tags around each card, and not above eachother, and with your Username and 4CB S12R01 in the topic.
Don't forget to keep an eye on the banned list. You'll find it in the second post of the thread, or in our Google Spreadsheet.
After the deadline has passed, I will post all decks on the forum here, and you can start puzzling out your scores.
If you have any questions, please read the first two posts of this thread first. If you can't find the answer there, drop a message here. We'll answer a.s.a.p.
Happy deckbuilding!
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Hyped to see what everyone came up with! I really think I didn't crack the "most broken build"
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