[Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

[noobslayer]

it helps also against other combo Belcher and such, nah I lost 2-0 so it wasn't enough, maybe if i drew more discard but he still went off after 2 hyms and 2 thoughtseizes and a hippie

Then he had god draws, unless your discard didn't hit anything relevant, which I find hard to believe.

[Slayer001]

nah it hit good things, he got lucky to get helbent for that tutor all the time, he won everything and don't know if he could always have a god hand. With one thoughtseize I removed a LED and with another one a mystical tutor, that were the best options I think

[Lance]

You lost against combo after 2 hymn, two thoughtsezie and a hypno hit?! Like noobslayer said, either you got extremly unlucky with the random discard or, most likely, your opponent got really lucky.

You can't hate combo more with a maindeck like Eva Green, you got the tools to defeat it. Maybe you had too much discard and no clock during your game, I mean if you had the time to cast all these spells, the game must have been a little long, no? Usually it's more like one good thoughtseize, then sinkhole / waste, then a beater: Tarmo, shade or my favorite the big 5/5 demon

[Slayer001]

yea I agd alot of discard that game but decided to keep my hand because discard was good, the beaters did not come through

[Joon]

I'm going to build this supersexy Deck but I got a question:

How do you beat Aggro Loam...? Especially these versions with tons of basics which makes it quite difficult to cut them off green for LftL. In addition, Vores und Crushers are just SO big. The only way I see out is an early Stalker backed up with Seals (Assault).
Do you mulligan for Leyline in this Matchup...?

[Shtriga]

smother would be a perfect fit for that, in place of the sinkholes would help a bit, getting rid of all their big creatures, where as LD is mostly useless. and seals take care of seismic assault

tough part is finding space in the SB to carry them

[Slayer001]

If I have to beat that deck I usually mull fot lotv after SB but not lower then 5.

[AnwarA101]

I'm going to build this supersexy Deck but I got a question:

How do you beat Aggro Loam...? Especially these versions with tons of basics which makes it quite difficult to cut them off green for LftL. In addition, Vores und Crushers are just SO big. The only way I see out is an early Stalker backed up with Seals (Assault).
Do you mulligan for Leyline in this Matchup...?

I recently played against an AggroLoamSurvival deck at the NOVA tourney this past weekend. I did lose in game 3, but it wasn't as bad as it would seem. You disrupt them and play fast beats, use Snuff Out to tempo them out of the game and swing for the win. I didn't have Leyline in the board so I couldn't really use it. I only boarded in 3 Jitte and that almost pulled it off in games 2 and 3, but I came up short both times. Nitewolf9 and I have been discussing Leyline of the Void and it seems very powerful as it can hurt both Crusher and Terravore as well as Life from the Loam. I wish I had access to it in my match.

[electrolyze]

i'm going to play this deck at a big upcoming tourney,

there are really very much kinds of aggro loam, ichorid and probably thresh variants and still very much goblins decks.

is this side good enough for these 4 kind of decks and probably some random aggro and control decks:

4xextirpate
4xyixlid jailer
4xengineered plague
3xumezawa's jitte

my main is the same as erveryone plays casue i think thats the strongest build.

[nitewolf9]

i'm going to play this deck at a big upcoming tourney,

there are really very much kinds of aggro loam, ichorid and probably thresh variants and still very much goblins decks.

is this side good enough for these 4 kind of decks and probably some random aggro and control decks:

4xextirpate
4xyixlid jailer
4xengineered plague
3xumezawa's jitte

my main is the same as erveryone plays casue i think thats the strongest build.

I'm not sure you really need that much yard hate unless you are expecting ichorid in numbers. If that's the case then I'd probably replace extirpate with leyline of the void, which is not only stronger against ichorid but also stronger against aggro loam. Choke is very good against threshold and the variety of landstill/other blue based control decks that show up at every legacy tournament. I would strongly consider it.

[Sek'Kuar]

I just had the best play I've ever had with this deck. I went first, playing Swamp, rit, rit, rit, thoughtseize, tombstalker to yank my W-thresh oponnents lone 'goose and in four turns he was gone. Pure luck, but awesome, nonetheless.

[electrolyze]

the tourney i'm gonna play is upcoming sunday but im not good at boarding out cards most of the time so can somebody give me some tips to board out against this decks:

aggroloam

landstill

threshold

goblins

survival

my side is now the same as the original list.

[nitewolf9]

the tourney i'm gonna play is upcoming sunday but im not good at boarding out cards most of the time so can somebody give me some tips to board out against this decks:

aggroloam

landstill

threshold

goblins

survival

my side is now the same as the original list.

aggroloam: You want leyline and probably jitte here, as sinkhole and even hymn are not as strong as they could be in this matchup those are what I'd board out. -4 sinkhole, -3 hymn to tourach, +4 leyline otv, +3 jitte

landstill: Choke is a beating for them. -4 snuff out, +4 choke

threshold: This matchup really depends on a number of things, and there are many ways you can board for it. You definitely want to bring in 4 choke, and against white you might want to consider just boarding out 4 snuff out for 4 choke (snuff out only hits goyf here). Otherwise boarding out 3 seal and 1 snuff out for 4 choke seems pretty reasonable as choke can essentially deal with counter/top effectively. You can also cut sinkhole if you wish but that card is still useful, especially against 4 and 5 color builds. Use your judgement based on what your opponent is playing.

goblins: -4 sinkhole, -3 seal, +4 plague, +3 jitte
You abandon the mana denial strategy post board and simply make sure they can't keep goblins on the table.

survival: Generally, -3 seal and +3 jitte is an ok plan against them. Cutting seal is done because it only hits survival reactively and jitte lets you overwhelm them on the board, combined with your disruption, before they can really get going. Another option is to leave in the seals and board in leyline and jitte for sinkhole and hymn. This lets you directly attack the engine and shut off cards like squee and genesis/anger, and also shrink all their muscle (tarmogoyf) at your whim with stalker. I'm not sure which strategy is better really; this is something that needs to be tested.

[electrolyze]

thank you very much for the reply, now i really think i'm fully prepared for the tournament:p if i will do it good i will post a tourney result here.

[nitewolf9]

Good luck and let us know how it goes. I'm curious to hear what decks you wind up playing against.

[AnwarA101]

aggroloam: You want leyline and probably jitte here, as sinkhole and even hymn are not as strong as they could be in this matchup those are what I'd board out. -4 sinkhole, -3 hymn to tourach, +4 leyline otv, +3 jitte

I think you really want to cut Seal before cutting either Sinkhole or Hymn (I'm not sure which one is better). Seal only hits Mox Diamond that I can think of. Some experimental builds have Survival in them as well, so I guess you'll have to see what you are actually playing against.

survival: Generally, -3 seal and +3 jitte is an ok plan against them. Cutting seal is done because it only hits survival reactively and jitte lets you overwhelm them on the board, combined with your disruption, before they can really get going. Another option is to leave in the seals and board in leyline and jitte for sinkhole and hymn. This lets you directly attack the engine and shut off cards like squee and genesis/anger, and also shrink all their muscle (tarmogoyf) at your whim with stalker. I'm not sure which strategy is better really; this is something that needs to be tested.

I really want to test the leyline/seal/jitte plan as it seems very interesting. I think I've lost just as many post-board games to Survival as I have pre-board which suggests to me that my current sideboarding strategy (-3 Seal, +3 Jitte) doesn't really do much in terms of improving my matchup. I would suggest trying the second strategy, but I have no testing to suggest that it is the better option.

[nitewolf9]

I think you really want to cut Seal before cutting either Sinkhole or Hymn (I'm not sure which one is better). Seal only hits Mox Diamond that I can think of. Some experimental builds have Survival in them as well, so I guess you'll have to see what you are actually playing against.

The one thing I'd be really worried about is seismic assault, but I guess you can neuter that with leyline anyway. If I left in one or the other between sinkhole and hymn I'd probably leave hymn (seems better with leyline on the board).

[Phantom]

The one thing I'd be really worried about is seismic assault, but I guess you can neuter that with leyline anyway. If I left in one or the other between sinkhole and hymn I'd probably leave hymn (seems better with leyline on the board).

Yeah I think if you are losing to Seismic Assault, you were going to lose anyway because they have gotten a hold of Loam, Assault, as well as triple red mana. I would imagine this means your deck failed in its goal. You're not going to win the late game against Loam (and really who is?) so why try?

It's sort of like Counterbalance/Top. This deck gets crushed by a CB/Top engine, but 9/10 times it loses to it, it would have lost anyway.

[Lance]

Against Survival, i've found Leyline very useful (Survival's decks in my meta use welder to boot). Also Snuff Out is golden against them and for me, Jitte is a little too slow to really make a difference in this matchup. I would keep the seals in, but that's just me

[electrolyze]

i just had the brokenest play i ever made in my life,

i played on mws against terranova,

t1, fetch, ritual, ritual, seize, seize, stalker

t2, 2th land topdeck tarmogoyf:p

that really shows how broken this deck can go(1 on the 1000 time:p)

but serious, this deck can have eally insane plays out of ritual.