[Deck] Dragon Stompy

[Jak]

When you are facing down a Goyf and you need to top deck something relevant like a Slogger or Akroma and you flip a Mauler. That is a bad topdeck.

[Arsenal]

And why would mauler be a bad topdeck ? He reads : your opponent doesn`t play spells or this gets fat.

If you really think that Mauler is a "good" topdeck on turn 6, then by all means, play him.

Personally, I want to run unconditionally good/effective creatures, that can be equally effective regardless of when they are drawn/resolved. Sulfur Elemental fits into my requirements, Taurean Mauler does not.

[J.V.]

Yes, Jak is correct. Mauler was appealing upon first glance, but testing has shown that it is just an awful card in the deck after turn 1/2, and even then I'd rather drop disruption or a bomb like a dragon or Slogger. Any time you see him mid/late game you really wish he was another creature.

[Rinello]

And why would mauler be a bad topdeck ? He reads : your opponent doesn`t play spells or this gets fat.

"your opponent has a Tarmo who will eat a brand new mauler alive"

or.. "your opponent will stp it"

it is mediocre IMHO.

[savemysoul]

Ok let`s see when facing down a Goyf you topdeck a ... elemental yeah !, much more gamebreaking. But if you get a mauler, your opponent won`t play any spells but only beat with goyf thus making his a better topdeck in the situation you presented

ok lets see turn six you get a 3/2 or turn six you get 2/2, i agree that on hand elemental is better, but in a turn or two mauler will become much better with the option of growing out of hand/sealing the game

[Arsenal]

Ok let`s see when facing down a Goyf you topdeck a ... elemental yeah !, much more gamebreaking. But if you get a mauler, your opponent won`t play any spells but only beat with goyf thus making his a better topdeck in the situation you presented

ok lets see turn six you get a 3/2 or turn six you get 2/2, i agree that on hand elemental is better, but in a turn or two mauler will become much better with the option of growing out of hand/sealing the game

If I cast my Elemental during my opponent's Goyf attack phase, in order to suprise chump block him, now allowing me to swing with my men untouched, then yes, Elemental > Mauler by alot.

Mauler has zero versatility or utility. A resolved Mauler is particularly weak past turn 3. This is fact. Again, if you feel as though Mauler's growth potential outweighs Sulfur's numerous positives and potential for sneakiness, then by all means, play your Mauler.

[J.V.]

Ok let`s see when facing down a Goyf you topdeck a ... elemental yeah !, much more gamebreaking. But if you get a mauler, your opponent won`t play any spells but only beat with goyf thus making his a better topdeck in the situation you presented

ok lets see turn six you get a 3/2 or turn six you get 2/2, i agree that on hand elemental is better, but in a turn or two mauler will become much better with the option of growing out of hand/sealing the game

Yes but the issue with mauler is that unlike Sulfer he DOES suck after turn 1-3. Also there ARE far better things for the deck to drop turns 1-3 so really Mauler although seemingly good (as well as having the perfect mana cost) has no place is DS.

[savemysoul]

arsenal who said anything about any creatures on your side ? with creatures mauler would be even more gold : mauler + 5/5 raiders, slogger, hellbent dragon. I don`t think that goyf would attack with any of thoose on board, if he would, he would loose goyf and if he would play another spell kazam ! Mauler is on his way to becoming a big threat

[Arsenal]

arsenal who said anything about any creatures on your side ? with creatures mauler would be even more gold : mauler + 5/5 raiders, slogger, hellbent dragon. I don`t think that goyf would attack with any of thoose on board, if he would, he would loose goyf and if he would play another spell kazam ! Mauler is on his way to becoming a big threat

Lol, okay. Keep on playing your conditionally, sorta-kinda-maybe good Mauler. I'll stick with unconditional efficiency and consistency in any other creature (Sulfur, Akroma) at that slot.

[savemysoul]

my list is the same as i posted it with 20 creatures and without akromas, maulers or sulfurs main. If I find room to fit in more creatures those will be maulers cuz they proven the most effective in my testing (not sure about akroma, I only know i haven`t flipped her in maybe 50 games i tryed her.)

[Dilettante]

my list is the same as i posted it with 20 creatures and without akromas, maulers or sulfurs main. If I find room to fit in more creatures those will be maulers cuz they proven the most effective in my testing (not sure about akroma, I only know i haven`t flipped her in maybe 50 games i tryed her.)

Hrm... Are you just goldfishing or casting seething song in obvious situations (i.e. in combat)? I have no problems flipping Akroma (I run 2). A 2-mana land and 2 red sources and a seething song... but I intentionally cast creatures with this deck in pre-combat main at times to facilitate such ploys.

[savemysoul]

i play 3 songs and usualy i spend one on a slogger

[Nihil Credo]

Sulfur Elemental should read:
I laugh at Grunts.

Translated: I can trade with a creature that costs 2/3 as much as I do, and which no-one plays anyway.

I kill/disable White Weenie hordes.

Indeed, from the fury of White Weenie protect us, Oh Lord.

I can play neat combat tricks.

True. That's its major selling point, especially if you include the ability to screw up damage races (by dropping a threat at EOT).

I'm equally effective mid/late game as I am on turn 1.

So is Bloodrock Cyclops.

I'm virtually guaranteed to resolve.

MUC aside, decks these days run 8 hard counters at the most. If Elemental didn't have Split Second, it would still be allowed to resolve 90% of the time, considering that there are far more dangerous bombs in Dragon Stompy to watch for.

The exception is Daze, against which Sulfur Elemental gives you the option to drop something worthwhile before you get the extra mana required to dodge it.

[Arsenal]

Translated: I can trade with a creature that costs 2/3 as much as I do, and which no-one plays anyway.



Indeed, from the fury of White Weenie protect us, Oh Lord.



True. That's its major selling point, especially if you include the ability to screw up damage races (by dropping a threat at EOT).



So is Bloodrock Cyclops.



MUC aside, decks these days run 8 hard counters at the most. If Elemental didn't have Split Second, it would still be allowed to resolve 90% of the time, considering that there are far more dangerous bombs in Dragon Stompy to watch for.

The exception is Daze, against which Sulfur Elemental gives you the option to drop something worthwhile before you get the extra mana required to dodge it.

Except you're taking my entire post out of context; I was comparing Sulfur Elemental to Taurean Mauler. As such, the "Bloodrock Cyclops" comment doesn't hold a whole lot of water as, again in context, Sulfur > Mauler in terms of many things, one of them being able to be effective turn 1 to turn 100. The same cannot be said about Mauler.

Taurean Mauler cannot trade with Grunt, without assistance from opponent. Also, Grunt is played in Legacy, I don't know what meta you play in, but Grunt is a commonly used creature in Legacy.

WW is something you will ALWAYS come up against at any tourney of decent size. Maybe not in your circle of playtesters, but go to any 40+ tourney, and you will see jank like this there.

If you want to make witty replies to my post, at least do it within the correct context.

[savemysoul]

The only card you will give to feed Grunt is the one you pitch to gathan + what they counter. I don`t fear 2 turns lasting Grunts much.

[Rinello]

The only card you will give to feed Grunt is the one you pitch to gathan + what they counter. I don`t fear 2 turns lasting Grunts much.

Plus any fetch, cantrip and other stuff he put in HIS GY, If I am not wrong.

[savemysoul]

yea like i said two turns

[Maagler]

hey everyone this is my cutrrent maindeck list

Lands
10 Mountain
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors

Creatures
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Gathan Raiders
4 Arc-Slogger
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Simian Spirit Guide

Spells
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
4 Seething Song
3 Blood Moon
3 Trinisphere
3 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

I actualy need help on my side board. My meta is filled with a lot of threhold and not too much combo. I was thinkng about including some amount of Tephraderm since they eat Tarmogoyf for breakfast, but I understand the pros and cons to him, including his mana cost. The only thing I dont really want to get for the side is pithing needle because of its cost, but I do not mind breaking the bank too much if they are neccisary because the whgole deck is pretty economical. Also I am pretty sure that I want to add another trinisphere in side also just because it is rediculus, but not in all matchups. Any suggestions for the side are welcome!

I think this main board is particulay strong and straight forward. I tried Akroma, Angel of Fury and Sulfur Elemental, and found them to be a bit janky for my taistes (although the whole deck seems like that sometimes on bad draws.) I also like the equiptment ratio since Jitte is the best but four is too many.

[Jak]

I really think they both suck. If I had room I would probably play with Sulfur Elemental, but it is not worth cutting anything in my list. Mauler is bad. Don't compare it to Standstill because drawing 3 is so much more powerful than turning your 2/2 into a 3/3. Your opponent will be glad to still play spells. Actually they probably won't be able to play spells at all. You play 7-8 moon effects, Chalice, and maybe Trinisphere. Can we stop discussing Mauler? It sucks.

[savemysoul]

maagler as for your list, if thresh is mostly your meta add another sphere and moon, they really roll to that, goyf can usually be raced with dragon/raiders/slogger

nobody said its more powerfull than standstill, im just saying they need to get rid of it ASAP if they play spells or he`ll be 6/6 in no time