I personally think that shadowmoor gave a lot more to legacy than lorywn or morningtide ever did. I know that Tattermunge Maniac is definitly going to be a 4 of in any zoo deck. Vexing shusher will be a 4 of in every goblin deck, and Gutteral responce may or may not very possibly replace red elemental blast, and than of course, there is the legacy deck called Plasma Swans featuring the 4/3 flier. Those are just some that come to mind, any other ideas, feel free to post them.
Tarmogoyf can bite the FATTEST part of my ass.
I dunno. I think Ponder and Thoughtseize alone give Lorwyn the edge over the two recent sets. That's just me though...
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I would not play Veshing Shusher Mainboard in Goblins or more than twice in the SB.
The Swans Combo has proven to not be as good as it looks and is most effective within a Red thresh shell, not as a dedicated combo deck.
Red Elemental Blast is Inferior to Pyroblast and both seem superior to Guttural response by a mile.
Zoo isn't really a DTB so this shouldn't affect the meta much. Attacking every turn in a format with goyfs is quite the drawback.
Honestly, Lorwyn gave us the Planeswalkers, Thoughtseize, Warren weirding, Wort and Ponder. That's a lot. I'd be surprised if Shadowmoor will end up with at least 1 card as popular as Ponder.
Warren Weirding was Morningtide, but your post is still spot on. You could add Doran, Gaddock Teeg, Sower of Temptation, Shriekmaw to the list of Lorwyn playables, and Countryside Crusher from Morningtide.Originally Posted by Elficidium
Ponder and Warren Weirding alone I would say rank each of the previous two sets as more influential than Shadowmoor, there was nothing printed in the set that boosts a DTB.
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For as much as Grindstones have gone up, the bigger question remains: How much will Painter's Servant have on the Legacy world?
Personally, I think it will see about as much play as Stifle-Dreadnought. It's a decent combo but we'll have to wait and see.
We don't have the absurdity that Vintage does with that particular combo. We have to put up with sub-par choices for the Power, and we don't have much to replace it with that keeps either speed or consistency.
Vexing Shusher <3.
False. There are many 2/1s in Legacy, and Maniac is probably one of more marginal ones due of its drawback. It reads:
If your opponents control any creature with ass of 3 or more(see: Tarmogoyf), Sacrifice Tattermunge Maniac and deal 2 damage to that creature.
things like Jackal Pup, Jungle lion, Kird Ape, Skyshoroud Elites are so much better and most of them are seeing only marginal bit of play.
Shadowmoor, in my opinion, is not a great set for Legacy compared to Lorwin and Shadowmoor. Ponder > Shadowmoor.
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Agreed. However, I really think that Fulminator Mage can make an impact of done right. Shusher will obviously find a home somewhere, right, Bryant?
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I think Shadowmoor will have some impact just because of Shusher making people want to pick up combo. Not that it makes TES into Flash or anything, but people will follow the hype and see that SHusher makes TES' harder MUs easier.
the mentioned cards will see play in right decks, but not as wide as ponder or thoughtseize. Look how many captrips did ponder invalidated.
She said, "You're broken."
"So is your face." replied the Tarmogoyf.
Well it was an obvious choice when it came down to Opt vs. Mental Note vs. Ponder.
I was agreeing with you.
They didn't make only a slightly inferior Brainstorm and a broken Duress in Shadowmoor. Lorwyn was groundbreaking. We understand that. I'm just trying to validate the solid-ness of Shadowmoor. I think we need to dig a bit deeper than rare cards to see Shadowmoor's truly good cards. I'm a big fan of Ashenmoor Auger (I think that's his name the B/R B/R B/R 4/4 that can't block). Pretty good, imo.
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Point taken. I really like some cards myself.
She said, "You're broken."
"So is your face." replied the Tarmogoyf.
I think shadowmoor is a decent set, but it doesn't have signature cards that will see play in a lot of decks, such as, reasonably recently, pithing needle, jotun grunt, and thoughtsieze. Or terribly many awesome goblins such as warren weirding and wort, as someone pointed out.
The one card that I'm surprised no one's mentioned here, given the graveyard love that's been going on in Legacy, is Wheel of Sun and Moon. I bought myself a playset. It's reasonably priced, easier to cast than leyline if it doesn't start in the opening hand, is a replacement effect unlike planar void, and is also good against things like solidarity, which still do see some play. More importantly, it gives green and white some awesome graveyard hate where really only black had it before.
Also tech for not decking yourself in Enchantress ;). I picked up 3 beause it may or may not go in my deck. Picked up 4 Runed Halo and 4 Shusher.
This set is kind of like Magikarp's "Splash" attack from the old Pokemon games, "NO EFFECT!"
Funny. Your posting has a similar result as Magikarp's attack.
I don't agree quite with Bovi. 2 cards will have effects:
Vexing Shusher could and I think will make TES a strong contender again, as it alone should push the Thresh MU to about 50/50, better against players who SB wrong.
Manamorphase, to me, is a must have in Belcher as it allows the removal of Street Wraith (which sucked) and the inclusion of Diminishing Returns in the SB (which doesn't).
I don't think much else will get played. The Swans combo isn't as strong as initially projected and I don't think there's a reason to play it over a normal UGr Thresh build. The Painter's Servent combo is vulnerable to almost every played kind of removal in Legacy, so I can't see it being viable.
Wheel Of Sun and Moon is a decent card but I don't think it will replace Leyline. Leyline is more suitable for the aggro/combo decks that play it, while control decks would prefer Extirpate over Wheel or Leyline in all but the strangest metas.
And what if you're not running black? I'm not going to necessarily argue that WOSAM replaces Leyline, just that it's competitive with them and gives good graveyard hate to other colors... Something besides crypt that is. For this reason I think it will find a spot in enough sideboards.
What tier 1-2 decks play straight W without black or a color that gives better access to graveyard hate, that aren't UGw Thresh, which won't play this? UW Landstill isn't exactly strong (though I play it), and Angel Stompy is a bit outdated. Just because a card is playable, and will be played in decks that aren't strong in the current meta, doesn't mean it will impact the format.
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