[Discussion] Crazy Contortions With Hybrid Mana

[Illissius]

I recently found this deck, and it amused me highly. Basically, it's a Survival deck which splashes -- yes, splashes -- for Demigod of frickin' Revenge. It's always been obvious that you could play a hybrid card in a deck based in either of its colors -- what hasn't been as obvious, and what the creator of this deck noticed, is that you could also play one in a deck which is based in neither of its colors, but which splashes heavily for both. And this is possible with any hybrid card, in any combination of three colors.

So the question is -- what other cards might you want to do this with, and from which third color? Because I'm unimaginative, the first two thoughts which come to mind are a Ubr deck with Intuition which splashes for Demigods, and a Ubw deck for Divinity of Pride, but I'm sure there's others.

[Nihil Credo]

A problem is that playing a HHHHH card with both colours being splashes involves five dual lands. Which kinda goes against the whole "Thou shalt not needlessly make a mockery of thy manabase" commandment.

[freakish777]

A problem is that playing a HHHHH card with both colours being splashes involves five dual lands. Which kinda goes against the whole "Thou shalt not needlessly make a mockery of thy manabase" commandment.

This isn't as big a problem with Demigod of Revenge though...

"Oh, you play Magus of the Moon? Alright, I play Demigod of Revenge off 5 red..."

It obviously is a problem against Wasteland.

[Kadaj]

People don't play enough lands as it is, and now you want us to use some of them to splash for a HHHHH thingy?

Oi vey.

[Holiday]

Which kinda goes against the whole "Thou shalt not needlessly make a mockery of thy manabase" commandment.

Is there really a list of Legacy commandments???
Do they have it translated to LOLCatsBible format yet???

[Illissius]

A problem is that playing a HHHHH card with both colours being splashes involves five dual lands. Which kinda goes against the whole "Thou shalt not needlessly make a mockery of thy manabase" commandment.

Well, I think the point is that even HHHHH can be done. Eight fetchlands and eight duals is 16 sources, add a few basics, a few more fetchlands, and/or a few more sources from, er, other sources, and pretty soon the number of sources you have is pretty large. That Survival deck was also helped along by Birds of Paradise; and other decks can have other means. So for instance, instead of five duals, you could have two basics, two duals, and a Bird. (Though fetching for basics from a splash color gets harder if all three aren't allies.)

And not all hybrid cards cost HHHHH. In fact, quite a lot of them don't.

[Anusien]

Having lands that don't tap for Green in a Survival deck has always been huge frowns for me.

Then again, if you have Survival and five lands, you can often just win with something like Painter instead of Demigod. I've tried before, and getting five lands in play and having Demigod still be relevant is tough (Daze + StP would be a heartbreaker to see from Survival, for example).

[Illissius]

Yeah, the Survival deck was interesting to me for the crazy mana, not the specific interaction. If you have something like 9 mana to Survival away three Demigods and play the last one, there's a variety of ways you can win. Then again, 9 mana is competitive with the other Survival combos (as seen in the Survival thread), and a Demigod isn't the worst thing in the world to manually draw and hardcast, so maybe it's not entirely bad.

[Obfuscate Freely]

I'm not sure that it makes sense for a double-splash to support a card with HHHHH in it's casting cost. You're still talking about five colored mana symbols. I mean, you would never expect to play a card that costs in a base-green deck, would you? How much difference does it make that you can pay for it, as well?

I guess there is some truth to this when you're talking about more reasonable hybrid costs, though. A card that costs HHH could probably be supported fine by a manabase that splashes both of its colors.

[MattH]

G/u/w survival with Savannahs and Trops could play Plumeveil.

...which won't kill a goyf. Ugh.

Augury Adept? Probably not, although it's a nice draw engine for Survival which doesn't constrain you the way Confidant does.

Dominus of Fealty is probably more mana than it's worth, although boy if it won't win a race.

Maybe Duergar Hedge-Mage, except it cuts you off of black and blue, which are the disruption colors.

Is there any good way to use Hearthfire Hobgoblin? (5c Gaea's Zoo redux, with real duals?)

Cemetary Puca, however, seems the most interesting of all. I will ruminate on this.