[Card discussion] Fire nation occupation

[Tylert]

Hi there,

I'm a little bit obsessed by the card Fire nation occupation.
Did anyone try playing this card in legacy? Only place where I can play it is Historic on MTGA and I find it pretty efficient.

Flash creatures
Control shell
Xerox

What would you pair it with if viable?

Thks for your advice and decklists :p

[Tylert]

I wish this forum wasn't dead :(

[FTW]

I wish this forum wasn't dead :(

Ok, let's try to get some discussion going!

The first card that jumps to mind is Phelia, Exuberant Shepherd. Flash creature triggers it. Blinking it triggers it.

Orcish Bowmasters also has flash.

What do you do with the Firebending mana though? Bilbo, Thief in the Night could cast something from graveyard. But you need a spell that costs at least 3, otherwise Bilbo doesn't need a red (colorless) mana. So that path might not be worth it.

You could more easily use the mana to crack Tamiyo clues or Ninjitsu Kaito.

You could try 2-3 copies in an Esper Riddler deck like this:
https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=92542&d=903011&f=LE
https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=92502&d=902688&f=LE

[Tylert]

Flash creatures that do something at instant speed:

spectral sailor
faerie mastermind


But isn't it winmore? if you're attacking with enough fire warriors to get enough mana for a (nearly) free activation, aren't you winning already?

I was going blue black indeed in my mind, but felia is a great idea to bounce fire nation occupation.

i'll check the lists.

(And thank you, I love this site and i'm disapointed that it's not that lively anymore... hence my reaction)

[FTW]

Yeah, that seems win-more. If you attack with 1-2 tokens, you're already ahead. I like the idea of using the mana on Tamiyo clues. You're already playing Tamiyo and making clues anyway, so you're not forcing some mana-hungry card.

Example: Esper Riddler


//Creatures: 14
3 Tamiyo, Inquisitive Student
4 Phelia, Exuberant Shepherd
4 Orcish Bowmasters
3 Quantum Riddler

//Enchantments: 2
2 Fire Nation Occupation

//Spells: 23
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Consign to Memory
2 Thoughtseize
1 Prismatic Ending
1 Void Rend
1 Force of Negation

//Planeswalkers: 1
1 Kaito, Bane of Nightmares

//Lands: 20
4 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
2 Underground Sea
1 Tundra
1 Meticulous Archive
1 Scrubland
1 Island
1 Plains
1 Swamp
1 Karakas
3 Wasteland

//SB:
2 Rest in Peace
2 Containment Priest
2 Lavinia, Azorius Renegade
2 Wrath of the Skies
1 Force of Negation
1 Consign to Memory
1 Flusterstorm
1 Hydroblast
1 Cling to Dust
1 Null Rod
1 Clarion Conqueror


Something like that should work. You have 8 flash creatures and 16 instants to trigger Fire Nation Occupation, without going out of your way.

If the token isn't blocked, you can even use the R to Ninjitsu Kaito with only UB open! Players will not expect Kaito with 2 untapped lands. They might not block to play around Bowmaster instead.

[PirateKing]

do youthink Teferi, Time Raveler is too cute?

You can bounce the Fire Nation Occupation to replay for another token, the plus turning your Sorceries into opportunities to make another token, seems like it uses every part of the buffalo if you're in Esper colors.

[FTW]

Teferi could work. For curve reasons, there probably isn't room for both Kaito and Teferi, so I could see cutting Kaito + Void Rend for 2 Teferi. But then you also get tokens for Pondering on opponent's end step!

[PirateKing]

Teferi could work. For curve reasons, there probably isn't room for both Kaito and Teferi, so I could see cutting Kaito + Void Rend for 2 Teferi. But then you also get tokens for Pondering on opponent's end step!

Right, that was my thinking, more opportunists to cast on their turn.
You'd have to decide if you want to be a slower control deck that incidentally makes 2/2's as you hamper the opponent, or the aggressive tempo deck that gets under the opponent and maximizes every opportunity.
If you try and do both it'll just be a bad pile of cards.

[Tylert]

List from thraben university going full blue back.
Xerox shell + Tamiyo

Fire Nation occupation by thraben_u


2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Brazen Borrower
4 Consider
4 Endwalker
4 Fatal Push
3 Fire Nation Occupation
4 Force of Will
3 Hullbreacher
2 Island
4 Orcish Bowmasters
4 Polluted Delta
3 Scalding Tarn
2 Sheoldred's Edict
1 Snuff Out
1 Swamp
4 Tamiyo, Inquisitive Student
3 Thoughtseize
2 Undercity Sewers
4 Underground Sea
2 Wan Shi Tong, Librarian
2 Wasteland

SIDEBOARD:
3 Barrowgoyf
3 Consign to Memory
2 Engineered Explosives
3 Force of Negation
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Snuff Out
1 Thoughtseize

[Tylert]

Yeah, that seems win-more. If you attack with 1-2 tokens, you're already ahead. I like the idea of using the mana on Tamiyo clues. You're already playing Tamiyo and making clues anyway, so you're not forcing some mana-hungry card.

Something like that should work. You have 8 flash creatures and 16 instants to trigger Fire Nation Occupation, without going out of your way.

If the token isn't blocked, you can even use the R to Ninjitsu Kaito with only UB open! Players will not expect Kaito with 2 untapped lands. They might not block to play around Bowmaster instead.

Yeah, Tamyio is already a great card without this firebending shenanigans.