The Adept System (SB)

[Peter_Rotten]

I don't have to. Let's say you are looking in the Ichorid thread. You have JoeSchmoe with ten posts on the source, joined a week ago, and you have IBA both posting in that thread. Joe has some oddball suggestion never been tested suggestion and it doesn't see the ligh of day. But if IBA(or any other Adept, IBA is just cooler) post that same thing 10 pages later they are suddenly revered as the Ichorid redesigner.

This is a lazy and lame argument. You don't have to prove your points? To illustrate, let's use your logic for two other situations.

1. "Hi, honey. I'm breaking up with you because you're cheating on me. I can't and won't prove it, but I know."
2. There is a teacup floating in Earth's orbit. Can I prove it? Nope. But I know it's there.

And you've done it again. You made a claim that you can't support with proof.

Can you honestly say that you look at JoeSchmoe's post with the same credibility as IBA's? WHy? because of his join date? Post count? Name Color?

I guarantee JoeShmoe's post is judged by its content - just like I judge any IBA post I read.

The only way to test it is to have an Adept that knows his shit but has ben sorta forgotten, change his name, strip his color, and make him join today, with 5 posts. That would be how I test it.

Any Adept volunteers or any that you can recommend? PM me for the supersecret experiment. And who the Hell fixed you post count? I'll go change some random member's now to continue the experiment.

[Tenant_Tron]

One of my teammates had over 1200 posts here before he got banned for no real reason a little while back, and I know most of his posts werent taken seriously and he would never have been promoted to Adept because of personal vendettas some of the Mods had against him, so I can see where there is bias in the system and how that may upset some people. Not sure if a change is really warranted, though.

Also, I agree with The Rack, even though you cant "prove" it (PR, repeating "prove it" over and over is really a copout arguement), people of course will read a long rant by Jack Elgin with several thousand posts and a different colored name over Joe Random's post, I mean ask around for Christ's sake...even I did that when I first joined the site and still am guilty of this to an extent.

T.T

[Nightmare]

So I pretty much hate this thread now, and by extention, this site. Just letting you guys know.

[frogboy]

One of my teammates had over 1200 posts here before he got banned for no real reason a little while back, and I know most of his posts werent taken seriously and he would never have been promoted to Adept because of personal vendettas some of the Mods had against him, so I can see where there is bias in the system and how that may upset some people.

Who?

[Finn]

Round and round.....
This topic grows tiring. Any chance you lock it just because?

[Whit3 Ghost]

By the looks of things, TMD seems to be going through a change in their promotion methods. I rather liked their previous idea of a promotion exam as it makes thing a little more public. It will be interesting to see what they decide to do.

[frogboy]

It's becoming unwieldy, but we generally don't lock threads like these as long as people are making legitimate posts as opposed to that FUCK THE MODS thread from a while ago.

[Tenant_Tron]

Who?

My boy Bovinious from NoVa, from what he told me at least 3 of the Mods/Admins here really went out of their way to make it unpoleasant for him, and Bardo banned him for something that wasnt even an infraction by the rationalization Bardo gave. That's not really the point though, I was just making the point that there is bias involved in becoming an Adept and its not just related to post count, and I can see how that inherent bias could frustrate people.

T.T

[Deep6er]

You LIKED that fucktard?

I'm not going to lie, much less respect for you now. I'm sorry, but that guy is a complete fuckwit.

Also, that assmunch totally deserved it. Besides being retarded, that pissing contest that he got into with Cavius OVER PITCH WORLD OF ALL THINGS, was an abomination that was completely, unnecessarily over the top. He'd been warned before.

It's just following the rules.

Also, I hate that guy. In case that wasn't obvious.

[Peter_Rotten]

One of my teammates had over 1200 posts here before he got banned for no real reason a little while back, and I know most of his posts werent taken seriously and he would never have been promoted to Adept because of personal vendettas some of the Mods had against him, so I can see where there is bias in the system and how that may upset some people. Not sure if a change is really warranted, though.

Also, I agree with The Rack, even though you cant "prove" it (PR, repeating "prove it" over and over is really a copout arguement), people of course will read a long rant by Jack Elgin with several thousand posts and a different colored name over Joe Random's post, I mean ask around for Christ's sake...even I did that when I first joined the site and still am guilty of this to an extent.

T.T

And how the hell is asking someone to prove a claim considered a copout? Ok, ok, maybe when we're hunting for witches, communists, or terrorists suspicion is enough to convict, but generally speaking, if you make a claim you don't expect it to be taken seriously without proof.

Let me illustrate how ridiculous this is. Since we don't need to prove anything, you're Cavius. Admit it since it's obvious. How are you evading the IP ban? No matter, I'll go ban this account.








(Just kidding.) It's obvious that you are A Priest of Gix. Go back to your emo blog. Either way, you're evading a site ban and will be banned again.










(Just kidding) Also, since you took TheRack's side, you must be in a communistic terrorist coven hell-bent on dethroning the elite ruling class of the Source. Admit it or be site-banned.

But seriously. Are you Cavius or APOG?

But seriously, if you make a claim - especially one that may be disparaging, be able to defend and support it with proof.

[Tenant_Tron]

You LIKED that fucktard?

I'm not going to lie, much less respect for you now. I'm sorry, but that guy is a complete fuckwit.

Also, that assmunch totally deserved it. Besides being retarded, that pissing contest that he got into with Cavius OVER PITCH WORLD OF ALL THINGS, was an abomination that was completely, unnecessarily over the top. He'd been warned before.

It's just following the rules.

Also, I hate that guy. In case that wasn't obvious.

This is exactly the type of thing I was talking about above. Thank you for proving my point gracious stranger.

T.T

[frogboy]

My boy Bovinious from NoVa, from what he told me at least 3 of the Mods/Admins here really went out of their way to make it unpoleasant for him, and Bardo banned him for something that wasnt even an infraction by the rationalization Bardo gave.

He got banned for trolling and flaming. We didn't ban him for being unbelievably stupid, despite all my arguments to the contrary.

edit: there was definitely bias, though. Because he was unbelievably stupid, no one wanted to listen to him.

[Peter_Rotten]

Also, I hate that guy. In case that wasn't obvious.

And this is why we banned him. Remember that. All it takes is for one Gearhart (who counts as two Adepts or 1/2 an Elgin - you do the math) to get you banned. We decided that it's much easier than following any sort of set policy.

[Tenant_Tron]

And how the hell is asking someone to prove a claim considered a copout? Ok, ok, maybe when we're hunting for witches, communists, or terrorists suspicion is enough to convict, but generally speaking, if you make a claim you don't expect it to be taken seriously without proof.

Let me illustrate how ridiculous this is. Since we don't need to prove anything, you're Cavius. Admit it since it's obvious. How are you evading the IP ban? No matter, I'll go ban this account.








(Just kidding.) It's obvious that you are A Priest of Gix. Go back to your emo blog. Either way, you're evading a site ban and will be banned again.










(Just kidding) Also, since you took TheRack's side, you must be in a communistic terrorist coven hell-bent on dethroning the elite ruling class of the Source. Admit it or be site-banned.

But seriously. Are you Cavius or APOG?

But seriously, if you make a claim - especially one that may be disparaging, be able to defend and support it with proof.

In general I agree that things should be proven, but the claim The Rack made would be a very hard thing to "prove", but makes a lot of sense if you think about it and I would think is common knowledge. I mean we could have a poll and see how many people take Adept posts more seriously, which by extension means taking non-Adept posts less seriously, I would actually be very interested in the results.

And no, I am not Cavius or APOG, I dont even know who that 2nd one is.

T.T

[frogboy]

I mean we could have a poll and see how many people take Adept posts more seriously, which by extension means taking non-Adept posts less seriously, I would actually be very interested in the results.

You keep saying this like it's a bad thing. I definitely listen to the smart people more than the not smart people in any endeavor.

[Tenant_Tron]

He got banned for trolling and flaming. We didn't ban him for being unbelievably stupid, despite all my arguments to the contrary.

edit: there was definitely bias, though. Because he was unbelievably stupid, no one wanted to listen to him.

And this is why we banned him. Remember that. All it takes is for one Gearhart (who counts as two Adepts or 1/2 an Elgin - you do the math) to get you banned. We decided that it's much easier than following any sort of set policy.

Sigh. This is again exactly the type of personal bias I was talking about. Expect threads like this every so often as long as you continue to treat people like this, because as I said before it tends to frustrate people, apparently a lot of people. I guess thats all I have to say on this matter.

T.T

EDIT:

You keep saying this like it's a bad thing. I definitely listen to the smart people more than the not smart people in any endeavor.

Well first off you are making the assumption the Adept/Mod/Admin is smarter than the random, which isnt only not necessarily true, but pretty damn arrogant. Its sounds like you agree with me though that of course people listen to Adepts more because of the perceived superiority you speak of, yet PR denies that this happens, so clearly some people deny that this obvious "phenomenon" occurs...

Seriously though, a poll.

[Peter_Rotten]

(Just kidding) Also, since you took TheRack's side, you must be in a communistic terrorist coven hell-bent on dethroning the elite ruling class of the Source. Admit it or be site-banned.

Funny thing is that the site went down for after I posted this! That's proof enough, no?

So we have a claim that is tough to prove so we just have to take your word for it?

[Peter_Rotten]

Seriously though, a poll

Nobody is stopping you from making one. But seriously. Who are you? Which former member are you? BigAdam5?

Since you only have 45 posts, I'm having a tough time taking you seriously.

[frogboy]

This is again exactly the type of personal bias I was talking about. Expect threads like this every so often as long as you continue to treat people like this, because as I said before it tends to frustrate people, apparently a lot of people. I guess thats all I have to say on this matter.

We actually got a lot of people asking us to ban him because of the bias. We didn't. He got banned for breaking the rules, not because anyone disliked him. PR's post was pretty obviously sarcastic. In fact, the fact that everyone hated him was the reason he actually got a little bit of leeway; once we decided not to ban him for being an idiot, we wanted to make sure we weren't just projecting.

edit:

Since you only have 45 posts, I'm having a tough time taking you seriously.

this was money.

[Tenant_Tron]

Nobody is stopping you from making one. But seriously. Who are you? Which former member are you? BigAdam5?

Since you only have 45 posts, I'm having a tough time taking you seriously.

Fine, I will make the damn poll. And again no....I am not "BigAdam5", again no clue who this guy is. What makes you so sure Im a former member anyways?