What SB do you guys run?
Is Krosan Grip needed?
Originally Posted by Sigar
I believe Krosan Grip is still needed in the board of threshold. In the tournaments that I usually play it I do run into enchantress, aluren, and landstill.
If your metagame doesn't warrant you running Grip, then don't. The tournaments up here in the Northeast Krosan Grip is almost necessary to have at least a 2 of in the board.
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If you're paying over 2 mana for a creature, that creature needs to beat Goyf. Based on this principle, Serendib Efreet, Burning-Tree Shaman, and probably Sea Drake are all incorrect, and pretty much inferior to Worldly Tutor-for-Tarmogoyf*.
*which I also would not recommend.
What is Krosan Grip needed against? Deed, Aluren, EE?
Btw, has anyone considered running Dryad instead of Mongoose?
Sea Drake is incredibly good. In the mirror or against any other #random goyf-player both will draw tarmogoyfs and then the board is stalled. then u play sea drake and? it`s gg! so i think drake is the right way to go if u don`t want to play ToD in the maindeck.
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Respectfully, I disagree in regards to Drake/Efreet. Efreet hurts and Drake requires the land investment, however a 3 mana 3/4 is a threat that breaks the Goyf-stalemate. Is Fledgling Dragon a better choice? Probably. That said, Drakes and Efreets are FoW-pitching threats that break a goyf-mate, so they cannot be totally wrong.
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Instead? No way. Mongoose is just wayyyy too good to not run him. But running dryad along side mongoose is a viable stratagy. If you build your deck with the right cantrips (aka not portent or SDT) then he can grow really fast, and in general a dryad can easily break goyf-mates.
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I agree, Mongoose is really strong. I have spent the day testing, and I don't think Dryad is good enough. It's only good if you can get it on the table early on, and it's a terrible draw mid-late game. I would run either Dragon or Werebear as the 3rd creature.
I believe Dryad is very strong in threshold, but you have to run a lot of cantrips that can chain together. This is why a lot of builds at Gen Con ran opt, since you can easily find another cantrip to cast. Also, to maximize the effectiveness of the dryad's, you must run the full set of 4. I agree that dryad is not that good mid to late game, but the main reason to run him is so he becomes a big creature fast which helps threshold wins so many games.
Personally, I can't wait until Ponder becomes legal, because it will be really good in threshold. A nice compliment to portent if you decide to run both.
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I haven't tried it but it doesn't seem like a good call. Goose is great against Threads of Disloyalty, pin-point creature removal/control in general and bounce. Many decks need to go out of their way to cast EE@1 to get rid of Goose.
I used to run Goyf-Goose-Dryad for a while, but right now I'm only playing 8 creatures (Goyf-Goose) and I like it a lot.
How does BTS break a Goyf stalemate?
@NQN: Drake has 3 toughness and we're talking about a matchup with Lightning Bolts. That rules it out for me.
I actually suspect the deck needs no finisher at all. I have gotten by just fine on 8 creatures so far. I might want one large finisher, and since I also play four colors it would probably be Enforcer. I don't really want a lot of creatures except against board control decks.
He's talking about Serendib Efreet.
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I have been running 8 creatures, as well as 2-3 maindeck Threads of Disloyality. Of course, this is a meta choice, but if you're in a heavy aggro-control meta, Threads act as removal for the opponent's Goyf, as well as creatures (Tarmogoyf) number 9-11. This has won me quite some games. There are other creatures to get as well, such as: Dark Confidant, Meddling Mage, Dryad, Werebear, Serra Avenger, Nantuko Shade, and so on.
At worst, it pitches to Force of Will, but I found Threads of Disloyality to be one hell of an addition to the deck. Of course, it's strenghth is not as great if you're facing combo, but this is already a positive matchup.
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@MattH: If he kills your drake with a Bolt, your can kill his goyf with goyf block+bolt so u still have the advantage.
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But NQG loves it's land drops. I personally dont think Sea Drakes are so great unless you guys decide to run Winter Orbs.
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I'll add those lists then. Thanks for the info Anti.
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3 Burning-Tree Shaman
4 Nimble Mongoose
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Fire / Ice
4 Force of Will
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Predict
2 Repeal
4 Serum Visions
2 Vedalken Shackles
4 Flooded Strand
2 Island
3 Polluted Delta
4 Tropical Island
4 Volcanic Island
Sideboard:
1 Deepcavern Imp
4 Blue Elemental Blast
3 Pyroclasm
3 Magma Jet
3 Pithing Needle
1 Flowstone Embrace
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