4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons

[GoblinSmashmaster]

Then next round we have to LL to whatever Goblin deck LL to Thoughtseize Mayor (or possibly something weaker than that)

Hey! :(

[GoblinSmashmaster]

GoblinSmashmaster Results for "Round 3: Turn 2"

GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Chancellor of the Forge, Pyrokinesis, Leyline of the Meek, comment: Meek goblins
That's me still on Goblins! :)

dte: Saprazzan Skerry, Saprazzan Skerry, Subtlety, Thassa's Oracle, comment:
Thassa :( 0-6

Silkster: Plains, Strip Mine, March of Otherworldly Light, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: no Lotuses please
Goblins smash! 6-0

Asthereal: Savannah, Selesnya Sanctuary, Steppe Lynx, Fastbond, comment: Too early for supercat?
Goblins smash! 6-0

Reeplcheep: Chancellor of the Annex, Memnite, Force of Virtue, Rograkh, Son of Rohgahh, comment: Cheerios
Goblins smash! 6-0

FTW: Strip Mine, Black Lotus, Bitterblossom, Kitesail Freebooter, comment: Subtlety is out the window
Bitterblossom :( 0-6

Wrath of Pie: Black Lotus, Strip Mine, Elspeth, Knight-Errant, Desert, comment: Pithing Needle was too good
Goblins smash! 6-0

24 goblin points!!!

[Wrath of Pie]

Wrath of Pie: Black Lotus, Strip Mine, Elspeth, Knight-Errant, Desert, comment: Pithing Needle was too good

GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Chancellor of the Forge, Pyrokinesis, Leyline of the Meek, comment: Meek goblins - LL
dte: Saprazzan Skerry, Saprazzan Skerry, Subtlety, Thassa's Oracle, comment: - LL - Should have just played two Strip Mines.
Silkster: Plains, Strip Mine, March of Otherworldly Light, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: no Lotuses please - WW
Reeplcheep: Chancellor of the Annex, Memnite, Force of Virtue, Rograkh, Son of Rohgahh, comment: Cheerios - WW
FTW: Strip Mine, Black Lotus, Bitterblossom, Kitesail Freebooter, comment: Subtlety is out the window - WL
Asthereal: Savannah, Selesnya Sanctuary, Steppe Lynx, Fastbond, comment: Too early for supercat? - WW - Supercats hate Strip Mine.

7w = 21 points

I got to play Elspeth in a real round, so that was good.

[Reeplcheep]

Reeplcheep: Chancellor of the Annex, Memnite, Force of Virtue, Rograkh, Son of Rohgahh, comment: Cheerios
I thought ignoring chancellor/strip mine could excuse a terrible deck.

Wrath of Pie: Black Lotus, Strip Mine, Elspeth, Knight-Errant, Desert, comment: Pithing Needle was too good LL
GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Chancellor of the Forge, Pyrokinesis, Leyline of the Meek, comment: Meek goblins - I sacrificed power for evasion LL
dte: Saprazzan Skerry, Saprazzan Skerry, Subtlety, Thassa's Oracle, comment: Hey, a good deck, that’s unfair! - LL
Silkster: Plains, Strip Mine, March of Otherworldly Light, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: no Lotuses please - 1/2 Beats 1/1 WW
FTW: Strip Mine, Black Lotus, Bitterblossom, Kitesail Freebooter, comment: Subtlety is out the window - LL
Asthereal: Savannah, Selesnya Sanctuary, Steppe Lynx, Fastbond, comment: Too early for supercat? - chancellor takes fast bond and win the race. WW

4W 0D 8L =12 points

[Asthereal]

Asthereal's scores confirmed. I indeed race dte OTP and the rest just screws up my Supercat plan.
I guess it indeed was too early still for the Supercat. No raegrets tho.

Does that mean the Supercat becomes the next ceiling deck? Plz?

[FTW]

Does that mean the Supercat becomes the next ceiling deck? Plz?

Banned list =
Strip Mine
Chancellor of the Annex
Force of Will
Thoughtseize
Trinisphere
...

This should be interesting.

[dte]

Banned list =
Strip Mine
Chancellor of the Annex
Force of Will
Thoughtseize
Trinisphere
...

This should be interesting.

I see only strip mine and FoW (assuming a pitch) as banned.
The others would be playable.

[Wrath of Pie]

Banned list =
Strip Mine
Chancellor of the Annex
Force of Will
Thoughtseize
Trinisphere
...

This should be interesting.

Trinisphere is technically still playable with storage lands.

[FTW]

True, I suppose the others are technically playable... but not playable as normally intended. There has to be a self-induced handicap. Either way, it means a powering down of the format and no need for forced bans.

[silkster]

My apologies to Asthereal (and also everyone else) for my mixup. I just wanted to make my posts and not dwell on how close I was to an actual winning deck. I was so sure this time that people would just jam Thassa's Oracle, and ironically I still lost to the deck that I was targeting.

There has been no discussion of a banlist independent from the ceiling deck. I had thought that it would be my goblin+March deck, and I came to this thread ready to defend myself from playful accusations that I intentionally submitted a terrible deck just to make the ceiling lower. In any case, things are moving, decks are changing, so there's probably no need for a ban-list at the moment. I think we might as well see where this goes, and if people decide that they're sick of Lotus, Strip Mine, Oracle (and its maniacal replacement), then we can do this season over again either in Legacy or with a short perma-banlist.

The ceiling deck for the next round is: Savannah, Selesnya Sanctuary, Steppe Lynx, Fastbond.
(Which means that these 4 cards are banned next round.)

There haven't been as many illegal decks as I expected. I was using the back-build season as a comparison where decks were legal based on winning against something, but those decks were so bad and used so many overly complicated cards. I'll confirm my deck some time on Sunday or Monday and then check legality of submitted decks. Feel free to submit and resubmit whenever.

[silkster]

If you don't get a pm in the next five minutes or so, then your deck looks legal to me.

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[silkster]

It looks like all the submissions are in. One deck that I thought was illegal got fixed in a way that I'm happy about. It's a close calculation, so hopefully I didn't mess it up.

I have a unique Tuesday commitment, but I should only be 10 or 20 minutes delayed.

[silkster]

Ceiling Season - Round 4: Savannah, Selesneya Sanctuary, Steppe Lynx, Fastbond

Reeplcheep: Mox Tantalite, Mana Confluence, Angel’s Grace, Thassa’s Oracle, comment: We must go even slower
dte: Black lotus, Show and tell, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Bazaar of Baghdad, comment: T1 emrakul can chumpblock the cat to live another turn. Please do not play TOracle.
Asthereal: Karakas, Simic Growth Chamber, Detention Sphere, Oko, Thief of Crowns, comment:
Wrath of Pie: Undiscovered Paradise, Chronomaton, Spell Snare, Sunlance, comment:
Silkster: Black Lotus, Show and Tell, Hushbringer, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: too many wrong answers so it's time for questions
GoblinSmashmaster: Sacred Foundry, Goblin Lackey, Sunlance, Morophon, the Boundless, comment: Goblin smash -2
FTW: Saprazzan Cove, Thassa's Oracle, Subtlety, Commandeer, comment: FoN too strong

[dte]

Reeplcheep: Mox Tantalite, Mana Confluence, Angel’s Grace, Thassa’s Oracle, comment: We must go even slower
0-6, TO

dte: Black lotus, Show and tell, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Bazaar of Baghdad, comment: T1 emrakul can chumpblock the cat to live another turn. Please do not play TOracle.
Me, chosing the wrong deck this week ;)

Asthereal: Karakas, Simic Growth Chamber, Detention Sphere, Oko, Thief of Crowns, comment:
0-6, karakas.

Wrath of Pie: Undiscovered Paradise, Chronomaton, Spell Snare, Sunlance, comment:
6-0
6

Silkster: Black Lotus, Show and Tell, Hushbringer, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: too many wrong answers so it's time for questions
0-6, I did not plan for the mirror
6

GoblinSmashmaster: Sacred Foundry, Goblin Lackey, Sunlance, Morophon, the Boundless, comment: Goblin smash -2
6-0
12

FTW: Saprazzan Cove, Thassa's Oracle, Subtlety, Commandeer, comment: FoN too strong
0-6, TO. I hesitated with this deck with Teferi's Isle instead of cove. Should have picked it :)

12. Recursive T1 emrakul as next ceiling deck?

[Reeplcheep]

Reeplcheep: Mox Tantalite, Mana Confluence, Angel’s Grace, Thassa’s Oracle, comment: We must go even slower
Just copying Dre’s homework and then tweaking it to beat the mirror.

dte: Black lotus, Show and tell, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Bazaar of Baghdad, comment: T1 emrakul can chumpblock the cat to live another turn. Please do not play TOracle.
Played thoracle WW

Asthereal: Karakas, Simic Growth Chamber, Detention Sphere, Oko, Thief of Crowns, comment:
T3 thoracle WW

Wrath of Pie: Undiscovered Paradise, Chronomaton, Spell Snare, Sunlance, comment:
Snared LL

Silkster: Black Lotus, Show and Tell, Hushbringer, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: too many wrong answers so it's time for questions
Hushed. LL

GoblinSmashmaster: Sacred Foundry, Goblin Lackey, Sunlance, Morophon, the Boundless, comment: Goblin smash -2
Thoracle WW

FTW: Saprazzan Cove, Thassa's Oracle, Subtlety, Commandeer, comment: FoN too strong[
I thought I would be able to ww this one but I didn’t forsee commandeer. DD

6W 2D 4L for 20/36. Better than my previous performances at least.

[silkster]

Reeplcheep: Mox Tantalite, Mana Confluence, Angel’s Grace, Thassa’s Oracle, comment: We must go even slower
WW - Like dte, I was specifically worried about Thassa's Oracle and played around it.

dte: Black lotus, Show and tell, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Bazaar of Baghdad, comment: T1 emrakul can chumpblock the cat to live another turn. Please do not play TOracle.
WW - In my best seasons, our decks overlapped quite a few times, so I take this as a good sign. I was worried about 3 specific cards: Oracle, Chancellor of the Annex, and Force of Negation. I couldn't see how to play around two of them with a single card, but Oracle seemed most important. Here the 1/2 slowly wins the day while we're both too shy to stand up in front of the class.

Asthereal: Karakas, Simic Growth Chamber, Detention Sphere, Oko, Thief of Crowns, comment:
LL - I was kicking myself for a while for not playing It That Betrays instead in order to play around Karakas. It wasn't until the next morning that I realized that Oko can just elk the eldrazi either way. Then I realized that S&T doesn't let you play Oko, but it does let you play Detention Sphere. If I'm going to lose to two different cards, it's a good thing they're in the same deck! Like this prisoner's hat problem.

Wrath of Pie: Undiscovered Paradise, Chronomaton, Spell Snare, Sunlance, comment:
WW - I had spell Snare in one of my lists too.

Silkster: Black Lotus, Show and Tell, Hushbringer, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: too many wrong answers so it's time for questions
Last week I hyperfocused on beating what I thought would be the bogeyman of the round, and then just lost to the variety. Which is a good thing for the format!

GoblinSmashmaster: Sacred Foundry, Goblin Lackey, Sunlance, Morophon, the Boundless, comment: Goblin smash -2
WW - Tentacle smash. I figured Plateau to Sacred Foundry was a good switch to gain legality and probably not going to change anything else. If you had been absent today, I was considering just making the switch for you. It's not the best precedent, but it's such a clean change in this specific case.

FTW: Saprazzan Cove, Thassa's Oracle, Subtlety, Commandeer, comment: FoN too strong
DD - For a moment I was excited that Show and Tell does not care at all about being Commandeered. Then I realized that you just took the Lotus and could then use it to cast Oracle. Then I realized that you need to spend the Oracle and Lotus does not help you cast Saprazzan Cove.
LL - Wrong again! I can beat the Oracle, but Subtlety eventually comes down and attacks me.

24 points.

Black Lotus is definitely a bigger player than I thought it would be before the season started, but I'm enjoying the way that it's constrained. Oracle is also a bigger player than I'd expected. The diversity is still looking pretty good and we haven't gone in any loops. We could ban some cards, but I'd rather play this out and then make a new season with a short banlist. I also think that a specific banlist is probably better than just going down to Legacy because we get such gems as Supercat!

For a moment this week I got lost in the weeds thinking that slow lands into Oracle and slow lands in general could be very popular, and I came up with Dryad Arbor, Lotus, Lotus, Gaea's Liege to disrupt lands but not Fastbond. But at that point I might as well have played Gray Ogre and Stone rain off of Lotuses.

[Reeplcheep]

If DTE ends up as the ceiling deck, I would like clarification if the random shuffle ends up worse for the emrakul owner or the discard owner.

[dte]

If DTE ends up as the ceiling deck, I would like clarification if the random shuffle ends up worse for the emrakul owner or the discard owner.

Emrakul owner is the shuffle effect owner, worse for her/him.

@Silk: I think you LL vs FTW: you can't S&T, FTW can chose between casting TO with subtlety up, or just casting subtlety.

[Reeplcheep]

Emrakul owner is the shuffle effect owner, worse for her/him.

@Silk: I think you LL vs FTW: you can't S&T, FTW can chose between casting TO with subtlety up, or just casting subtlety.

Ok.

Can’t he just put in hushbringer like against me?

[silkster]

Ok.

Can’t he just put in hushbringer like against me?

I can, but then I'll lose later to the Subtlety, I think.

This is actually a question about "full information" that I tried asking many many seasons ago and I don't think I really got an answer. I think that the choices for S&T are made simultaneously, so how does one choose if there's no correct choice? If Emrakul loses to Oracle, Oracle loses to Hushbringer, Hushbringer loses to Subtlety, Subtlety loses to Emrakul, then there's no right choice. But Oracle still beats Hushbringer by casting Subtlety 6 turns later. Also, I think the answer to this question is that the NAP gets to know what the AP chooses for the purposes of 4CB.