[Deck] Jenny from the Block

[Wallace]

Here is my list for Doran, the Siege Tower. It does not use walls for the win, but instead uses creatures with big butts to swing after gaining control of the game.

4 Duress
4 Thoughtseize
4 Vindicate
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Sinkhole

4 Tarmogoyf
4 Dark Confidant
3 Onithopter
3 Phyrexian Walker
3 Doran, the Siege Tower

4 Wasteland
4 Bayou
4 Scrubland
2 Savannah
2 Bloodstained Mire
4 Windswept Heath
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yagamoth
1 Swamp
1 Plains

Cards:

Spells

Duress & Thoughtseize: Duress has been a staple card in Black decks for some time now. The introduction of Thoughtseize gives black decks another weapon. I believe that playing these two cards together just makes them both better. You can now grab 8 cards at will from someone's hand. Combo will have a hard time recovering from this spot discard and control will lose some key cards to these spells. Duress will not be as good against Aggro but you can side them out after game 1.

Vindicate: This was an easy choice, the deck has black and white in it. The perfect fit too, Vindicate is a great removal spell because it can kill almost anything. It will hit that key combo piece and wreck that Tarmogoyf if needed.

Swords to Plowshares: Once again, like vindicate, this card just belongs in just about any deck containing white. Swords will get rid of any creature it can target, permanently!

Sinkhole: This was the last card I added to the deck. I may find something better but for now this will do. Sinkhole provides a great way to slow down any deck. Being able to blow up your opponent’s land nice and you combine this with Wasteland and throw in a Vindicate, lands down!

Creatures:

Doran, the Siege Tower: What can I say, he likes big buts! This is the creatures the whole deck is based around. Doran by himself is a 5/5 for , no to bad. His real strength is the ability to let you play really cheap creatures that, with Doran in play, will be large. His only real drawback is that he is three colors, that or if he gets swordsed you gain zero.

Onithopter & Phyrexian Walker: Not to much to say here. These two creatures are a great fit with Doran, a 0/3 for and a 0/2 flyer for , nuff said. They're like Doran's two little pets barking and barking until he gives the word to attack!!

Dark Confidant: Bob is another no-brainer, this deck really needs a way to draw some extra cards and this guy fits the bill. This deck plays very similar to Dead Guy and we all know how good he is in that deck.

Tarmogoyf: Its a deck right?

Land:

The manabase might need some work but I think it will be ok. Wasteland makes sinkhole better and if you use vindicate as LD... The six fetches make it possible to grab the right combo. of lands to cast Doran and they stabilize the 3 colors. Urborg is nice because it allows you wastelands and savannahs to produce black mana. The on of swamp and plains will help if you need a basic to counter wasteland.

Let me know what ya think about this build.

[Brehn]

I might suggest Cabal Therapy in place of Sinkhole/Duress. First turn Swamp, Ornithopter, 2x Therapy seems hawt.

23 lands with your curve stopping at 3 looks like overkill. Maybe add some Treefolk Harbingers as your deck seems to rely on Doran quite a lot.

[Wallace]

I might suggest Cabal Therapy in place of Sinkhole/Duress. First turn Swamp, Ornithopter, 2x Therapy seems hawt.

23 lands with your curve stopping at 3 looks like overkill. Maybe add some Treefolk Harbingers as your deck seems to rely on Doran quite a lot.

Its 23 land but the 4 wastelands hinder the manabase a little bit plus it is playing 6 fetch lands to grab the 3 colors needed to cast Doran. Therapy may work but it can be to random for what I am trying to do with this deck. I want to hit a card with the spell every time. Duress may wiff once and a while but I think it is the better choice.

[Happy Gilmore]

Wouldn't the treefolk tutor be better than the walker since it is the same P/T and searches for Doran?

[Shriekmaw]

Here is my list for Doran, the Siege Tower. It does not use walls for the win, but instead uses creatures with big butts to swing after gaining control of the game.

4 Duress
4 Thoughtseize
4 Vindicate
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Sinkhole

4 Tarmogoyf
4 Dark Confidant
3 Onithopter
3 Phyrexian Walker
3 Doran, the Siege Tower

4 Wasteland
4 Bayou
4 Scrubland
2 Savannah
2 Bloodstained Mire
4 Windswept Heath
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yagamoth
1 Swamp
1 Plains

I would definitely cut the thoughtseize for now and replace them with cabal therapies. The creatures that you play are very cheap and would make flash backing therapies not a real problem. I like the vindicate and swords in the build for removal. Seems like a very solid deck. I would probably cut 1 land, going to 22. I would like to see more basic lands in the build. Urborg is definitely not needed.

[thefreakaccident]

r u kidding? Thoughtseize is probably the best discard spell to date, being able to get anything without a significant drawback... I don't think you want sinkhole... perhapes run extripate?

[Wallace]

r u kidding? Thoughtseize is probably the best discard spell to date, being able to get anything without a significant drawback... I don't think you want sinkhole... perhapes run extripate?

If anything I would drop duress for Therapy. I don't know about Extirpate, but do agree that I don't really want sinkhole.

[Cavius The Great]

@Sacearuse - Have you considered Yotian Soldier as an additional beater? A 4/4 vigilance for 3 mana ain't too shabby.

[Wallace]

@Sacearuse - Have you considered Yotian Soldier as an additional beater? A 4/4 vigilance for 3 mana ain't too shabby.

I did look at the soldier, while ain't bad I think there are better choices. I really want to play creatures, that by themselves are good. The drops are good as blockers and they sac. therapy, which I will be adding to my new list.

[Cavius The Great]

I did look at the soldier, while ain't bad I think there are better choices. I really want to play creatures, that by themselves are good. The drops are good as blockers and they sac. therapy, which I will be adding to my new list.

Yotian Soldier ain't bad by itself in my opinion. It's a pretty decent blocker as a 1/4. I would maybe pack four and include Birds of Paradise in your build to accelerate it out. That's another thing, your deck has no accelleration. You desperately need BOP in the deck. They also attack as 1/1 flyers with Doran which is another plus.

[FakeSpam]

Birds would also help to smooth out the 3 color requirement of Doran. They aren't bad flashback fodder, and they make wasteland just that much better.

They are much better than phyrexian walker. By far.

[Nightmare]

Birds would also help to smooth out the 3 color requirement of Doran. They aren't bad flashback fodder, and they make wasteland just that much better.

They are much better than phyrexian walker. By far.

In reality, they're better than Ornithopter, while Treefolk Harbringer is better than Walker. Even though seems sexier than , in both cases, the one green mana is well worth the advantages each creature brings to the table.

[Maveric78f]

If you did a bit of testing you would quickly understand that the harbinger if the reason to play Doran.

[Cavius The Great]

With all of the suggestions we've made, this pretty much turns into Maveric's Tarmfolk.

[Wallace]

In reality, they're better than Ornithopter, while Treefolk Harbringer is better than Walker. Even though seems sexier than , in both cases, the one green mana is well worth the advantages each creature brings to the table.

I see where birds will be a big help in this deck. I really want to run one of the drops though. I have a list I am going to be testing over the next couple of weeks. I will see how the birds do, then I will test the Harbringer. The drops provide the chance for a very nice first turn Therapy, Flashback Therapy. I also like the drops because I can play them while still casting other spells. The list I am currently testing looks like this, changes are in bold:

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Thoughtseize
4 Vindicate
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Sinkhole

4 Tarmogoyf
4 Dark Confidant
4 Birds of Paradise
3 Doran, the Siege Tower
3 Onithopter

4 Wasteland
4 Bayou
4 Scrubland
2 Bloodstained Mire
4 Windswept Heath
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Swamp
1 Plains
1 Forest

Removed: 4 Duress, 3 Walker, 2 Savannah, 1 Urborg, tomb of Yawgmoth.

I also have to ask, how does this deck compair to the normal Dead Guy builds you see. Does anyone think this will be any better than Dead Guy or should I just stick to the classic build of the deck.

[DragoFireheart]

Is there a reason you are running thopters over walkers? It's not like thopter is going to stop any of the good flying creatures [Sea Drake for example] and Walker provides a fatter butt.

[Swing4Five]

Unearth might be handy for getting Doran back from an enemy thoughtseize/ any non-swords removal, or any of your Therapy flashback victims.

Harbringer -> tutor for needed Forest dual
Therapy, sac Harbringer -> Flashback Therapy, Unearth Harbringer -> tutor for Doran

or something similar

[gmorakis]

Skyshroud Elite seems like it should work pretty well with Doran. A 3/3 for is pimp, especially since it doesn't completely suck without Doran's presence on the board.

[Cavius The Great]

Vine Dryad might be even better as a 3/3 for free. Yes, free. I also like it a little bit better than Skyshroud Elite since the Elite is a 1/1 like 50% of the time. Trust me, I've tested the card.

[Jaynel]

Or Phyrexian Walker.