[Deck Choice] Help me choose a deck

[undone]

The hardest part of playing Dredge is counter-sideboarding and the rest is just knowing what to pitch and the order of casting things and remembering to bring back Ichorid and beat face. If you are unfamiliar with the typical Dredge hate and how to fight through it (which it does not do all so well) don't play it.

Lets just put it this way. I know what about 80% of legacy decks board for Ichorid, these include extirpate, crypt and a few leyline and some thresh board 0 cards. As to reading what they are boarding. I have played ichorid in small tornies since the day Bridge from below graced my eyes. I am glad it didnt degenerate but Im somewhat scared off by a random player boarding 8 cards. Because in this format, its rare to go for the imp beatdown. (best story ever then return to thread)

Turn 0 opponent slaps down 3x leyline with no mull.
him T1 gargadon suspend (gargatings)
me T1 NEEDLE GARGADON.

I get up to 4 lands, he gets up to 10, AND HARD CASTS 3 GARGADONS WHILE THE OTHER ONE IS SUSPENDED. I have 3 stinkweed imps in play to block 3. I let him swing in. Kill 3. Chain of vapor 1, and then with damage on E truth my stikweed imps. Durring this game I manage to deal with 5 HARD CASTED GARGADONS with the all powerful stinkweed pimp.

/end story


Thats what I dont like about legacy Theres no reason to do the man plan if you dont get the mana(need at least 3!) which will never happen running so few lands. Dont get me wrong the deck is amazeing but in an unknown metagame I would hate to see myself hated out of the format. (has happened) I might play it anyway simply because its so much fun. But then so is TES. LANDSTILL IS SO MUCH FUN. But honestly I think you will probably burn out even if you dont think so playing till time matches each round gives you like 5 min to get food and such.

[fredk]

I didn´t read all the posts but that burnout thing with landstill isn´t true except you are an Ape ;) Every mediocore player (like me) can train and learn and get a really good landstill-pilot. When i picked up the 3c ls first I lost to goblins often but since I´ve learned a lot from these losses today I can say that I got a positiv goblin matchup because I play better.

As a guy who just recently started looking into getting into 1.5 I can say another nice thing about the Vorosh landstill list that was pointed out to me by Der Imagianar Freund (sorry for the spelling if you're watching) is that so many cards are staple cards that aren't dead ends if you decide to switch to some other deck archetype. They hold their value well if you decide to trade/sell them. You'll fork out a lot for the list, but it will hopefully be more of an investment than just dead money if you change your mind. Also, it feels really cool to sort your deck and look at all those money cards.

I just finished assembling the list yesterday after a couple of months and am looking forward to getting mauled at my local 1.5 tournament this weekend!

[Shugyosha]

All of the listed decks are viable. Play what you like most. If you have fun playing a deck you will play better and have more fun in the event unless you play MTG just for winning. If that's the case play combo.

[undone]

I Will probably play either Ichorid, or possibly TES/FT Personaly TES/FT I am only afrade of 1 card, im confident if I dont see it I will not lose all day (a match) and that is Cbalance. Unfortuneatly Im confident that I will see it at some point. Game 2 Im fine but Its difficult to play the deck. I was thinking Enchantress combo might be inteseresting if i can get it together.

Also if testing proves that Landstill doesnt take 30 years and 356 days to compleate a game I could play that still (UBG/w)

[Shtriga]

you can put enchantress together for relatively cheap. it's probably not as good as any of the decks you claim to have access to though. it's good fun though

[Zach Tartell]

you can put enchantress together for relatively cheap. it's probably not as good as any of the decks you claim to have access to though. it's good fun though

Not worth the investment. Like twelve of the 75 cards in the deck have applications elsewhere.

[Guy I Don't Know]

Threshold is a good starting place because the deck is incredibly straightforward, has been at least decent since GP Philly, and will stay that way for a good time. Also, it has all the cards that are needed for other decks if you decide to play them.

[undone]

Is solidaridy any good still, all im missing is 4 reset. I know I am playing combo, and Im also building enchantress bloom a deck a friend made, which is really good involving enchantress with 4 Cadav bloom and 1 drain life and 1 tendrils. Also the only thing I really want to know is what are the combo decks and why/why arent they compedative heres a list of ones I know of (I Consider enchantress combo, because it kind of is) and ones i know of I have built mostly.

TES
FT
IGGy PoP(not very good)
Belcher(meh?)
Ichorid
Ceph breakfast
Life

Thats all I know of/ have built, Assume Im the best player in the world (im clearly not) But I have legacy built in terms of staple cards and such, and I am rather fast on the uptake.

[Shtriga]

at this point you should decide which deck to play with, based on your own personal preference. finding out which one you have the most fun, and play it.

you're not preparing for a pro tour where there's 40k $ at stake, enjoyment should be your #1 priority. besides people have suggested like 10 decks already, and you've shot down all of them

you seem a big adept of combo decks, I'm no combo expert, but you can battle through the hate with a deck like TES or ichorid. they're still vulnerable to disruption, but you have the answers if you can pilot them well. go for it?

[undone]

No but there are rather good prizes for this torny. I was curious more as to the thoughts on what deck was best to take into a totaly random metagame? It doesnt seem to be combo honestly. An unknown amount of hate is something I would rather not pilot. I would like to play (SIGH) the counterbalance top if I had the option of doing so. I can play thresh, what version of thresh runs this MD though? do any?

[TheRock]

In a totally random metagame, Ichorid will either be a gold mine or a land mine. The players will either be ready for it in their sideboards or they won't be all that prepared. You might be able to pick up some hints by listening to hear what other players are doing, but that doesn't always work.

AfFoWnity is another deck that I find very few people to be prepared for. Even if they can really handle original Affinity builds, their decks will only be moderately prepared for the tricks that the deck uses. The real question is whether you would feel comfortable playing it on a relatively short notice or not, but there is plenty of insight in the Dreadnought Affinity topic to help you out.

As for Threshold, quite a few UGb Threshold decks run CB maindeck because they have the Thoughtseizes to help protect it and get it online. That doesn't mean that all of them do though. In addition, Thoughtseize is just wonderful against totally random decks, letting you remove the dangerous cards and letting you see what is coming all at the same time. Keep in mind that any Threshold deck can run CounterTop, but if you would like to use that engine, having black in the build would definitely be the way to go in an unknown metagame.

Regardless of this, the key is having fun without making it any less enjoyable for anybody else. Well, unless they don't like seeing Counterbalance or Ichorid and then that's just too bad. :)

[undone]

I think I am going to test out Not Quite survival(its compedative right?), it seems rather good as you get to run 4 CB 3 top and 3 survival. Seems like your just playing better threshold.

[Lego]

I think I am going to test out Not Quite survival(its compedative right?), it seems rather good as you get to run 4 CB 3 top and 3 survival. Seems like your just playing better threshold.

That's probably a terrible choice. Talk to Nevery Easty about it. It seems the deck tries to do two things, and doesn't do either of them as well as the originals. Pick one or the other.

[diffy]

It seems the deck tries to do two things, and doesn't do either of them as well as the originals. Pick one or the other.

NQS isn't a bad deck, you just need a lot of experience with it to do well: there are just so many choices to be made each turn and so many possibilities to screw things up.
Also, to clear something up: the hybridized concept was actually just included in order to have access to more broken engines when you happen to not have one of the standard NQG Engines (read: CounterTop, Dark Confidant) running which makes the deck more flexible and more powerful. For sure you don't have the same silver bullets as a standard Survival Deck has, but that's more because you don't need them than anything else: just get out more Goyfs and the eventual random removal/Wonder/Genesis/counter and beat face - that random Artefact/Enchantment that will eventually pop up can still be handled by your counters, right? Survival isn't meant to be a source of control in this deck but rather something to support your aggro-gameplan. You aren't reliant on it, it's just good when you have it as it ups the amount of scary turn2 plays you have... just like Counterbalance or Dark Confidant.
Also, the point that you're doing something worse than standard NQG is moot: you still have your consistent cantrip/cheap dudes/free counters shell but trade some protection/utility (no Thoughtseize) for more brokenness.

For referrence, here's the thread featuring more explanations.

That being said, I still wouldn't recommend the deck to someone who hasn't spent lots of time preparing and testing with it - amongst others because the deck is rather inefficient in terms of effort/reward ratios.