Fair enough on the dodging counters, but I think the whole point of running Burning Wish is so that you don't muck up the deck with situational one ofs. Also, I'm not sure if they can be qualifies as "faster" since they all become active around turn three (with no acceleration) and Genesis has another condition he needs to meet besides the mana (he needs to get in the yard) so I'm not sure how often the deck is going to start the recursion game plan early.
That being said, while I have no love for Stronghold, a Genesis seems worth a test slot.
I've never seen him so upset....or ever before.
Unearth?Originally Posted by Illissius
Early one morning while making the round,
I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my woman down;
I went right home and I went to bed,
I stuck that lovin' .44 beneath my head.
Unearth can't steal and I am sure that would happen a lot.
squee could be some use in this kind of deck... I could also see you running zombie infestation for additional wincons in the deck.
a list could be..
creatures//8
4 squee goblin naboob
4 graveshell scarab
enchantments//8
4 seismic assault
4 zombie infestation
sorceries//10
3 life from the loam
3 devastating dreams
4 burning wish
instances//4
4 firestorm
artifacts//4
4 mox diamond
lands//26
1 mountain
2 forest
4 wooded foothills
4 winswept heath
4 forgotten cave
4 tranquil thicket
4 taiga
4 bayou
you could even run a 4c variant for white, for E.Tutor and confinement... the deck has a good MU against most decks except obviously combo, but I could see some cards comming in from the board.
the sideboard would probably be the same as yours though.
This deck gets countryside crusher in morningtide. The card is ridiculous in this deck as it combos with terravore and it makes sure you only draw business. I think that this card could realy help this deck become tier. I think that this deck can safely drop black now because it makes you draw only good spells.
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Sans black the deck has a ton of problems beating combo, although it does pretty much wreck everything else.
I've never seen him so upset....or ever before.
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There is a thread in the new and development forum about a deck wich abuses zombie infestation. My team developt it about 9 months ago and we've top 8ed a few times with the deck. But then the meta in the Benelux went to a lot of combo and that was not really favorable back then. But you can read about this all here: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=8015. The thread is a bit dead right now but I think it deserves more attention.
This deck would totally own with the new card. I think it would replace Dark Confidant because it will draw into business and not useless lands.
This deck already owns a lot, I don't know why people don't pay much attention to it.
But yes, with Crusher it will become a nightmare.
“THROUGH me you pass into the city of woe, through me you pass into eternal pain, Through me among the people lost for aye.
Justice the founder of my fabric moved, to rear me was the task of Power divine, Supremest Wisdom, and primeval Love.
Before me things create were none, save things Eternal, and eternal I endure.
All hope abandon, ye who enter here.” - Inferno
Here is a list i have been trying out on MWS. It has been unbelievably good.
4 Countryside Crusher
4 Terravore
4 Goyf
4 Thoughtsieze
4 seismic assault
3 life from the loam
3 devastating dreams
4 burning wish
4 mox diamond
2 mountain
1 forest
4 wooded foothills
4 Bloodstained mire
4 forgotten cave
4 tranquil thicket
4 taiga
4 Badlands
1 Life from the Loam
1 Devastating Dreams
1 Haunting Echoes
3 Pithing Needle
1 Nostalgic Dreams
1 Pulverize
1 Deathmark
1 Hull Breach
4 Duress
1 Reverent Silence
Thoughtsieze was realy good maindeck. I didnt miss confidant and thoughtsieze gives the deck better game against combo and it grabs creatures.
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This deck is fucking retarded. It steamrolls so much shit it's funny. If my MWS wasn't crashing every few minutes, I'd be testing the shit out of it.
BTW, technogeek, you're running 61 cards. I'd cut 1 tranquil thicket.
Yes, and also, I would cut one more land, one thoughtseize and one Seismic Assault for 3 md Firestorm.
Don't underestimate the power of this card. It's your only real answer to a first turn Lackey besides thoughtseize. I was playing test this deck right now on mws and it's more the amazing. I was able to take down 3 creatures at the same time and deal 4 damage to the opponent. Yes, it's that retarded.
Here is the current list I run, before main decking Crusher:
29 Mana
4 Foothills
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Taiga
2 Badlands
2 Bayou
3 Tranquil Thicket
3 Forgotten Cave
3 Wasteland
4 Mox Diamond
10 Creatures
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Dark Confidant
3 Terravore
21 Spells
2 EE (for tokens, needle.....very versatile)
3 Firestorm
3 Devastating Dreams
3 Seismic Assault
3 Life From the Loam
4 Burning Wish
3 Cabal Therapy (still testing this vs Thoughtseize, but Therapy has won me more games, as I can also sac Bob for Flashback it)
I tested this version last game against Geddon Stax. The first game was pretty easy. I wished for Shattering Spree removing some annoying arctifacts (smockestack, trinisphere) from the way and a Goyf plus a 6/6 Terravore finish the job.
Second game was really really interesting. I had a mox, 3 other lands in play and a Goyf. He lands the first Ghostly Prison, then the second Prison and he finally cast Ravages of War, screwing me pretty bad. I played Bob and passed the turn. Next turn I drew a Burning Wish from Bob and drew something I can't remember in my Draw Step. I wished for Reverent Silence (I just have to say that this card is amaaaaaazing), gave him 6 life and finished the game on the next turn.
I was not sure how this deck perform against Stax decks, and I'm still not sure if this match could tell me everything about the matchup. I know that Chalice for 2 screw you pretty bad, but that might be their only option to stop this deck, since Burning Wish can win the game.
My conclusions are: this deck is pretty insane, being able to smashes every other deck besides combo (you might have a chance with Therapies and EE, though still they have advantage). Burning Wish is a house, it just wins you games that you shouldn't.
“THROUGH me you pass into the city of woe, through me you pass into eternal pain, Through me among the people lost for aye.
Justice the founder of my fabric moved, to rear me was the task of Power divine, Supremest Wisdom, and primeval Love.
Before me things create were none, save things Eternal, and eternal I endure.
All hope abandon, ye who enter here.” - Inferno
Im noticing a horribly terrifying lack of a playset of Countryside crusher. The card is a absolute house in this deck, better then vore because he requires no other cards for him to operate, pumps vore, makes all your draws better, and is great with loam.
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just curious, it handles all other decks besides combo but how does this handle reanimator types of deck?
nuking the beastie with assault then bashing head with vore and crusher? and how legit is crusher? is there a picture? he seems awfully imbal... in more than just Aggro Loam.
pretty much psyched with the addition of countryside crusher in aggro loam.. how are the testings going with the new guy so far? =]
amazing actually. He becomes huge, so much that he eats goyf after 1 or 2 turns. Also the fact that all your draws become better is huge. It also fills the graveyard nicely with lands and meks it easier to get Lftl so you eventually get a engine going with cycle lands that crusher dumped and Life from the loam so crusher will finish the game by himself relatively shortly.
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So far I'm doing tests only in MWS, so I'm not able to test Crusher yet. I wonder what could be cut for him. Obviously I won't cut Terravore and Goyf....maybe Bob? Bob is great, but I can't think of anything else. Maybe he is the right choice, since Crusher will "fix" your draws and you can use your cycling lands to draw business and answers.
“THROUGH me you pass into the city of woe, through me you pass into eternal pain, Through me among the people lost for aye.
Justice the founder of my fabric moved, to rear me was the task of Power divine, Supremest Wisdom, and primeval Love.
Before me things create were none, save things Eternal, and eternal I endure.
All hope abandon, ye who enter here.” - Inferno
I'm testing the following list:
// Lands
4 [B] Taiga
2 [B] Badlands
3 [TE] Wasteland
1 [OD] Barbarian Ring
4 [ON] Forgotten Cave
1 [ON] Tranquil Thicket
3 [ON] Wooded Foothills
3 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
1 [SH] Volrath's Stronghold
1 [LG] The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
// Creatures
4 [OD] Terravore
4 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
4 [xyz] Countryside Crusher
// Spells
3 [RAV] Life from the Loam
4 [SH] Mox Diamond
3 [7E] Seismic Assault
4 [JU] Burning Wish
4 [LOR] Thoughtseize
3 [TO] Devastating Dreams
4 [FD] Engineered Explosives
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [RAV] Life from the Loam
SB: 1 [TO] Devastating Dreams
SB: 4 [JU] Cabal Therapy
SB: 1 [PS] Hull Breach
SB: 1 [TO] Nostalgic Dreams
SB: 1 [MM] Pulverize
SB: 1 [PT] Armageddon
SB: 4 [LOR] Thorn of Amethyst
SB: 1 [US] Gamble
The one Gamble is to get wished and to search for Tabernacle (which costs you can pay easily quite often and which can wreck decks like ******** in combination with Loam + Wasteland) or Stronghold (which is totally underrated at least here in Germany).
The Wishboard is clear I suppose (the additional Pulverize as it tends to own Stompy decks), Nostalgic Dreams for mass recycling (Assault or Explosives). Therapy and Thorn are for the Combo-Matchup...
So far my testing results are that Crusher reads "StoP me now or die". He is unbelievable strong in this deck.
Edit: I count only 59 cards in the MB...Fixed
Last edited by Joon; 01-06-2008 at 09:38 AM.
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