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    Re: [DTB] ChubStill (56 Land 4 Spore Frog.dec!)

    Omg. Anurid Brushhopper. Overrun.

    4 Chub Toad
    4 Anurid Brushhopper
    4 Bloated Toad
    3 Anurid Barkripper
    4 Spore Frog

    4 Overrun
    4 Glorious Anthem
    4 Shared Triumph
    2 Crusade
    1 Coat of Arms
    1 Mirari's Wake

    4 Savannah
    4 Windswept Heath
    3 Ancient Tomb
    2 Plains
    8 Forest
    4 ESG


    Overrun is probably the best thing to happen to frogs since Chub Toad.

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    Re: [DTB] ChubStill (56 Land 4 Spore Frog.dec!)

    Quote Originally Posted by troopatroop View Post
    Overrun is probably the best thing to happen to frogs since Chub Toad.
    It paints a nice picture in my head. Trampling giant frogs. Lovely. This kind of stuff inspires for great movies.
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    Re: [DTB] ChubStill (56 Land 4 Spore Frog.dec!)

    Well, September 1st has come and past and no banning so I guess that means at least 3 more months of this metachubb. After all the speculation this time around, and the utter domination in T8 lists around the world, you think wizards would finally get the message. Can you think of any other creature that warps the format more?

    1)Its 3cc so it is impossible to Counterbalance because nobody runs 3cc cards, and it dodges chalice at 1, 2, and 7.
    2)It blocks Lackey like a pro, and tackles Mongoose no problem, so your Goblins and Threshold matchups are through the roof.
    3)It completely gets around Meekstone, meaning half of the field now has 4 dead slots in their board.
    4)It counts as a frog so Engineered Plague is dead because, lets face it, nobody ever names frogs with plague. Have you ever seen someone name frogs? Thought not.
    5)Reprisal? Pfft.

    This means that if my opponents have any of the above cards in their deck, then there might be a slight chance that my cards will give me a nominal advantage, virtually guaranteeing victory. This makes playing Chubb almost automatic. Why would you want to put any thought into what you are doing, and actually play something good, when you can just throw 4 Chub Toad into any random deck and beat face?

    But maybe its not all bad. Chubb had become one of those format defining cards, like Rysorian Badger in Vintage, and it would be hard to imagine a legacy metagame without Chub Toad setting the curve. It's a brave new world, folks. I, for one, welcome our new amphibian overlord. Besides, changing things would actually take some effort, so screw that.
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    Re: [DTB] ChubStill (56 Land 4 Spore Frog.dec!)

    Quote Originally Posted by xsockmonkeyx View Post
    1)Its 3cc so it is impossible to Counterbalance because nobody runs 3cc cards, and it dodges chalice at 1, 2, and 7.
    Yeah I often set my Chalice@7 because of Arkroma's Memorial. I always hate it when the opponent then sneaks in a Chubb. Sometimes I set Chalice@16; incase Nourishing Lich comes by and tries to hardcast an Autochton Worm...The Chubb also dodges that one!

    Quote Originally Posted by xsockmonkeyx View Post
    But maybe its not all bad. Chubb had become one of those format defining cards, like Rysorian Badger in Vintage, and it would be hard to imagine a legacy metagame without Chub Toad setting the curve.
    ChubbStompy has driven the stompy lands to insane prices. People seek refuge in Crystal Vein. Sometimes it looks like the whole world is going crazy, all because of The Chubb. Can anyone really remember what it was like before this precious gem was discovered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeggi View Post
    Yeah I often set my Chalice@7 because of Arkroma's Memorial. I always hate it when the opponent then sneaks in a Chubb. Sometimes I set Chalice@16; incase Nourishing Lich comes by and tries to hardcast an Autochton Worm...The Chubb also dodges that one!



    ChubbStompy has driven the stompy lands to insane prices. People seek refuge in Crystal Vein. Sometimes it looks like the whole world is going crazy, all because of The Chubb. Can anyone really remember what it was like before this precious gem was discovered?
    Yes it was a day in which Roodmistah and Myself where digging through his box of every cards in magic (no joke there are Loti in there) and we came across a card that we knew would change the face of magic forever.
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    Re: [DTB] ChubStill (56 Land 4 Spore Frog.dec!)

    I meant what the meta was like...before...y'know... Not who discovered It or how

    Edit: had to spell 'it' with a capital I because it's a reference to The Chubb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeggi View Post
    I meant what the meta was like...before...y'know... Not who discovered It or how

    Edit: had to spell 'it' with a capital I because it's a reference to The Chubb.
    Well the meta was slow and boring obviously, Goblins was the "Speedy" deck of the meta... Also you didn't have people cowering in fear at the dropping of a card. [Except in that T1 side no proxy side event at a tournament When Hammafistroob was playing Goblins and Hardcasted a Hammerfist Giant ftw]
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    I've got a Chubby going...


    ...Toad, that is! It's coming to Hadley. The bastard Toad of a hundred maniacs is ready to take it all down!

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    LOL oh mah god dude I hope you seriously go undefeated.
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    Re: [DTB] ChubStill (56 Land 4 Spore Frog.dec!)

    Why is this deck still in N&D?

    Also, I heard a rumor they are printing artifact frogs in Alara.

    Did they not learn from the brokenness of The Chub?
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    Re: [DTB] ChubStill (56 Land 4 Spore Frog.dec!)

    Since we have been all amazed and discussing of the game-breaking play of Chub toad, i went ahead with the theory that a deck that maximizes its ability to search out chub toad has to be the strongest deck in Legacy yet. So here's my list. I present you:



    44Chubs.dec
    Who said you couldn't play 44 Chubs?

    Lands: 16
    4 Mutavaults
    4 Windswept Heath
    4 Bayou
    4 Savannah

    Creatures: 7
    4 Spore Frog
    3 Chub Toad

    Searching for chub Toad: 37
    4 Summoner's Pact
    4 Sylvan Tutor
    4 Worldly Tutor
    4 Eladamri's Call
    4 Chord of Calling
    4 Bifurcate
    4 Pattern of Rebirth
    4 Living Wish
    3 Assembly Hall
    2 Tooth and Nail

    Sideboard:
    4 Defense of the Heart
    1 Chub Toad
    4 Chalice of the Void
    4 Swords to Plowshares
    2 Tarmogoyf


    Deck explanations:
    1. Chub = Epic win. No one denys the fact that a Chub Toad signals the win of a game. The only reason you would lose if he comes out is if you really don't know how to play MTG or that you were facing the mirror. Since Chubs are beginning to appear more frequently in the meta, we need a deck that is chub-resilient and chub-consistent. I run 3 chubs, but as you can see, there's a potential 37+3 = 40 chubs for the 40 cards that I draw in my 60 card deck. That means I have a guaranteed average of 3-4 chubs in every hand I play!
    2. 4 Spore frogs: To stall the game for 3 turns if your opponent happens to play turn 1 Ancient Tomb + Elvish Spirit Guide into a chub. This allows you to stall until you get your chub out.
    3. 4 Mutavaults: see point 2.
    4. The manabase is consistent, as the deck requires only green. This deck needs a white splash to enable a wicked end of turn 2 eladamri's Call into a Chub on turn 3 with almost 100% consistency.

    The searches are obvious:
    -4 Summoner's Pact: Why pay for the upkeep cost when you can win the game if chub comes out? Definitely a 4-of. The instant speed and low cost helps enable wicked turn 0 wins.
    -4 Sylvan Tutor and 4 Worldly Tutor: they work the same way if you don't have a turn one play with Spore frog.
    -4 Eladamri's call: perhaps the best creature tutor in MTG
    -4 Living Wish: Self explanatory, as seen in many Chub.dec that run a potential 7 chubs with this card.
    -4 Chord of Calling: For the late game tutor when you're chub-stalled, or chub-stilled.
    -4 Bifurcate: the most broken card in the deck in my opinion. Searching out a second chub when that lone chub is raping your opponent's face? And read the card: bifurcate puts the chub into PLAY. You get one more chub than your opponent. There's no way you can lose now.
    -4 Pattern of Rebirth: This is the heart of the deck. it's a secret tech developed by Stephen Menedian and me when we're debating on how to exploit the gifts of Spore Frog. Enchant Spore frog with Rebirth, and sac at instant speed to tutor out a chub into play. It's a must counter for your opponents, and gives you a better and more unexpected win condition. Best MTG tech ever developed in the last 20 years!
    -3 Assembly Hall: This is a less used card. but seriously. If you're faced with heavy chub mirros or heavy discard/control. Asembly Hall makes the late game better. It also allows you to search out 3 chubs and play them consecutively. Some may just put this in the side board. Personally, I think a 5cc artifact with a 4cc activation cost to find a card that has the same name in your hand is one of the better artifacts in MTG. Clearly beats the card advantage in Sensei's top.
    -2 Tooth and Nail: Now we're talking. All these cards above only searches or plays chub one at a time. There's always a risk that you lose a chub to another chub (if your opponents dared to block the chub that is!) But Tooth and Nail allows you to put 2 chubs out in one moment of time, making it one of the most intimidating plays ever.

    In summary, I've developed this deck, to exploit the power of the broken chub. Chub should have been banned. I don't understand why they banned Flash in Legacy and failed to see how powerful this godly creature does. It's warping the format and it's unhealthy to see decks splash him. He's so easy to splash and his combat tricks confuses so many people, allowing him to sneak in easy wins all by himself. Therefore this deck is developed with the theory that finding and putting chubs in play is the way to win any Legacy tourney.

    The deck is in its initial stages. Please comment ^^

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    Re: [DTB] ChubStill (56 Land 4 Spore Frog.dec!)

    God, that's so broken. Im selling off all my other Magic cards now while they still have value. Seriously ppl, the sky is falling.
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    That deck is da broken shit.

    Seriously, 3-4 Chubs in average hand?!?!

    I cannot recover from the awesomeness of this deck.

    Ps. I'll let you guys in on the next level of Chubbiness:
    Since Chub is starting to seriously warp the format, and different variations of Chub-mirror are getting increasingly common, I've developed the Next Level Chub.

    I do not want to reveal a decklist at this point, but I'll just let you know that it includes Vexing Shusher to help forcing the Chub through (some people think FoW is the best answer to a Chub, since when it landed - you lost), and then The Tech: Cranial Extraction !
    You rfg the opponents Chubs, and then proceed to win trough pure Chub-advantage.
    This will make the opponents total Chub-count only 4 (they obviously play Living Wish), and you should be able to easily handle that with your 20+ Chubs.

    This is btw one of the reasons why you should never, ever drop Living Wishes, if you get Extracted yourself, it's your only hope of lucksacking a win.

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    Re: [DTB] ChubStill (56 Land 4 Spore Frog.dec!)

    The official Chubstill primer is out.

    Behold.
    Last edited by xsockmonkeyx; 10-02-2008 at 10:38 PM. Reason: damn you tfa
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    Re: [DTB] ChubStill (56 Land 4 Spore Frog.dec!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeggi View Post
    Yeah I often set my Chalice@7 because of Arkroma's Memorial. I always hate it when the opponent then sneaks in a Chubb. Sometimes I set Chalice@16; incase Nourishing Lich comes by and tries to hardcast an Autochton Worm...The Chubb also dodges that one!
    Actually Autochton Wurm dodges Chalice/16 as well.

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    Re: [DTB] ChubStill (56 Land 4 Spore Frog.dec!)

    But Draco doesn't. Dracoplosion's sideboarding plan consisting of

    4 Dark Ritual
    4 Seething Song
    4 Rite of Flame
    3 Cabal Ritual

    can't be used anymore. :/
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    Re: [DTB] ChubStill (56 Land 4 Spore Frog.dec!)

    I tryed crz'list and I was so impressed that I decided to test 10 games against old flash decks....
    How disappointed I was chub deck won 7-3. Is it time to ban chub or to unban flash? I think we have to pm wizards to do something the format is more and more play chub or lose.

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    Re: [DTB] ChubStill (56 Land 4 Spore Frog.dec!)

    On another Chub, I actually own a playset of the Chubb. But I'm too scared to use them all in the same deck because I actually do like losing a game every once in a while.
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    Re: [DTB] ChubStill (56 Land 4 Spore Frog.dec!)

    I can't believe you guys aren't playing 4 Serum Powder too. It wasn't even mentioned in the primer?

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