[Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

[Rood]

I would vouch that we're talking about the same crap from two months ago because that same crap is still doing fantastic, and winning tournaments. I really don't see why we need new cards in the deck if the old ones still do amazingly well vs. the meta. I mean, I'm all for testing new cards, but if the new set didn't give us much, why worry over it?

QFT, there really hasn't been any new material with DS to work with outside of Relic really =/.

[BKclassic]

I think one of my problems with this deck is that I suck at sideboarding, any help would be appreciated.

MB: 60
6 Fetch
3 Trop
2 Volc
3 Island
4 Factory
3 Waste

3 Naught
4 Goyf
2 Mage

4 Stifle
3 Spell Snare
1 T-Bind
3 Daze
3 CB
4 FoW

2 EE

2 Top
4 B-storm
4 Standstill

SB: 15
2 Pyroblast
3 Hydroblast
2 K Grip
2 Firespout
2 Magus of the Moon
1 Needle
2 Tormod's Crypt
1 Relic of Progenitus

Firstly, I expect Ichorid is going to be running Needle from now on since Chalice won't be able to stop Relic, so I think a split between the two is going to be best.

Its pretty obvious when to cut Dazes/Snares for Blasts and when to cut EE for Needle, and against decks were you board out CB or Standstill to fit in Firespout and Grip, but I can't figure out what to cut for Magus, Grip and Firespout against matchups where CB and Still stay in.

For example against Survival
-1 EE, +1 Needle
-2 Daze, +2 Grip
Seems like a good place to start, but I have no idea what to cut for Firespout, and I think 1 Relic is going to be solid here.

Against Thresh:
-2 Daze/Snare for +2 Pyroblast
-1 EE, +1 Relic (if this is actually good)
Don't know what to cut for Magus, and if Grip and Needle are good , I am really lost.

Against ITF and Landstill
-2 Daze/Snare for +2 Pyroblast
-1 EE/+1 Needle
Against Still, I would probably just do -4 Standstill, +2 Grip, +2 Magus, but against ITF I think Still is pretty solid, but so are Magus and Grip there.

Evagreen/Sui/Homebrew
-2 Standstill, +2 Firespout
-1 EE/+1 Needle (if needed)
This seems the most reasonable, I am pretty sure I want all the counters.


The rest I am reasonably sure of:
Dragonstompy:
-3 CB/+3 Hydroblast
+2 Grip/-2 Standstill
+2 Firespout/-2 Standstill

The Rock
-1 EE/+1 Needle
-2 Daze/Snare/+2 Firespout (obviously not if its more like Tombstone, probably Magus instead)

Belcher
-3 Counterbalance/+3 Blue Elemental Blast
-1 Top/+1 Needle
-1 Top/+1 Firespout

TES/Fetchland Tendrils
-2 Spell Snare/+2 Pyroblast

Ichorid
-2 CB/+2 Crypt
-1 CB/+1 Relic
-2 Standstill/+2 Firespout
-2 Standstill/+2 Pyroblast
-2 Spell Snare/+2 Magus

Goyf Sligh:
-3 Spell Snare/+3 Hydroblast
-1 Standstill/+1 Needle

[J.V.]

Evagreen/Sui/Homebrew
-2 Standstill, +2 Firespout
-1 EE/+1 Needle (if needed)
This seems the most reasonable, I am pretty sure I want all the counters.


The rest I am reasonably sure of:
Dragonstompy:
-3 CB/+3 Hydroblast
+2 Grip/-2 Standstill
+2 Firespout/-2 Standstill

Belcher
-3 Counterbalance/+3 Blue Elemental Blast
-1 Top/+1 Needle
-1 Top/+1 Firespout

TES/Fetchland Tendrils
-2 Spell Snare/+2 Hydroblast

I'm currently writing a paper so I don't really have time go over all of the side strategies, but here are a few real quickly:
Eva Green etc:
-1 E.E.
-1 Daze
+2 Firespout

Dragon Stompy:
-3 Counterbalance
-3 Spell Snare
-1 Tarmogoyf
-1 Sensei's Divining Top
+3 Hyrdoblast
+2 Firespout
+2 Krosan Grip
+1 Pithing Needle

Belcher:
-2 Phyrexian Dreadnought
-2 Spell Snare
+3 Hydroblast
+1 Pithing Needle

T.E.S.:
-2 Phyrexian Dreadnought
-1 Engineered Explosive
-1 Tarmogoyf
+3 Hydroblast
+1 Pithing Needle

I'll do the rest of them later.

[Maagler]

Belcher:
-2 Phyrexian Dreadnought
-2 Spell Snare
+3 Hydroblast
+1 Pithing Needle

T.E.S.:
-2 Phyrexian Dreadnought
-1 Engineered Explosive
-1 Tarmogoyf
+3 Hydroblast
+1 Pithing Needle

Why are you siding out the noughts? I would think that you would want to get one out quick so you can race them if at all possible.

[J.V.]

Why are you siding out the noughts? I would think that you would want to get one out quick so you can race them if at all possible.

You don't need nought if you establish control against either deck they literally cannot win, 1 factory will go the distance. And in the case of Ugr you also have tarmogoyf.

[BKclassic]

T.E.S.:
-2 Phyrexian Dreadnought
-1 Engineered Explosive
-1 Tarmogoyf
+3 Hydroblast
+1 Pithing Needle
.

Are you sure about no Pyroblast/REB? Hitting their set up spells seems better than hitting Rite of Flame (I wrote Hydroblast in my plan originally but I meant Pyroblast).

[J.V.]

Are you sure about no Pyroblast/REB? Hitting their set up spells seems better than hitting Rite of Flame (I wrote Hydroblast in my plan originally but I meant Pyroblast).

No you need Hydroblast because of Vexing Shusher.

[Maagler]

You don't need nought if you establish control against either deck they literally cannot win, 1 factory will go the distance. And in the case of Ugr you also have tarmogoyf.

Ok that makes sense. What are people's thoughts on threads of disloyalty? has It become an obsolete choice? With the amount of goyfs and Bobs running around I would think it to be a bigger sideboard option.

[crazyroundman]

Ok that makes sense, what are people's thoughts on threads? has It become obsolete? With the amount of goyfs and Bobs running around I would think it to be a bigger sideboard choice.

I'm pretty sure that he was referring to the combo match. So I really don't understand your suggestion of Threads.

Anyway, while looking through the lists from recent events, I really like Goyf in Dreadstill. Like, a lot. Is there an optomized URg list that I could get my hands on?

[Omega]

Just wanted to share you one of my concern.

I went to a tournament with URB list and got completly dominated by opponents. I came to the conclusion that Nought and Factories alone are not enough. A countered stifle/ destroyed nought is a huge card disadvantage.

I think green should be a standard for this deck. Its my opinion

Robert

[J.V.]

I'm pretty sure that he was referring to the combo match. So I really don't understand your suggestion of Threads.

Anyway, while looking through the lists from recent events, I really like Goyf in Dreadstill. Like, a lot. Is there an optomized URg list that I could get my hands on?

This is a fairly optimized list (I still change a few cards around tournament to tournament because I'm like that, but yeah...)
Lands:21-22
4 Mishra's Factory
3 Wasteland
3 Polluted Delta
2-3 Flooded Strand
3 Tropical Island
2 Volcanic Island
4 Island

Creatures:10
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Phyrexian Dreadnought
3 Trinket Mage

Noncreature Spells:28-29
4 Force of Will
4 Stifle
4 Standstill
4 Brainstorm
3-4 Daze
3 Counterbalance
2 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Trickbind
0-1 Relic of Progenitus

Choose 2 from the 4th Daze, Relic, and the 3rd Flooded Strand

Sideboard:15
3 Blue Elemental Blast
3 Red Elemental Blast
3 Krosan Grip
2-3 Tormod's Crypt
2 Firespout
1-2 Pithing Needle

If Relic is main then 2 Crypts and a 2nd Needle.

[Maagler]

I'm pretty sure that he was referring to the combo match. So I really don't understand your suggestion of Threads.

Anyway, while looking through the lists from recent events, I really like Goyf in Dreadstill. Like, a lot. Is there an optomized URg list that I could get my hands on?

No I was changing gears a little bit. I meant as a general sideboards choice.

[Reagens]

As an alternative to J.V. I am testing his list with the following changes

21 land
- 1 trinket mage
+ 1 crucible of worlds
3 daze
+ 2 spell snare
- 1 relic of progenitus

I might consider relic of progenitus in the future, but as of now I consider it to be a sideboard option.

[The_Red_Panda]

Just wanted to share you one of my concern.

I went to a tournament with URB list and got completly dominated by opponents. I came to the conclusion that Nought and Factories alone are not enough. A countered stifle/ destroyed nought is a huge card disadvantage.

I think green should be a standard for this deck. Its my opinion

Robert

Cough *tarmogoyf* Cough.

[DragoFireheart]

If I am casting Thoughtseize against a Dreadstill player, and I see a Dreadnought and a Stifle in his hand, which one do I make him discard?

[Bahamuth]

If I am casting Thoughtseize against a Dreadstill player, and I see a Dreadnought and a Stifle in his hand, which one do I make him discard?

Most list only play a single Trickbind, so I would take the Stifle. Dreadnought is dead without Stifle, but Stifle isn't dead without Dreadnought.

[Nihil Credo]

Also Trinket Mage = Phyrexian Dreadnought 5-7.

[Enigma]

I'm currently trying Echoing Truth MD in a UGr version and I really like it. It answer a problem I had against lists with big fat creatures as Tombstalker and Countryside Crusher. Against Tombs, I bounce it and if there's any cards in graveyard remaining, I use Tormod to be sure the player can't recast it somehow soon.

When Countryside Crusher is in play and the player cast Devastating dreams, boucing the big fat paysant is kind of soothing.

I cut Spell snare to put this in in 3x copies.

Here is my list:


// Lands
3 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
4 Island
3 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Factory
2 Volcanic Island
2 Tropical Island

// Creatures
3 Phyrexian Dreadnought
3 Trinket Mage
4 Tarmogoyf

// Spells
4 Brainstorm
4 Standstill
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
1 Trickbind
4 Stifle
3 Echoing Truth
3 Counterbalance

// Artifacts
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Engineered Explosives

// Sideboard
SB: 3 Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 2 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 2 Firespout
SB: 2 Krosan Grip
SB: 1 Ancient Grudge
SB: 2 Magus of the Moon
SB: 1 Chill
SB: 1 Propaganda


Notice that I'm a 61 cards fan.

To speak about the Sideboard, I tried Magus against 43 Lands, Survival Advantage, Pox & Aggro loam and pretty liked the result.

On an other note: What you think about the MU vs EvaGreen? I find it pretty 50/50 and hard.

[J.V.]

On an other note: What you think about the MU vs EvaGreen? I find it pretty 50/50 and hard.

50/50 against suicide is about accurate, they can simply disrupt you into oblivion and you never recover, but they lose to CB/T and have trouble answering Dreadnought in time.
Also on the note of Maindeck E-Truth I tried it for a while and liked it, ultimately it was cut for more Counters, but it is solid in the maindeck.

[Rood]

50/50 against suicide is about accurate, they can simply disrupt you into oblivion and you never recover, but they lose to CB/T and have trouble answering Dreadnought in time.
Also on the note of Maindeck E-Truth I tried it for a while and liked it, ultimately it was cut for more Counters, but it is solid in the maindeck.

Agreed...Sui-black of any form is tough. But the thing is if you can just land a CB you will normally win =/ that card owns the deck so hard. Standstill also hurts it incredible bad as well. It all depends on which variant you play against.