[Deck] TES - The EPIC Storm

[Dark_Cynic87]

What do you mean Bargain isn't legal? If you mean Cruel Bargain, you are sadly mistaken...

And FT would NEVER even CONSIDER Slithermuse. We are slower. We also run 8x pieces of disruption MD with absolutely no reliance on blind draw-4s or draw-7s, and have no reason to fear graveyard hate, and never have to wish for a win-con. But hey, I suppose if you favor speed over consistancy and reliability...

And 3BB seems sucky (just so this isn't considered flaming).

Pce,

--DC

[m03]

What do you mean Bargain isn't legal? If you mean Cruel Bargain, you are sadly mistaken...

He means Yawgmoth's Bargain.

[dlevsApiJ]

What do you mean Bargain isn't legal? If you mean Cruel Bargain, you are sadly mistaken...

Yawgmoth’s Bargain

EDIT: woops, to slow..

[Bryant Cook]

Shards of Alara card:

Ad Nauseum -- 3BB -- Instant

Reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. You lose life equal to its converted mana cost. You may repeat this process any number of times.


Ad Nauseum...*sigh*...that is a lovely card. Forget Bargain (which isn't even legal), draw on opponent's EoT at instant speed and win when you untap with 15 cards in hand!

peace,
4eak

I'll be adding this card to TES. Right now it'll be replacing Slithermuse. I'm unsure on how many I'd like to play.

[thefreakaccident]

I'll be adding this card to TES. Right now it'll be replacing Slithermuse. I'm unsure on how many I'd like to play.

Try four, maybe five if you can get away with it.

[undone]

This card is so good you should run 8, 4 being crappy -1 CA instants.

I wanted to see your reaction to this card I am in the process of goldfishing it right now.

[Mayk0l]

4eak:
Ad Nauseum...*sigh*...that is a lovely card. Forget Bargain (which isn't even legal), draw on opponent's EoT at instant speed and win when you untap with 15 cards in hand!

Getting to five mana would probably force you to use Dark Ritual or SSG to cast it EOT. So you might as well cast it in your own and use the Storm. It probably won't matter much, but it would require you to draw less cards for equal storm and thus save on on the lifeloss a bit.

[4eak]

Getting to five mana would probably force you to use Dark Ritual or SSG to cast it EOT. So you might as well cast it in your own and use the Storm. It probably won't matter much, but it would require you to draw less cards for equal storm and thus save on on the lifeloss a bit.

Aye. In practice, you might as well just go for the throat and play it during your mainphase. There are a few times when EoT matters, but as you said, ramping to cast the spell in the first place puts you in a good position to try and win right there.



peace,
4eak

[Dark_Cynic87]

After taking a moment from being my usual self and hating every new card ever printed, I reread the card. My bad. It's only one of the sickest cards ever printed. I'd get 4x, but it'll probably be banned...Still, just as good cards skyrocket in price these days, I suppose I'll be picking up 4x @ the prerelease. Even for 20 a pop, it may be worth it...Are they preselling on Ebay yet? If so, any extremely high prices yet?

Pce,

--DC

(Btw 4eak: I like your sign-off )

[jegger]

This is the list I'm testing. I dismantle FT to build TES with the new card. TES is more adapt to this card.

TES 2.0 - an improvement-
by jegger

4x polluted delta
1x bloodsained mire
1x underground sea
1x volcanic island
1x badlands
1x island
1x swamp
4x LED
4x dark ritual
4x lotus petal
4x chrome mox
4x rite of flame
3x cabal ritual
2x SSG

4x brainstorm
3x ponder
4x infernal tutor
3x burning wish
4x duress
2x thoughtseize
4x ad nauseum
1x ToA

Sideboard
1x diminishing returns
1x IGG
1x ToA
1x EtW
1x thoughtseize
1x shattering spree
1x pyroclasm
1x hull breach
4x vexing shusher
3x hurkyl's recall

The list needs many work, but from my testing it's very good.

I need only 5 mana + ad nauseum FTW usually. If my opponent plays Extirpate,mage,... I have plan B, C, D with burning wish for EtW or IGG or diminishing. I cut all higher CC cost cards so except a ToA and 4x ad nauseum, the entire deck CC is max 2 (except 2 SSG) so usually I can repeat the process with ad nauseum a minimum of 6 times, but often 12-15 times.

For the low CC, I try in SB 3 hurkyl instead of classic Shatering Spree against Trini & Chalice. I use only 1 Spree like a solution in g1.

Only 3 color for a more stable manabase with fetch for a more optimized brainstorm. I don't see a real need of orim. Yes orim goes around Stifle and Snare,...but if I succeed to play ad nauseum I can protect the ToA with discard effect or to play double ToA.

I have some problems against burns and goyf sligh if I haven't a fast win, but many others machup are a bye, thanks also to the possibility to do the first ad nauseum in opponent's EOT, and then another in my turn.

I presume this card has a short life.

[Bryant Cook]

I don't like that list at all. Honestly, that deserves it's own thread.

This is along the lines of what I was thinking....

The Decklist
Lands
4 Gemstone Mine
4 City of Brass
1 Undiscovered Paradise
1 Forbidden Orchard

Creatures
2 Simian Spirit Guide

Spells
4 Orim’s Chant
4 Dark Ritual
4 Rite of Flame
4 Lion’s Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Burning Wish
4 Brainstorm
3 Ponder
4 Chrome Mox
3 Ad Nauseum
2 Cabal Ritual
1 Diminishing Returns
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Empty the Warrens

SB:1 Diminishing Returns
SB:1 Ill-Gotten Gains
SB:1 Cleanfall
SB:1 Tendrils of Agony
SB:1 Empty the Warrens
SB:1 Grapeshot
SB:3 Pyroblast
SB:3 Shattering Spree
SB:3 Vexing Shusher

[BreathWeapon]

I don't see a point to Ill Gotten Gains and Diminishing Returns, Infernal Tutor -> Ad Nauseum is better than Infernal Tutor -> Ill Gotten Gains since it circumvents FoW recursion and while Diminishing Returns costs less it draws you into fewer cards and draws them into disruption.

1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Empty the Warrens
4 Ad Nauseum
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Burning Wish
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 (Disruption)
4 Dark Ritual
4 Rite of Flame
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Chrome Mox
4 City of Brass
4 Gemstone Mine
2 Glimmer Void

If they Meddling Mage Ad Nauseum, you can't just tutor for Empty the Warrens or wish for Diminishing Returns.

IGG and Returns got side lined, IMO.

[thefreakaccident]

I think that the card should just fit itself into the place of diminishing returns in the MD, and simply do what Bryant has already done, shave some numbers to fit it in...


I do not think that cuttning the loop is the right way to go, as it is a very good storm engine.


Do you guys think this card is too good?


I think it may make combo decks better, but I do not think that many MUs will change dramatically.

[rsaunder]

Breathweapon, the 4 disruption in your list should, without a doubt, be 4 orim's chant.

It strikes me that Ad Nauseum is very much an analog to DDay in new FT. Basically a bomb that fairly well makes obsilete the previous kill engines. There's no way this card will be banned, it costs fucking 5 mana. A deck has to be essentially built around it to use it effectively, and it just so happens that TES already kinda was.

As far as making matchups better, it'll probably do the same thing as doomsday: decrease your reliance on the graveyard. It still sucks going up against FOW but instead of losing to leyline (yes, i know you have outs, but they're slow) you fear direct damage and have to go off faster before goyf can smash your face a couple times (especially against red thresh, if they have bolt backup.) Yes, I know you should chant before going off and yes I know you should play around bolt, but I'm just saying it opens you up to these problems. Weather or not it will be a big deal remains uncertain.

[Bryant Cook]

I'm unsure if cutting Returns and IGG right off the bat is correct. I want outs without paying my life. If anything I'd cut ETW to add the 4th. You should be able to find a Tendrils/Grapeshot win without much of a challange now.

[thefreakaccident]

I'm unsure if cutting Returns and IGG right off the bat is correct. I want outs without paying my life. If anything I'd cut ETW to add the 4th. You should be able to find a Tendrils/Grapeshot win without much of a challange now.

I just say cut returns, as you could wish for it, and nauseum fulfills a very similar roll...


Also, it is black, which generally makes it easier to cast...


Igg should stay in until extensive testing says otherwise (although, I would never take the loop out, simply out of preference).

[Bryant Cook]

I just say cut returns, as you could wish for it, and nauseum fulfills a very similar roll...


Also, it is black, which generally makes it easier to cast...


Igg should stay in until extensive testing says otherwise (although, I would never take the loop out, simply out of preference).

I'm currently at school, nowhere near cards, which is why I refuse to cut Returns for the time being. I'd like to have legit testing before cutting a core card of the deck. Although, I can see it happening. If I cut Returns, I'm going to cut ETW too. Leaving one open slot. I'd like to fit 2x Thoughtsieze back in the MD.

[Happy Gilmore]

I would have to agree with much of what has been said, Chant may not be necessary now since you wont be giving them key counterspells back with Iggy. I would most likely cut them from the main, only using them for a wish SB. Either that or run a 3-1 combination with one of the other kill spells. With white no longer being necessary you could very simply run a fetchland manabase. Brainstorm and Ponder get better. And I would more than likely run all 8 1cc discard spells. Basically your looking at a Fetchland tendrils deck plus more red rituals.

[J.V.]

Here is the list I've been testing, its been really good for me but the results may be a little scewed since they have all be MWS games...
// Lands
4 [6E] City of Brass
4 [TSB] Gemstone Mine
1 [VI] Undiscovered Paradise
1 [CHK] Forbidden Orchard

// Creatures
3 [PLC] Simian Spirit Guide

// Spells
4 [CS] Rite of Flame
4 [IA] Dark Ritual
4 [PS] Orim's Chant
4 [IA] Brainstorm
3 [LRW] Ponder
1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
1 [US] Ill-Gotten Gains
4 [JU] Burning Wish
4 [MI] Lion's Eye Diamond
4 [MR] Chrome Mox
4 [TE] Lotus Petal
4 [DIS] Infernal Tutor
3 [TO] Cabal Ritual
3 [ALA] Ad Nauseum

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
SB: 1 [US] Ill-Gotten Gains
SB: 1 [TSP] Empty the Warrens
SB: 1 [6E] Diminishing Returns
SB: 3 [GP] Shattering Spree
SB: 3 [SHM] Vexing Shusher
SB: 1 [CHK] Cleanfall
SB: 3 [IA] Pyroblast
SB: 1 [TSP] Grapeshot

[TeKo]

I think Ill play something like this:

// Lands
1 [CHK] Forbidden Orchard
1 [VI] Undiscovered Paradise
4 [8E] City of Brass
4 [TSB] Gemstone Mine

// Creatures
2/3 [PLC] Simian Spirit Guide

// Spells
4 [MR] Chrome Mox
4 [TE] Lotus Petal
4 [CS] Rite of Flame
4 [TE] Dark Ritual
4 [JU] Burning Wish
4 [PS] Orim's Chant
1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
3 [US] Duress/Seize
3/4 [LRW] Ponder
4 [CST] Brainstorm
4 [MI] Lion's Eye Diamond
4 [DIS] Infernal Tutor
1 [TSP] Empty the Warrens
3 [UNH] "Ach! Hans, Run!" / Ad N

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
SB: 1 [TSP] Empty the Warrens
SB: 1 [US] Ill-Gotten Gains
SB: 1 [AL] Diminishing Returns
SB: 3 [IA] Pyroblast
SB: 3 [SHM] Vexing Shusher
SB: 3 [GP] Shattering Spree
SB: 1 [10E] Pyroclasm
SB: 1 [CHK] Cleanfall

Maybe +1 IGG Main, because you need no additional Tutor.