Actually you do want to play multiple copies of the Moon, the reason being it makes it all the harder for the opponent to address the issue of removing the moon effect. At least that has been my experience... or at the very least you want to have an additional moon in hand in case they do manage to remove the first moon somehow.Originally Posted by deviant
"He's like fire and ice and rage. He's like the night, and the storm in the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever... He burns at the center of time and he can see the turn of the universe... and... he's wonderful."
Here is my current plan for my prototype that I have teeked to my liking....
12 Mountain
4 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Arc-Slogger
4 Tarox
2 Rorix
1 Two Headed Dragon
4 Spirit Guide
4 Chrome Mox
4 Seething Song
2 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
2 Trinisphere
4 Chalice of the Void
SB
2 Pithing Needle
2 Sundering Titan
4 Pryoclasm
4 Shattering Spree
(still rearranging the rest)
....This plan has been fully test yet as I have found nobody to test against so far in this area. In the time I am looking the other two copies of Magus of the Moon, I've been fooling around with the SB cards to see how fast I could pull them off.
I have dropped the Raiders, the Jittes, and the Blood Moons to keep the plan as original as possible. Although they have won people games in the past, I wanted my plan to be true to the Dragon part of the title as the plan was leaning more out of the title and becoming more of Blood Chalice once again.
That list seems awful. There's no way that you can consistently support Arc-Slogger, Tarox, Rorix, and Two-Headed Dragon. You need those to be three costing threats so that you can actually do things. Your list barely functions when even when you get Seething Song.
Each time I shuffled up, every 7/10 times I kept drawing into seething song with at least one of the two nonbasics in the plan with at least one or two of the high costing creatures.
If I can't cast one of them, I pitch it to mox.
Please. Stop. Posting. In. This. Thread.
If you aren't going to stick to what the deck is and radically change the entire design of it, make a new thread in the N&D Forum about SeethingSongIntoDragons.dec and go post there. Sorry but I am sick of the "lets take out all the lock pieces and add more dragons" bullshit.
Somebody had to say it.
Still looking for FBB Lightning Bolts. German or Korean is preferred. PM me if you have them
My report is up http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=9636
Oh and about the Pyroclasms, I play them because I don't own any Pyrokinesis yet :(
Tormod's Crypt will most likely be Trinisphere when I play the deck again.
edit: That list by mercenarybdu definitely needs more Desperate Ritual! Maybe also add a Dragonstorm to fetch some dragons for when you don't draw them naturally. XD
or in other words, all but maybe the last 2-4 creatures are really strong already and can easily be cast off a manabase with only 10 mountains. Why do you want to play creatures that are only marginally stronger if at all and are infinitely harder to cast? I played 11 mountains and 8 creatures withand still struggled to get more than one
more edit to quote the first post:3) Magus of the Moon and Blood Moon - I'll give this one to Taco "7 Blood Moons, however, is format-eating. Seriously. It's as if your deck goes 'DECK HUNGRY! Om nom nom Format.'" There might be a time when so many Blood Moon effects aren't needed, but right now they are gold.
4) Gathan Raiders and Rakdos Pit Dragon - The best creatures in the deck. They are both very good, and hellbent makes them unfair.
"Anybody want some . . . toast?" —Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
I'll try and be nicer than TrialByFire.
Gathan Raiders is a bomb. It's usually swinging for 5 by turn 3. It will ALWAYS be better than Tarox Bladewing/2H Dragon/Rorix. You need to play 4.
Blood Moon is the best bomb in the deck. It's harder to remove than Magus, making it just as essential to your strategy. Play 3-4.
Those are the main concerns that I have.
Note: I know if I post it somewhere else, it's going to be shot down, and I'll get a notice saying "there is already a post on it already" with all the other administrative bulk that comes with the turf.
But anyway I modified the MB again a few minutes ago by taking down the THD and Sword of L/S for two copies of Gathan Raiders.
I am not going to change my mind anytime soon on the Bladewings.
I moved that same sword to the SB while still working on it.
The plan doesn't need Dragonstorm.
There are many variations at the moment but for some reason everyone is just being a ----- about the ideas I bring to the table. I'll change my mind about a few things but not all of them to break away from the crowd.
I'll be reviewing this prototype on Youtube once I am done making my last teeks to it. (Before you start cursing about my future review, please keep in mind that just making a review through video form is ten times as hard as it is in text form as there are many more factors into making a good one)(I tell my viewers in blog form rather than glitter it all up).
SB so far.....
2 Sundering Titan
4 Shattering Spree
4 Pyroclasm
2 Trinsphere
1 Sword of L/S
2 Pithing Needle
MB so far.....
12 Mountain
4 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Arc-Slogger
4 Tarox
2 Rorix
2 Gathan Raiders
4 Spirit Guide
4 Chrome Mox
4 Seething Song
2 Sword of Fire and Ice
2 Trinisphere
4 Chalice of the Void
....I have already burned through nearly all of my reserves to put this one together with my own mods to make it fit in with the theme. I have heard lots of talks about Red Akroma and Tauran Mauler, that signified how much of the deck had already been explored, I went into different sectors and threw in the Taroxs as that hadn't been tampered with yet for this plan. As my reaction from the masses is not impressive at the moment, proving that it works in this plan will be the challenge to change your minds.
What you have to understand is that "keeping to the theme of things" and optimizing the deck are often conflicting goals. As nice as the Rorix and the Taox fit the theme of the deck "dragon" stompy, they simply do not further the deck's goal and affects the deck's over all mana curve.
You said so yourself here:
It's very clearly illustrated here, you dropped cards that won games in order to keep the "dragon" theme alive. As nice as it is to have 10+ dragons in the deck, they are simply not the ideal choice for the deck if you want the deck to remain competitive.I have dropped the Raiders, the Jittes, and the Blood Moons to keep the plan as original as possible. Although they have won people games in the past, I wanted my plan to be true to the Dragon part of the title...
The Blood Moons, for example, is an integral part of the plan to work in conjunction with Magnus of the Moon to colour screw your opponent while your beats finish the job. By removing them, you have weakened that aspect of the game.
The overall curve of the deck is also too much reliant on SS. Both Bladewings have triple RRR in their cc, not to mention the overall cost of 5 and 6. One of the post above even denied running the Liege based on the statement that
But you removed Blood Moons, making it even harder to reliable cast your dragons. This is very counter intuitive and should be looked into.Uncastable unless under moon = unplayable.
PS. Mauler is a dragon, nuff said.
Nothing witty to say.
WooooT!?
Those points addressed separate things. The cougar is uncastable and I don't even remember what my other ****ing problem was.
Oh yes! Me removed blood moons?! WTF? Have you ever read a post I've made. I mention 8 blood moons every time, really. I probably recommended that for Solidarity too when I posted there the other day.
Also; if you want to keep it to the theme, name your fucking deck "Moon Stompy". That's what this is. I mean, look at SSG - he bathes in moonlight. Jitte has a moon in the background. Slogger apparently lives happily everafter in the goddamn bloodmoon with G.Raiders. Trinisphere resembles a moon. And you should md eight &%¤&$§˝#" Blood Moons!
There, can we now please try hard and not make a casual deck out of this?
Also: Mauler sucks. There. I said it. Why do you want him? An out for Lackey?
Dodges WW? I don't get it. WW is a sorcery, Lackey attacks, Sulfur rapes the little bitch. IF they WW post-combat, you can go and celebrate your double timewalk. If they play terminate (don't know how popular this is, happened to me more than once though) it's no difference if it's mauler or sulfur, you get gang-banged anyways.
For the ThreshThreshThreshThreshThresh mu? You really need help there?
For combo and hope they fizzle? Sounds like a great strategy..
I must be stupid 'cause I don't see the advantage a vanilla beatstick provides over an uncounterable, pseudo-removal breakfast-hoser.
EDIT: I really must have had something on my mind, that "ThreshThreshThreshThreshThresh-part" is a total accident.
Ps. KillKillKillKillKillKillKill
I would like to post a quick sidenote concerning DS.
NEVER PLAY THIS DECK AGAINST CASUAL PLAYERS!!!!! IT RUINS YOUR DAY!!!
I did so anyways and had to experience that this deck gets killed so easily by random crap.
I was very close to not liking this deck anymore because of this.
1. 8 Mooneffect do shit against someone who plays basics only
2. Chalice of the Void and (3Sphere) do nothing against a player whos curve starts at 3-6 LOL
3. All your fat critters get killed by stuff like Terror or Dark Banishing LOL
4. And stuff like a random ROYAL ASSASSIN (WTF) rapes you!!!!
So please keep it as a legacy deck that is constructed to beat top tier decks within that specific meta. (IT DOES NOTHING ELSE)
Yeah this deck is constructed to disrupt and beat top tier decks in most meta... you shouldn't play this for casual or multiplayer games :D
I got my fair share of sarcasm when I faced my friends' basics too. (wasteland works like crap in my casual games too.)
Not trying to be rood but this deck looks more like STOMPYless Dragons. Where are the raiders and the Blood Moons?
The return of a Legend(in his own words)
Rather, if playing in a casual environment, you should rebuild the deck to match. You can still have the makings of a very effective deck here, but Blood Moons, Trinispheres et company should rather just become more creatures and maybe Rolling Earthquake. Still, since this isn't a casual forum, I can't see how that could be relevant.
This deck actually performs pretty well in casual metas imo if...
When playing in a casual/random meta, go...
-4 Blood Moon (Magus of the Moon is fine against the occasional nonbasic filled deck).
+4 Taurean Mauler/Sulfur Elemental (whichever you don't already play 4 copies of).
Up the Jitte count too, and you're set.
Hell, if it's super casual (mana curves of 3+), play Razormane Masticore or Rorix over Chalices.
You'll still lose to the occasional pox deck, but then again, most top tier decks do.
//Lands
10 Mountain
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
//Creatures
1 Rorix Bladewing
3 Covetous Dragon
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Dragon Whelp
3 Taurean Mauler (it is a Dragon after all)
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Magus of the Moon
//Spells
4 Seething Song
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Blood Moon
2 Trinisphere
2 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Chrome Mox
This deck list is for Mercenarybdu, it is designed to make use of Dragon Stompies best cards (i.e. the Lock pieces) while at the same time making use of Dragon cards. It is I think a far superior build to the deck that he has been trying to pass off as a Dragon themed stompy deck, at least this version maintains the Stompy clause in the Dragon Stompy deck, while also attempting to add more Dragons to the list.
I hope it is well recieved.
"He's like fire and ice and rage. He's like the night, and the storm in the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever... He burns at the center of time and he can see the turn of the universe... and... he's wonderful."
Unless you want to test Dragonspeaker Shaman or Kilnmouth Dragon, putting more Dragons in DS for the sole reason that they're Dragons is a purely masturbatory activity.
YOU'RE GIVING ME A TIME MACHINE IN ORDER TO TREAT MY SLEEP DISORDER.
I agree 100% with you, I was merely trying to find a comprimise with this person. Trying to make his deck better than it was originally. In otherwords, I was trying to maintain the Stompy concept of the Dragon Stompy deck, while attempting to give him a deck that utilizes Dragons to the best of my ability. However I still do not think that a deck that utilizes Dragons to such a great extent has any place in competitive play.
"He's like fire and ice and rage. He's like the night, and the storm in the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever... He burns at the center of time and he can see the turn of the universe... and... he's wonderful."
Dragonstorm
In any event I think that Covetous dragon may actualy have a place in the deck but it would be highly debated. The only reason being it flies ove for 3 turns but is fundumentaly a turn slower then slogger
I c h o r i d - my anti blue
Manaless Ichorid- At least its cheeper than standard.
We admit for the sake of the exercise that following is true:
Landstill > Fromat
Non-Basic Hate > Landstill
Basics > Non-Basic Hate
We can therefore logically conlude that
Basics > Format
That was my thinking as well....
"He's like fire and ice and rage. He's like the night, and the storm in the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever... He burns at the center of time and he can see the turn of the universe... and... he's wonderful."
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